Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

the whole splay argument is why I like Merrells on platforms - you can't do that in narrow shoes inside toeclips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an em

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Could have saved yourself a lot of time, Deacon: "I am Joe's Foot" https://archive.org/stream/IAmJoesBody-J.D.Ratcliffe/joebody_djvu.txt (scroll almost to the bottom for The Foot) Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Deacon Pa

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Totally understand. That's how I arrived at the core muscle conclusion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegr

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Sweet! And, ha! (Laughing at myself). The thought actually took up very little of the ride, but expressing the concepts took a lot longer and came out more analytical than the ride was. That happens to me a lot. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 12:03:36 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc w

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

My ride wasn't so analytical. Chased my friends on their tandem for 30 mi in my toeclips. Kept up the whole way, and rode higher gears and generally faster than my norm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from t

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

On todays ride I focused on my feet and how they function on the pedal without any support save their own structure. Observations of my experience: - The foot is dynamic, with multiple mechanisms interacting to form a complex machine wondrously engineered. - Focusing on one mechanism of

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

This discussion is going in the direction of what learn in yoga class. I think that's why I like it, it overlaps and lends it self to bicycling in a very good way. JohnS On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:43:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Absolutely! Every motion we make should start with

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Absolutely! Every motion we make should start with our core, getting refined as it flows outward. Power is in the core. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > one thing is for sure, if you want a boost in your pedaling, it's not in > the balls o

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

one thing is for sure, if you want a boost in your pedaling, it's not in the balls of your feet. It's in your core muscles. If you're leaning on the bars, stop. Bend your elbows and support yourself with your core muscles. No matter where your feet are, you will have a surge in pedal power

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Aahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha ! On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Nothing is incomplete because completeness is complete, and therefore > specs cannot be spec'd incompletely, in having completed themselves > completely

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Thanks for that refreshing lucidity, Mark. On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Nothing is incomplete because completeness is complete, and therefore > specs cannot be spec'd incompletely, in having completed themselve

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Nothing is incomplete because completeness is complete, and therefore specs cannot be spec'd incompletely, in having completed themselves completely, just as everything actual actually is, in all dimensions. One is not limited because God, who made manufactures, is limitless, therefore that way

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

"Rules are for prisoners and prisons for rulers" No rules, no prisoners no rulers no prisons ! How many ways are there to ride a bike ? To walk , to stand, to eat, to breathe , to do anything ? Endless !! Yee Haw ride 'em cowboy ! If God, perfection, intended one

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

I'm also going to change my plea. I'm not unorthodox, I'm merely unconventional. Isn't that what we do here, shatter conventions? You can't pigeonhole us, right? We take the best of every technology and use what works, for comfort, speed, efficiency, and just ride. No, it's not a cruiser,

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

But I'm also doing this on long-distance bikes, not beach cruisers. Probably unorthodox and I get strange looks from the pack at water stops. And plenty spirited rides. And in Merrells, not clipless cycling shoes. (I do wear cycling shoes on the drop-bar road bike, exclusively, and still lik

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with alternate foot positions. If you like riding with the center of your foot over the pedal spindle on one of your bikes, that's great for you. In 2016, it's unorthodox for spirited riding, and common for beach cruisers. You are right that I never do ov

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

and a 3rd bike with riding position in between the other two but it also benefits from long pedals - the Grip Kings are in this photo, I swapped them for the VP001, but now they have have narrower Blackspire, whi

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

But see, Eric, we got the infomercial foot. An arch is great for stability while standing, but we also need to run across the savanna to persistence hunt our Kudu. Our foot is not just an arch, but an arch that becomes a windlass mechanism for storing and returning energy. Grin. I'm not sure how

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Bill, I'm not recommending that you do anything. But here are two different bikes with two different riding positions. up high over the pedals, strongly leaning forward (on core muscles, hopefully), riding

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Ron, I get it that you are recommending that I move my foot about two inches forward on my pedals, meaning that I'd need a much different saddle height and maybe even a different frame size between riding with SPDs vs platform pedals. I understand you are recommending it for my own good, and I

