Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread Don Compton
Patrick, Propper fit on a bike is unique to each rider. I used to ride a 56ctc Italian frame with an 11cm Cinelli stem. Not anymore. Bars at whatever height should fit the individual rider. AMEN On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 5:48:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I also like my bars low en

Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread WETH
And I, my back and neck, are most comfortable with mine well above the saddle. I can ride 70+ enjoyable and comfortable miles. 3 inches with noodles: https://flic.kr/p/QMCfXy 4-6 inches with albatross bars: https://flic.kr/p/FwKLsx and https://flic.kr/p/PQGs7R All the best, Erl -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread Patrick Moore
I also like my bars low enough; certainly not high above the saddle. My road bikes -- the 2 Riv customs -- are set up identically with the bar about 1" below saddle. That's up from 3" below saddle up to my mid 50s, and *that's* up from 6" below saddle when I knew no better than to have my bar 6" be

Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread Clayton.sf
I feel like setting bar height in isolation is likely silly. I have 4 bicycles and each has a different bar height. The bike's geometry and purpose dictate bar height and bar shape to a degree. On my brevet bike I run drop bars below seat with a longish stem On my Cheviot I run them above sadd

Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread Eric Norris
If I’m doing more than puttering down to the corner store, I need to have my bars at or slightly below the top of the seat. I’ve tried them higher, and found it to be quite uncomfortable after a few miles. Perhaps I’ll change over time, but for now this still works for me. YMMV. --Eric Norris c

[RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-13 Thread Michael Hechmer
I still ride with bars 0-2cm below the saddle. I find that when I get above the saddle it becomes more difficult to stand up and rock the bike. I wouldn't do that on a long climb but still find it a good way for maintaining pace over shorter rises. Michael On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 11:

[RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-12 Thread Don Compton
They're set 1cm above the saddle. Also, the bars are Soma Highway One's. Short reach and very shallow drop. On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 10:05:24 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote: > > Don > > How much further are your bars above the saddle?? I have my bars 15mm > above the saddle. > > John

[RBW] Re: bar height

2017-02-11 Thread John Hawrylak
Don How much further are your bars above the saddle?? I have my bars 15mm above the saddle. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 11:55:52 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote: > I have finally given in to Grant's bar height philosophy. Please forgive > me for my past transgre

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-27 Thread rperks
The midge bars are MUCH wider feeling and in actuall measure. I have them and use them on some set ups, but find the drops short, I have big hands. The number of hand positions is somewhat limited too, due to the shape. I find myself always coming back to the Nitto dirt drop. Downside to that i

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-27 Thread Rene Sterental
All valuable advice. Does anyone have any insight comparing the OnOne Midge bars to the Noodle bars? I think the Moustache bars coming out for now. René On 2/27/10, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Here is one more recommendation for a saddle position that, as Steve said, > allows you to hold your hands s

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Here is one more recommendation for a saddle position that, as Steve said, allows you to hold your hands slightly above the bar, without undue strain, while pedaling. The new Sam Hillborne is so set up that I can do that while in the hooks, and while I did start a numb left palm yesterday, as expec

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-27 Thread Angus
ing my core might help as > well... > > René > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Joe Bartoe wrote: > > I haven't been following the thread, but I've found that higher bars, for > > me, cause hand and wrist pain. Keeping the bars about 2 inches lower than >

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-26 Thread thirty-six
My problems mostly occurred with padded tape. Using plastic or cotton tape gave me a better hand fit and the occurance of hand pain is now much lessened. Using thin tape allows me to grip the bars without using my palms, on the tops. I prefer this grip in absence of any pain anyway. On 26 Feb,

RE: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-26 Thread Frederick, Steve
Frederick, East Lansing MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Rene Sterental Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:41 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don'

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-26 Thread Rene Sterental
Thanks for pointing that out, Steve. I'm going to check those as well. René On 2/26/10, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 08:41 -0800, Rene Sterental wrote: >> Thanks everybody for their feedback and suggestions. I don't get any >> numbness or tingling; it's just pain on the palm f

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 08:41 -0800, Rene Sterental wrote: > Thanks everybody for their feedback and suggestions. I don't get any > numbness or tingling; it's just pain on the palm from the pressure of > the bar. I do have to keep moving my hands, but in general no matter > how I move them, whichever

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-26 Thread Rene Sterental
following the thread, but I've found that higher bars, for > me, cause hand and wrist pain. Keeping the bars about 2 inches lower than > saddle height keeps me happy. > > Just another data point, > > Joe > > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:21:07 -0800 > > Sub

RE: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-25 Thread Joe Bartoe
I haven't been following the thread, but I've found that higher bars, for me, cause hand and wrist pain. Keeping the bars about 2 inches lower than saddle height keeps me happy. Just another data point, Joe > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:21:07 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: Bar heig

