Late to the party. Love you guys.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Mike wrote:
> It should say "just tell me to shut up."
>
> We did it! 150! Group hug!
>
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:44:13 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
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>> And Steve, if we're ever riding together on a brevet and i ask you how
>>
I, for one, welcome our new, non-computer-using, randonneuring overlords...
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Mike wrote:
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>> Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in unfamiliar
>> territory when you don't have any idea of your mileage.
>
>
> I haven't used a computer for randonneu
It should say "just tell me to shut up."
We did it! 150! Group hug!
On Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:44:13 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
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> And Steve, if we're ever riding together on a brevet and i ask you how
> many miles until the next turn or control, just telle to shut up.
>
> --mike
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some people just have good observational skills and spot various clues that
all together make them good at finding their way... I prefer not to use
computers or GPS as they become sort of a crutch you rely on.
~mike
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miles until the next turn or control, just telle to shut up.
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On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:30 -0700, Mike wrote:
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> As for computers, you want to use one? Go for it. But it's not
> essential. And I see folks perseverating over GPS files and mileage on
> computers. You have a cue sheet, look up from your handlebars and
> follow it. It's amazing to think that any
We're gonna hit 150 for sure. I can feel it!
As for computers, you want to use one? Go for it. But it's not essential.
And I see folks perseverating over GPS files and mileage on computers. You
have a cue sheet, look up from your handlebars and follow it. It's amazing
to think that anyone could
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 08:00 -0700, Mike wrote:
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> Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in
> unfamiliar territory when you don't have any idea of your
> mileage.
>
>
> I haven't used a computer for randonneuring in years and haven't had
> any pr
On Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:00:26 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
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> Folks, I know we can do it. We can take this thread to 150 post if
> everyone pitches in. Let's do it!
Here's to 150-posted threads!
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> Sure, only it can be very hard to follow a cue sheet in unfamiliar
> territory when you don't have any idea of your mileage.
I haven't used a computer for randonneuring in years and haven't had any
problem.
Folks, I know we can do it. We can take this thread to 150 post if everyone
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 20:19 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
> would be better off if they worried less about
> speed and performance. (I once met at a restroom who was desperately
> trying to get her bike computer to work again. It seemed that without
> the computer, she could not continue her ride. I help
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 14:47 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Jan noted CNC'd cranks from the '80s and '90s, and mentioned Topline.
> I can vouch for the delicacy of Topline Superlights! I broke one at
> the crank-bolt hole by torquing the bolt a wee bit too much.
>
> OTOH, the friend of my brother wh
Jan noted CNC'd cranks from the '80s and '90s, and mentioned Topline.
I can vouch for the delicacy of Topline Superlights! I broke one at
the crank-bolt hole by torquing the bolt a wee bit too much.
OTOH, the friend of my brother who, at 6'4" and 250 lb at race weight
in his 20s (later, in early m
Whatta waste! I woulda ate that. Is it still there?
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Oy, this conversation is frustrating to read. I like Jan's blog but to say
that those are "experiments" or "scientific" is not really all that
accurate, take for example this page with speed testing for car tires
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/upgradetire/econ/TireUpgradeII.html a
study l
I would be interested in recommendations of another cycling periodical that
has a more rigorous approach. Most bike mags I've read give a cursory
glorifying review of all bikes/components, and are certainly no more than
quick opinion pieces. I've found BQ to be better for me in that Jan is an
ent
And if memory serves I might have seen the term in Bicycle Guide back in the
80's
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On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ryan Watson wrote:
> Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but...
> Long before I ever heard the name Jan Heine or the term "planing," It was
> Grant Peterse
Personally I hope does do quite well on each bike. That's his right.
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On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 22:28 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
>> But I also suspect that Grant doesn't care - he
>> makes the bikes he makes not because they are th
Well said Erik. Sometimes we get caught up in specialization within
bicycling, which should be trivial.Of course, we are reading the RBWOB
list, which is yet another specialization. Sorry to hear about the
Chevron refinery fire and its fallout. I rode my bike to your neck of the
woo
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 21:42 -0700, ted wrote:
> Certainly fads or styles or whatever have ebbed and flowed over
> whether or not a noodly frame is undesirable, or how stiff is stiff
> enough, or if stiff is harsh and uncomfortable, or whatever, but I
> think Jan is fairly unique in claiming categor
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 22:28 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
> But I also suspect that Grant doesn't care - he
> makes the bikes he makes not because they are the most profitable, but
> because they are the bikes he loves.
