Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
That is precisely why I gave riding time rather than distance. There is a huge difference between 25 miles depending on if it is: mountainous single track, rolling desert dirt roads, or paved roads. Then adding in rider differences, and the equation spreads out even more. Regardless, if anyone

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-26 Thread Jan Heine
My water consumption depends very much on the temperature. In the early morning, I often ride 50+ miles on half a bottle. (I usually start rides well-hydrated.) If it's very hot and dry, I may drink a bottle every 10 miles. Listening to my body is key to completing challenging rides. I also

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-26 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm not going to limit myself-- I'm going to do the Oregon Outback. And I'd say that there is, not a 5% chance, but a 100% chance, that at some point I'll be very uncomfortable. But I'm going to carry extra water. I'd rather arrive back with water to spare than ride 14 miles in the desert into a

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-26 Thread Jan Heine
Anne, You don't sound like somebody who is limiting herself. I was thinking about the people who write to me asking how I can ride these rides and not be scared. The precautions you plan to take are good ones. It's one thing to follow your dream, and an entirely different thing to be

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-25 Thread Jan Heine
The 40 miles per bottle were on soft gravel in daytime, which resulted in more work per mile than the stretch from Fort Rock to Prineville, most of which is on harder gravel or even pavement. Plus, I did half of that stretch at night, with cooler temperatures. If I was concerned, I'd put a

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Jan's point is excellent, and I'll say that most of us, regardless of conditions, could likely bike for five or more hours if need be without water. I've run in 100˚F+ Utah desert for over eight hours at high summer with 44 oz of water. I have biked 5+ hours being completely out of water. Yes,

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-25 Thread ted
I am lucky enough that pretty much nothing to do with my cycling is driven by need. I am way past needs and well into preferences. No doubt I could ride for 5+ hours without water without dying, but I rather think I would rather not. Ride without water that is. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-25 Thread ted
Jan, do most of the riders you know consume water at a similar rate? On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:07:35 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: The 40 miles per bottle were on soft gravel in daytime, which resulted in more work per mile than the stretch from Fort Rock to Prineville, most of which is

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-25 Thread Anne Paulson
One time when I was touring up in far northern California I started off the day with three full water bottles. Come mid-afternoon, they were empty, but I figured I only had 12-14 flattish miles, so I didn't go down to the Feather River to treat water. Stupid move. I had 14 miles through the desert

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-24 Thread Jan Heine
I think the longest stretch without water was about 40 miles, maybe a bit more during the night. I think the organizers carried a lot of water because they camped in places with no water. If you want to cook dinner, you'll need some extra water. I carried three large cycling water bottles.

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-24 Thread Anne Paulson
The organizers assert: Water is very limited in several sections of the route. There are points of interest (POI) on the GPS link above that note the last reliable water for the most significant sections, the longest of which is ~80 miles. There are several other sections of 50+ miles without

Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-24 Thread Jan Heine
There are a bunch of campgrounds about 10 miles or so before Prineville in the canyon of the Crooked River. There were tons of people camping there, and I would be very surprised if they didn't have water. There were some farms about half-way between Fort Rock and Prineville. Assuming they

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-24 Thread ted
Thanks for weighing in with your experience Jan. Sounds like you got 40 miles per bottle, so with 3 bottles you had at least 50% margin for an 80 mile gap between water. No worries, pretty simple. I presume warmer sunnier conditions would reduce your miles per bottle, and would eat into that

[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

2014-11-22 Thread Deacon Patrick
I carry three 28 oz bottles in my Hunqapillars bottle cages, and one empty 100oz. water bladder which I've cut the outbound hose very short on. I've done sections of various trails that have a day or two between water, and am very thankful I don't go through very much compared with most folks.