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Well, the point is if you place your arch firmly on the pedal the way kids everywhere ride bikes with rubber pedals & no retention (i.e., using the edge of your shoe's heel to keep the foot located) you are going to be loading your arch right square in the middle, under the keystone in your ill

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Bill did you learn that way, or did you not have a choice? Flat pedals give you a choice of what shoes you wear. If you were riding clipless, I promise there were shanks in your shoes that were supporting your arches - they're built into the shoes. . This isn't my vendor, we came to the sam

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Eric, I've seen you pedalling a bicycle before. Your heel was not pressing directly on the pedal. Your foot to pedal relationship was "normal". Have you changed? Did you have to lower your saddle a lot when you shifted your foot a few inches forward? On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 1:56:34 PM U

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Arches support the load by distributing the forces to the ends of the arch, not the middle. I suspect feet (which are a natural arch structure) operate on the same principle. In the case of the foot, the two "ends" are the heel and the ball of the foot. In the same vein, this is why saddles l

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

and who walks loading their arch? Sometimes it's hard to tell April 1 from any other, ordinary day around here... On 04/01/2016 04:43 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: We all learned to position our foot over the pedal like this:

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

We all learned to position our foot over the pedal like this: Your flat-pedal vendor wants us to move that big toe knuckle all the way forward to the leading edge of our huge flat platform pedals. I might be i

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

yeah, and heels have been around just as long, too - you guys never step on your heels, you just walk on the balls of your feet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

Re: [RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

I'll weigh in with an observation that bicycles weren't around when the human foot evolved. The specific needs of cycling might call for support ("binding"?) that wasn't needed when Man started walking. --Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy > On Apr 1, 2016

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

"but if foot muscles are weakened by wearing modern foot binding devices, that efficiency decreases because the foot is not strong enough to function as God intended" Preach, Deacon! I fear that arch support could become the next helmet debate, but I am with you on this. Minimalist shoes feel f

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Deac- I'm board with your observations. I'd try out these pedals if I hadn't just made a commitment to a much larger structure in which to house all my bike goodies. -J On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 7:06:41 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Sweet! And, hey! They're getting there and I love that

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

I can see the benefits of a long & narrow pedal in concept, I like the shape of the Grip Kings, but it seems to me that the benefits could only truly be realized if these pedals were sold in sizes to match shoe sizes. Otherwise, a one-size-fits-all pedal is going to be too long for small feet,

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

I can't speak for these specific pedals, but I rode Grip Kings for more than a year and spent almost the entire past year on Raceface Atlas - both oversquare pedals. Also VP-001 for a couple of years, which are exactly square. And 40 years on cage pedals. Right now my go-fast bike has Nuevo

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

I would be interested in hearing anyone's experience with these pedals. I have issues with Morton's Neuroma and I can't decide if the forward foot placement of this pedal would put more pressure on the neuroma and make it worse or the fully supported arch would take enough pressure off the neu

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Sweet! And, hey! They're getting there and I love that they are applying running form analysis to pedaling. Looking at what they say on their website (http://pedalinginnovations.com)... This is absolutely true when running: "You only push through the ball of the foot when your foot needs to bre

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Okay Ron, that explains why it seems narrow to me. When I look at a pedal width I assume it's the actual total width , from inside of the crank arm to the outside edge of the platform. The specs would incomplete and limited if manufacturers would list the platform width only without listing the

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

ps, I started looking at the width part very seriously. I rode my upright cross frame with the Atlas pedals almost exclusively for most of a year, just because I love it and can't leave it alone. On New Year's Eve day, I decided to take out my old Raleigh with the VP-001. Charging up a switch

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

Garth, those are platform dimensions. The axle bolt extension of course adds to it. Most new platform pedals have very short extension from the crank. If you look at the Grip Kings, they have a very long cantilevered axle, but still end up being closer to the crank than some of the really wi

[RBW] Re: flat pedals, thin pedals, long pedals

These pedals sound interesting Ron , do you mean the 95mm width is (mounted) from the inside of the crank arm to the outside of the pedal, and the 128mm length the actual usable portion (of each side) of the total listed 143mm(both sides) ? On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 6:55:10 AM UTC-4,