Further evidence is the way he keeps redesigning lugs. That's a huge
amount of mone
> erik, who had to close his windows because the chevron refinery caught
fire last night and is extremely frustrated by the give me
> convenience or give me death crowd.
Agree with your car sentiments whole-heartedly (car free myself for eight
years this month). I think that Chevron refinery
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 05:33 -0700, ted wrote:
> I think Jan asserts that stiffer is slower, which is objectively
> measurable.
I would like to see a citation for that statement.
I believe I have read almost everything Jan has published in the last 10
years (except for the Competition Bicycles boo
the only dichotomy worth talking about in bicycling are those who ride
their bikes instead of driving a car, and those who don't.
beyond that, do what you will nobody cares.
before that, your decisions harm other people and force those without the
choice to inhale your pollution.
erik, who had t
> Ancien/anciennes can correct me here, but i'm pretty sure bag drops are
commonly used at PBP and there is no penalty for this, nor is
> it considered cheating. In my experience, "unsupported" isn't a very
precise word in randonneuring.
Well, would not be the first time I misunderstood som
Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but...
Long before I ever heard the name Jan Heine or the term "planing," It was Grant
Petersen who first brought the phenomenon to my attention.
The 1992 Bridgestone catalog has an article on p. 34 explaining why they
preferred skinny tubing on their
On Monday, August 6, 2012 4:42:16 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
>
> My reference was intended to be PBP exclusively - I see the way I wrote
> that is not clear. As I understand the PBP rules, bag drops are not
> allowed.
>
Ancien/anciennes can correct me here, but i'm pretty sure bag drops are
> I notice the same thing on any charity ride or a lot of brevets. It's Ti
or CF up front. Still takes a good motor of course.
Ti bike are almost always custom, meaning whoever is riding that probably
spends a lot of time on the bike given the time and money invested.
Moreover, while Ti is l
Well said. The part of these tests that is labeled " conclusions" should be,
instead, "perceptions".
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On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:02 AM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think the key point here is that you (or me or Jan or Sheldon) are making
> judgement calls about what 'better'
I think the key point here is that you (or me or Jan or Sheldon) are making
judgement calls about what 'better' means. 'Better' is not a scientific
measurement. It's an opinion. Stiffer is measurable. It's objective. That
doesn't mean it is 'better' or 'worse' for anyone but the person choosing.
I notice the same thing on any charity ride or a lot of brevets. It's Ti or CF
up front. Still takes a good motor of course.
For example, my 64cm Atlantis, w/ GB 30c tires, Berthoud fenders, VO front
rack, Brooks B 17, and Berthoud bag weighs in at almost 37 lbs.
I can take my 67cm Seven Alari
Personally I like that it comes down to a personal preference. What doesn't
work for me may be perfect for you. Your tight size 12 shoe may be like a
slipper on my feet.
The numbers game is the perfect, scientific way to measure, say, the rolling
resistance of tires. That doesn't mean you can'
Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when he was
first thinking about the issue, IIRC. He borrowed the term from boating.
One problem is that what's stiff to Jan and Mark might be noodly to me, since I
am probably 60 lbs heavier and 6" taller than they are. My "fastes
On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:21 -0700, ted wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't say a complete kook, but a bit kooky maybe. Certainly he
>> even describes himself a well outside of mainstream thought on these
>> topics. I suspect that "planing" is only mostly
So what is the obsession with stiffer tubing, in all seriousness? The only
bike I can remember flexing under me so much I noticed it was my Look
KG96 and it was CF which is supposedly super stiff, but it was more that I
was afraid at 250lbs of destroying it rather than being bothered by the
flexine
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:21 -0700, ted wrote:
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> I wouldn't say a complete kook, but a bit kooky maybe. Certainly he
> even describes himself a well outside of mainstream thought on these
> topics. I suspect that "planing" is only mostly settled in the view of
> those who believe Jan (which I dou
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 18:14 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> I too am a big Jan Heine admirer. He is a very bike smart guy, but he
> is confused about two things, not evident in the posted blog. First,
> riding fast and riding far are two different things. Both can be fun,
> but as you combine th
On Aug 6, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cloud wrote:
> I find some of the various modern Constructeur bikes, built with
> French components from the 1960-1970's (e.g. Mafac brakes, Simplex
> derailleurs, T.A. or Rene Herse modern manufacture cranks), to be a
> little strange. Richard Sachs once characte
On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:51 AM, robert zeidler wrote:
> Or the endless opinion that fatter tires are every bit as fast as
> skinny tires. No way. More comfortable? Absolutely. Better on dirt?