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Bill M.
'Butt back' as so many have recommended may help take weight off of your hands, but may also require an extra degree of flexibility if it makes you stretch too far forward to meet the bars. I have been there and (after getting a detailed professional bike fitting) wound up moving back forward some

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread EricP
Gotta agree with Steve here. On my recently sold Atlantis, set up with Albatross bars, did have the occasional bout of hand pain. Rene, I feel for you. Hand pain (numbness) made me give up riding for many years. Even now, it will flare up. The Rivendell summer gloves seem to be evenly padded a

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/24/10 10:16 AM, muckum at toddjeffr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Selle Anatomica designer has some very good adjustment guidelines to > follow- > Basically, saddle should sit so when seated and crank parallel with > ground-edge of knee cap is directly above pedal spindle. This is known as KOPS

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread William
+1 on sliding the seat back as far as possible. If you have a Brooks and a seatpost with vaguely 'normal' setback, I'd urge you to try a seatpost with more setback. The S-83 appears to have a fair amount. Velo Orange sells a $50 one that was specifically designed to get more setback on short-rail

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:20 -0800, Jim M. wrote: > If you can't find any positions that are comfortable, you need better > advice than you can get off the internet. If it's as much as a problem > as it sounds, your bicycling position may alleviate discomfort but > it's not going to fix the problem.

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Jim M.
If you can't find any positions that are comfortable, you need better advice than you can get off the internet. If it's as much as a problem as it sounds, your bicycling position may alleviate discomfort but it's not going to fix the problem. Taking most of the weight off by using Albatross bars ma

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Bill Connell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Jeremy Till > wrote: > > Aesthetics (and Grant's writing on the Noodle) tells us that perfectly > > level tops are the best "neutral" position but i find that > > biomechanically i'm still sliding forward o

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Connell
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Jeremy Till wrote: > Aesthetics (and Grant's writing on the Noodle) tells us that perfectly > level tops are the best "neutral" position but i find that > biomechanically i'm still sliding forward on a level bar, that only > when it's slanted back do my hands feel

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread muckum
Selle Anatomica designer has some very good adjustment guidelines to follow- Basically, saddle should sit so when seated and crank parallel with ground-edge of knee cap is directly above pedal spindle. With this position, stem can be adjusted/ changed to put tip of your nose approx. over the center

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread CycloFiend
Also, IME _a slight_ rotation of the bars to change the angles can make a huge difference in wrist issues. Seems especially true with Moustache bars. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Ph

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Jeremy Till
I too struggled a bit with hand pain on traditional drop bars last year after exclusively riding flared drops (on-one midges) for a while. In the end, the thing that "fixed" it for me was rotating the whole bar backwards (so that the end of the bar points downwards, roughly towards the rear hub).

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Bruce
or too stiff keys as also contributing to wrist/hand issues. Tailwinds From: Roy Yates To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 9:11:50 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do... Besides

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Roy Yates
Besides what everyone else's good advice, it can only help to do crunches to build the strength of your abdominal core. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:13 AM, Rene Sterental wrote: > > Can anybody offer more insight into what I might try doing to

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Dave Craig
On Feb 24, 12:13 am, Rene Sterental wrote: > I can't find a position where I will ride with no pain in my hands. Wow, I'll bet this is frustrating for you. I was going to advise that you ditch the M-bars as well, but you indicate that the AHH with noodles causes hand pain as well. Other posters

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Ron Farnsworth
What I think works well is to rubber cement an extra layer of leather across the palm of some cycling gloves to spread out the pressure. Most of the so called padding in cycling gloves is a joke. --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Tim McNamara wrote: From: Tim McNamara Subject: [RBW] Re: Bar height and

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:13 AM, Rene Sterental wrote: Can anybody offer more insight into what I might try doing to deal with the pain in my hands? Hand *pain* when riding is fairly unusual IME. Focal numbness is common enough that there is a name for it: cyclist's palsy or handlebar pals

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread rperks
I concur with the other rreplies so far as well. I have ridden a few bars and prefer the greater flair in the dorps of a dirt drop style bar, helps me achieve the "neutral position". The key is finding that position for you. I also prefer the added thicknes of Soma's thick and zesty tape. It is

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
First thing I'd try is sliding the saddle backwards as far as it will go, and maybe angle the nose up a bit if it's not already. Then I'd ditch the mbars at my earliest convenience and get a nice, wide noodle bar. If it doesn't bother your knees, try riding in higher gears. The more force you apply

[RBW] Re: Bar height and hand pain... don't know what else to do...

2010-02-24 Thread Earl Grey
Can you be more specific about where the pain is? What size tires at what pressures are you riding? I find that shifting my hands around a lot helps (I don't get pain, but numbness sometimes). Try changing your grip every few minutes. Different gloves that place the padding in different places may