Re: [RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

2021-03-06 Thread Den John
If you don't want to cough up for a book, I found the Barnett Manual section on wheel building excellent. The system for spoke lacing is really clear and systematic. I've probably built 10 or so sets of wheels, and with the BM I never got into trouble with lacing up. You should be able to find

Re: [RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

2021-03-05 Thread Mike Godwin
Yep, build your own. I'm somewhere north of 100 wheel builds (not pairs), for friends and family, and self. I've used Brandt's method and over time picked up a truing stand, tension meter (both Park), and dishing tool (Minoura). My first wheels were done using the bike for a truing stand, and

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2021-03-04 Thread R Shannon
It is indeed Jim Langley. Agree with Garth on how well the information is presented. Best, Rich in ATL (Building a set of wheels right now) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Pancake wrote: > > Is this the video you were referring to? >

[RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

2021-03-04 Thread Pancake
Is this the video you were referring to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8 Jim Langley (not Land)? On Monday, 19 October 2020 at 10:48:25 UTC-7 Garth wrote: > > > > You'll be alright Steven. The difference to me between wheels built > by me and wheels built by a dedicated

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2020-10-24 Thread Chris in NZ
Absolutely build your own wheels. I was sceptical a few years ago but was encouraged by a workmate to do it. Now have several sets with 1000s of kilometres on them. I highly recommend Roger Musson’s ebook on wheel building. Includes guides on making your own tools and excellent building

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2020-10-24 Thread Mike Godwin
I love reading this thread. Its great. My first wheelbuild was for my dirtbike, going from an 18 inch to 21 inch front wheel. Rode the heck out of it. IIRC cross 2, MC shop calculated the spoke length, stock drum brake hub laced to an Akront rim. I think I was 14 or 15 at the time. About 15

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2020-10-22 Thread lconley
Another great thing about building your own wheels is that you can build with used parts. I have developed quite a stash of used spokes and nipples and rims, less so with hubs - I usually have a purpose with the hubs, which is what results in the leftover rims, etc. I had a set of Peter White

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2020-10-22 Thread masmojo
> > I heartily encourage all wheel building efforts; I've built over 30 wheels > and when it comes to bike builds now I just assume I'll be building wheels! > I was just working on a wheel this evening and I thought there's like a hundred pointers I could give you, but it's all a bit much for

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2020-10-21 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Yes! Rich is my hero and he builds all my wheels now, but back in the day I read Jobst Brandt and built 2 wheelsets and an additional front dyno wheel. Hard to go wrong with a front wheel, so I say definitely go for it. I went to my LBS and asked them to use their spoke calculator and they bought

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2020-10-21 Thread John A. Bennett
As long as Rich Lesnik walks the earth, I will not build my own wheels. John in Portland, Ore. On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 8:25:58 AM UTC-7 Steven Seelig wrote: > So with COVID and all, I've decided that now is the time to do stuff that > I haven't ever done before. Learning to speak

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2020-10-21 Thread RichS
Was not aware of the Jim Langley wheel building tutorial. Looks good. Garth and Paul, thank you for that reference. My go to support has reliably come from Jobst's and Sheldon's direction. Will soon be embarking on a new 650b wheel build so the Langley video looks like a useful addition to my

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2020-10-20 Thread Drew Saunders
Many years ago, I decided to try my hand at building my own wheels. Armed with a copy of Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel," rims and spokes from Wheelsmith, I did manage to make a build a pair of wheels. The front was OK (until I crashed and bent it beyond repair), the rear wasn't a very

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2020-10-20 Thread Garth
Oh my yes Paul ! It was my error one of those deals where the hands don't quite follow the image of mind ! I like his easy going manner and such. On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote: > > Garth, did you mean Jim Langley for the YouTube wheel

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2020-10-20 Thread tuolumne bikes
Steven, the list members seem to have a hard time following instructions. Don't build your own wheels. I have built two sets of wheels using the bikes as truing stands with blue masking tape across the seat stays/fork as a guide. Make sharpie marks on the tape as needed, and flip the wheels. I

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2020-10-20 Thread R. Alexis
Steven, Go for it! I have built, rebuilt and trued up and redished many a wheel. Built my first wheelset using Wilderness Trail Bikes Classic Grease Guard freewheel hubs with Mavic 217, 26" rims for my 1991 Bridgestone MB-0(Zip) frameset. I worked at a bike shop at the time so I had The

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2020-10-20 Thread Justin
Just poking in to say that this is a great post. I've been wanting to build my first wheelset for a couple of years, and after trying to save a buck buying two 2nd hand wheelsets from the Owners Bunch, both of which had issues right from the start I done with that mess. I just need to breakdown

