[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-11-22 Thread Leslie
Have to admit, I'd not seen the BE shifters all the way out w/ the brakes before; I like it, though. Might try that on my next bike. On the Ram, what I did was put the first part of the housing from the BE shifter under the tape, right to where it starts to arc up to the brake levers; I didn't

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-11-21 Thread doug peterson
After just reading this thread, it sounds like running the shift cables under the tape all the way up to the bar tops is routine. My wife's new-to-her-just yesterday 47 cm Atlantis has the cables routed in this fashion it does look great, very clean. However, the 8 speed Shimano indexed bar

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-11-21 Thread Michael_S
Doug I wrap my cables under the tape on all my bikes. They shift great. I woulds replace the cables and housing and change to a better cassette. You can get a NOS HG-70 for $30 on Ebay in a 11-30 8 speed. I've always had trouble with the lower priced cassettes shifting well. ~Mike~` On Nov 21,

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-28 Thread CycloFiend
on 10/25/10 1:47 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-26 Thread Lynne Fitz
The cables on one bike are routed up the handlebars and out the center. Does make it challenging to open my Acorn Bag. On the other bike, they pop out near the bottom. No Acorn Bag interference. Just sayin' Lynne F On Oct 25, 5:42 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Patrick: If

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Kevin: I always route them up to the stem... Personally I like the look much better. It usually requires extra long cables (I use tandem cables, and I cut my own housing to length). So check your length and make sure you've got enough cable to route it this way; otherwise you'll have to get

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Peter Pesce
I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look of the cables that come off the drops. One thing to keep in mind, depending on your circumstances, is how they route to the down tube stops. Sometimes the transition directly to the stop can be tight. On Oct 25, 1:40 am, Kevin

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Michael_S
same here... tandem cables and such. works great. I also like to route cable on front of bar as it gives a flatter platform on top which I find more comfortable. ~Mike~ On Oct 25, 6:29 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I did this on my Sam, as I don't care for the flying whiskers look

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Do you feel any additional friction so routing the cables? If not, I may have to do this on the one bike with BES -- not that it's a huge deal, but my fingers tend to get very slightly tangled in the housing as it escapes from the tape just for'ard of the shifter pods (I ride this bike in the

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Travis
I prefer this method as well - it's cleaner and it shifts fine. It does require extra cable though. I use inner cable meant for a tandem to reach my rear derailleur. It's fine to have the cables exit your bar top at the same place. People who use Campy or Sram brake/shift levers do this all the

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Peter Pesce
Thanks Travis, now I know I'm not totally out to lunch! My cables run under the bar tops at about the same 4:00 position, and fall right under the bend in my knuckles when I grip the bar there - it almost feels MORE ergonomic than a plain round bar. I do the same cross-over, but I did mine in

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Philip Williamson
Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? I think I did need tandem cables to make the distance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5114851886/ Pretty straightforward setup. I like the clean lines, and the Bontrager has top-tube stops, so

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Weren't derailer cables always routed to the bar, before Rivendell pioneered the new way? 'the new way'? No. shifter cables came from the shifters (either downtube, barend, thumbies or brifters) and made an

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Travis
I'm glad I could help, Peter. I was worried about the friction where the bare cables cross myself, but I've had one bike built like that for a couple of years and haven't noticed any wear whatsoever. For cables I used a Jagwire kit, which supplies plenty of housing length. I bought a separate

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Erik
Peter, IMO crossing the cables is a much better option than making housing bends tighter. Those tighter housing bends also often lead to rubbing on the frame and/or eventual failure of the housing at the end. I've never seen an issue with cables rubbing against each other. -Erik On Oct 25,

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread William
The cross in front also has its trade offs. The cables themselves do rub on the underside of the downtube when they cross back over to get into the right BB guide slot. Also that might cause trouble for your third bottle cage bosses, if you have them. On Oct 25, 12:17 pm, Erik

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread james black
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:47, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. Another idea for the brave among you, which I recently used on my newly built Nishiki GBUB knockoff porteur: switch the left and right shifters, that is, put the front shifter on the

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:50 -0700, james black wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:47, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs. Another idea for the brave among you, which I recently used on my newly built Nishiki GBUB knockoff porteur: switch the left

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Jeremy Till
I think the stories goes (I read it either from GP or jobst brandt, can't remember which) that prior to SIS compression-less housing coming along, most der. housing was floppy, wound stuff that wouldn't support the weight of a long arch from shifter to downtube, so you had to route it up under the

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Peter Pesce
Hmmm. I might try the crossed cables, seeing how it's a simple switch. A little helicopter tape on the downtube should protect the breathe-on- it-and-it-scratches paint! On Oct 25, 4:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The cross in front also has its trade offs.  The cables themselves do

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread james black
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:56, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Don't you find that awfully confusing to use? It does feel weird, but it's also my first time using half-step and my only bike with bar-end shifters, so it would feel weird anyway, and I have no reason to doubt that I'm

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:03 -0700, james black wrote: It does feel weird, but it's also my first time using half-step and my only bike with bar-end shifters, so it would feel weird anyway, and that means you stand at least a chance of learning it without conflicts. Are all your other bikes

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Kevin Turinsky
Thanks everyone. Travis' explanation really describes it well. And Seth's and Phillip's photos really helped. I already have the tandem cables and housing on order, so as soon as they arrive, I'll get crackin' on the Atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 15:27 -0700, james black wrote: Perversely, I also have the rear brake caliper mounted backwards on the front side of the seatstays, in order to get the Tubus Fly rack to install without conflicting with the brake. If three things on the bike are backwards, is that

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread rob markwardt
You should get a rapid rise rear dérailleur and one of those old suntour fronts that shift backwards. That'll really give the brain a workout. On Oct 25, 3:03 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 13:56, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Don't you find that

[RBW] Re: Bar-end Cable Routing?

2010-10-25 Thread Dave Craig
Patrick: If you're running the cable housing outside of the tape, there's really no reason to have any part of it taped. My BE shifter cable housing runs from the pods to the DT cable stops completely outside of the tape. That would buy you a little more tangle-free area on the drops. Dave On