[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Update. I have three times in the log book now. The first one was on 700C wheels and I felt lousy, so I expect that I'll ignore that 2:09:45 time. The second ride confirmed that the first will probably get tagged an outlier. I did the same ~26 mile hilly stretch through the east bay hills in 1:

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

To add to the scientificness of it all, flip a coin to find out what you are going to ride each day Not unlike this great trial in the British Medical Journal! http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c6801.full On Feb 28, 4:18 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > Yes I do, and a Roadeo too. And I love them

Re: [RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Yes I do, and a Roadeo too. And I love them all. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:17 AM, doug peterson wrote: > FWIW, list member Anne has a pair of Atlantises all to herself! -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

If there is minimal stop/start, and if the road is not glassy smooth, my money is on the Hetres. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

For what it's worth, I did the 35 mile commute to work today and now have a time logged in the spreadsheet. I expect this is one we will throw out as an outlier because I felt like garbage. It was on the 700C wheels, but I don't attribute my feeling lousy and riding slow to anything but me. If I

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

I like to go fast, the faster the better. Riv + fat tire = fast and comfortable. This quasi scientific experiment is awesome. On Feb 25, 2:34 pm, Peter Pesce wrote: "If we all like riding so much, why are we > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?" > -- You received

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

I think Patrick's comments are right on. I rode a metric century today on Paris-Motos (mounted on 32 spoke Dyads laced to Phil cassette hubs). They felt fine cruising along solo, but I sure didn't feel like trying to wind them up to jump on one of the pacelines that passed me. Had I been on my c

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

For sure the desired outcome for me is that the two wheelsets both feel great but different. If that's the outcome then I'll feel like I have two bikes in one. On Feb 26, 10:46 am, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Feb 26, 11:54 am, William wrote: > > > Patrick, thanks for the comments.  Does this mean

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

On Feb 26, 11:54 am, William wrote: > Patrick, thanks for the comments.  Does this mean that you believe my > 700C setup will be faster?  Or does it mean that you believe that > whichever wheelset is lighter will be faster?  My test will be a non- > stop two hour stretch on mediocre pavement, free

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

FWIW, list member Anne has a pair of Atlantises all to herself! We got lucky on my wife's bike. Another list member noticed for sale & let me know. We weren't even bike shopping & bought it from someone who was moving & had to get rid of things in a hurry. Her loss was our gain, as they say. d

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

The last frame I built, still at the painter's, is built for either 650b or 700c's. Can't wait to get it back and built up so I can ride! It fits 650x42's as well as 700x28's without any problem (fenders would be a tight fit with 700x28's), I do need to swap brake calipers when I swap wheel size,

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Both of you own an Atlantis? Sheesh, Life is Good! On Feb 26, 9:56 am, doug peterson wrote: > Since this is a "non-scientific tire test" I'll throw in some data to > confuse the issue further.  My wife is a small, light person who's > ridden for a long time on an aluminum Trek with 700c wheels &

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Since this is a "non-scientific tire test" I'll throw in some data to confuse the issue further. My wife is a small, light person who's ridden for a long time on an aluminum Trek with 700c wheels & Paselas marked 28 mm, measure 26 mm at 80 psi. On her 26" wheeled Atlantis, I installed some 1.25"

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Patrick, thanks for the comments. Does this mean that you believe my 700C setup will be faster? Or does it mean that you believe that whichever wheelset is lighter will be faster? My test will be a non- stop two hour stretch on mediocre pavement, free of mass sprints. Does that mean you think th

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

On Feb 25, 2:56 pm, William wrote:   > A lot of comfort is bike fit, though, and the 700x28 wheels won't change > any of my fit points on the bike, so maybe I'll feel just as good. > Who knows?   Depends on the roads, no? most of the long rides I do happen to include a lot of dirt - I really

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Two things - Grant often says things like 'my fastest time up the local mountain was set in sandals,' or 'the times for x and y were within..." To me, that says he's timing himself. A man of science. And... when Dan Boxer was the first rider into the Oregon Manifest checkpoint on his fat red Hetres

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Triangia! http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/trangia-cooksets-big-and-smaller/52-049 On Feb 25, 5:32 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > On topic:  Tagua nuts! > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, William wrote: > > Tarantulas. > > > On Feb

Re: [RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

On topic: Tagua nuts! On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, William wrote: > Tarantulas. > > On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" > wrote: > > textiles? > > > > On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Pete I didn't detect any dismissiveness or contentiousness in your post above, nor did I intend any defensiveness in my reply, so it's me who should apologize if you got that from my reply. I appreciated your post. On Feb 25, 5:05 pm, Peter Pesce wrote: > William > Apologies. I didn't intent my

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

William Apologies. I didn't intent my tone to be dismissive or in any way contentious. I think it's an interesting experiment and tried to specifically cite how speed could really matter in your brevet riding and commute. So I understand it matters to you more than it may to me. I'm really not a se

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

My guess is the 700s will seem faster but the 650s will actually be quicker. The difficulty will be that you know which set's on the bike. I can't imagine there being a significant difference in speed but I can see how you could detect a significant difference in comfort. I think the comfort-bei

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Tarantulas. On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" wrote: > textiles? > > On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk > > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B > > bike even more. >

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

textiles? On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B > bike even more. > After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike > for at least a few y

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B bike even more. After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B experiments of m

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps meet some time limit in an organized ride. And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (a

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Pete I'm a scientist and an engineer, by profession and by DNA. I'm wired to be curious. I'm wired to tinker and to question. I'm not obsessed with increasing speed, nor am I obsessed to get the ride over with. On brevets, when you ride fat 650B tires, you'll get a number of people on 700c road

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B, just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few measurements to see that it wouldn'

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Ummmwhat? On Feb 25, 10:30 am, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Thing is, to make my 700x50's as fast as 700x23's I need to air the 700x50's > up to the same harsh ride.  I can never get the 700x23's as comfortable > though as I would pinch flat.   > Take into account that tiny tires usually go with

Re: [RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

Thing is, to make my 700x50's as fast as 700x23's I need to air the 700x50's up to the same harsh ride. I can never get the 700x23's as comfortable though as I would pinch flat. Take into account that tiny tires usually go with tiny wheels and spin weight does make a difference. My opinion i

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

William you're too funny... I'll make an unscientific guess that you'll be ever so slightly faster on the 700 skinnies, but not nearly enough to offset the comfort and stylishness of the Hetres. Please post pictures of both... BB On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William wrote: > OK so I made a sort of self-