> For sure. Not faster.
This is measurable. Avocet did testing on this in the 80s, and others have
mor
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 13:48 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
> It is a big race with thousands or participants and spectators.
> Believe the organization is the French equiavalent of a not for
> profit. Enforcement is not easy under any circumstances - nigh
> impossible in PBP. And of course the idea i
> last i checked, bag drops and "support" at controls are within the rules
My reference was intended to be PBP exclusively - I see the way I wrote
that is not clear. As I understand the PBP rules, bag drops are not
allowed.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:39:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 12:29 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
> Jan explained quite clearly his is a small operation. To make the
> Rene Herse to the best of standards he believes in he had a mold
> created to forge the cranks. Making molds is very expensive. Jan
> opted to have them made in what he belie
I meant to defend the 171mm crank design/sizing and only mention that I was
want for a more clear explanation of why the size could still work given to
those people who had commented in the past "I ride 175mm cranks these wont
work for my other bike", rather than a defense of the manufacturing/desi
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:44:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water bottle
> changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
> actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. Everything you
> need f
> It seems to me that his decision to create a net forged replica of the
famous Rene Herse crank in the traditional 171mm size is
> defended by claiming that longer cranks are not needed because it is only
a 2% difference (or so, don't have the quote in front of me
> but i think we have all rea
I don't want to take this thread much more OT than it already is. There
are a few things that I wanted to chime in on:
I found Rivendell and the BOB philosophy by accident - experimenting with
my own bike fit and style. In a sense I pre-screened many of the Rivendell
ideals - find a bike that d
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:00 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
> Richard Sachs once characterized the modern
> infatuation with the French Constructeur era bike, as the end-point of
> touring bike design, as being in the vein of Civil War enactors.
Yes, that's very amusing, but one should also notice that
I linked the tubing spec for the AHH to the comments section. I am curious
if anyone reads it and what the ensuing discussion might be. I appreciate
what Jan does for cycling and agree with quite a bit of what he says
conceptually. As with any of the "bike personalites" I read what they
think,
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:51 -0400, robert zeidler wrote:
> Or the endless opinion that fatter tires are every bit as fast as
> skinny tires. No way. More comfortable? Absolutely. Better on dirt?
> For sure. Not faster. If that were the case, does anyone believe
> that the entire bicycle, and ti
Well said Jim.
I think BQ is an excellent publication, particularly the accounts of
rides/events.
I enjoy the product reviews-sometimes. But the rest? Sometimes I don't know.
He seems to have gotten away from the "everything not made by the
classic French builders-which by the way you probably
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 07:41 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> Jan is a sort of like a famous wine connoisseur. If he says Wine X is
> good but Wine Y is swill, and you try both and find your preferences
> are the exact opposite, then his opinion is worthless to you, and you
> shouldn'
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 20:46 -0700, Michael_S wrote:
> As much as I enjoy the technical content of BQ I often struggle with
> Jan's "strong negative opinions" with most bikes/parts that are
> competition for his products or what he rides.
If you are insinuating Jan disses products because they com
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 01:56 -0700, Matt Beebe wrote:
> Bicycles are open, while modern automobiles are black, disposable
> boxes.
How long do most riders keep the same bicycle? Looking at folks I know
in the bike clubs I belong to, I get the feeling people keep their cars
longer than their bicycl
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 18:30 -0700, RonaTD wrote:
> Steve says there won't be wheel swaps, but her frame will have a lot
> of clearance. If one of her cohorts bangs a wheel out of true, she'll
> be able to put it in her frame and they can all ride home :-)
And she'll have Shimano 10 and the frie
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 16:04 -0700, ted wrote:
> Perhaps it could go to 650b in the smaller sizes (like on the Hillsen)
> but I fear they wouldn't sell that many. The Rodeo is targeted at club
> racer riding, and for that it sorta makes sense to have the same size
> wheels as everybody else.
Well,
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