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2020-10-19 Thread Daniel M
Piling on in favor of your building your own wheel. I bought Jobst Brandt's book and read it cover to cover twice before building my own wheel. The first half of the book is theory, the second is practice. You could easily skip straight to the instructions, and if you follow them carefully you

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2020-10-19 Thread Nick Payne
It's not that difficult, and the only tool you need to try it is a spoke key. I've been building my own wheels for more than 40 years, and for or the first 20 of those years, I didn't bother with a truing stand or a tensiometer - I built the wheels in the frame, using a piece of card taped

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2020-10-19 Thread ascpgh
If you have the desire and time necessary to familiarize yourself with the process, determine the correct parts, materials and a quality nipple wrench. Go for it. Missteps will be taken as lessons rather than waste. If not that committed, it can be a frustration. I built many of my own wheels

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2020-10-19 Thread Todd G.
Absolutely worth the money. You can easily thread the nipple on a few threads with this thing and pretty much eliminate the chance of having to fish a nipple out of your rim. Sometimes they come out easy, other times no so much. On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

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2020-10-19 Thread Teague Scott
The wheel building section in the "library" on the Wheel Fanatyk site provides lots of excellent tips: https://www.wheelfanatyk.com/wheelbuilding-library/ I built my most recent set of wheels after cogitating over many of the tips and guidelines laid out there and I'm happy as could be. I did

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2020-10-19 Thread lconley
This reminded me - the EVT (Efficient Velo Tools) Mulfinger Nipple Loading Tool - best $13 I ever spent. Sure beats those wooden toothpicks that I had been using. Laing On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:31:49 PM UTC-4, Todd G. wrote: > > > > So I’m probably beating the proverbial “dead horse”

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2020-10-19 Thread Ed Carolipio
No, we're not going to talk you out of building your own wheels. :) One hint I haven't seen is, if you haven't done it before, re-tension an existing wheel for practice. Best done for machine built wheels since that exercise makes them a bit stronger so there's some utility that comes out of

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2020-10-19 Thread Todd G.
So I’m probably beating the proverbial “dead horse” here, but I don’t think there is a more valuable skill for one to have than to have the ability to build and maintain your own wheels. Once you do it few times, it really starts to make sense. You will begin to see, understand and recognize

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2020-10-19 Thread velomann
I would never try to talk someone out of building their own wheels. It's one of the most useful and satisfying skills I've acquired, and each build gets easier. There's an intense satisfaction to rolling - and rolling and rolling - on your own wheels. Each of mine has held up wonderfully. I

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2020-10-19 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Wheel building is deeply empowering. First one I did was a simple swap to a new rim - AASHTA. (TL;DR = tape the rims together so the holes match and "walk" the hub over one spoke set at a time. That kind of demystified the crossing and such). First time full-from-scratch build went pretty

Re: [RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

2020-10-19 Thread Nat Lichten
Do it! I built my first (and so far only) wheelset about a year ago. I bought Roger Musson’s ebook and found it fairly straightforward if I followed the instructions and took my time. I used a cheap, flimsy stand off craigslist which worked fine. I would invest in a dishing gauge if I were to do

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2020-10-19 Thread Jeffrey Arita
Steven, Definitely do it! If you are meticulous and patient, then you should be fine. I have used Roger Musson's book along with his spoke length calculator - both have worked very, very well for me [16 wheel builds later]. I learned because my wife and I were about to embark on the

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2020-10-19 Thread Garth
You'll be alright Steven. The difference to me between wheels built by me and wheels built by a dedicated professional is theirs are within tighter tolerances and they don't ever need touched, at least mine haven't and I have a 20 year old pair from Joe Young. They also do it much

Re: [RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

2020-10-19 Thread Patrick Moore
I used the frame as my stand. There was no caliper, so I hooked my hand around the seatstay and used my thumbnail as the truing gauge. Again, the wheel ended up true, and stayed that way with no maintenance for a couple of thousand miles. I was surprised at the results as well as at the ease of

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2020-10-19 Thread lconley
I built wheels for years with the sidepull brakes on the bike as the truing stand. Reversed the brake pads and let the acorn nut heads be the side to side, rubber banded a small combination wrench across the brake pads to do the up and down. It can be done - did it that way for decades. A few

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2020-10-19 Thread George Schick
I agree with the comments here and I'd say go ahead and build it, too. The first couple of wheels I built by myself (dating back to the late 70's) were disasters - forgot to pay attention to placing the valve stem hole in the rim where the spokes are wide apart, ordered the wrong length spokes

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2020-10-19 Thread Collin A
I am about to start a wheel rebuild (for the first time) by replacing the existing rims with a lighter rim of a similar ERD. Should be pretty straight forward, but...I'll let you know how it goes, ha! Also interested in other's points of view on wheel builds as well. Cheers, Collin in Sac On