Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Adam said: >Another reason for adopting RDA: new catalogers coming out of library=20 >schools will very likely be taught RDA and not AACR2 ... This assumes that retiring cataloguers will be replaced by library school graduates, and that library school graduates will be taught the practicalities o

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread Simpson, Sarah
That is a very good point, thank you (though, I have to admit, I'm not that hopeful I'll get to hire a professional cataloger when mine leave!) Thank you again! Sarah -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-B

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread Laurence Creider
Good point about library schools, although I expect that most new catalogers will be taught about RDA through a manual and not be prepared to use it directly. AACR2 expertise will die out, of course, but how many of us will be replaced by anyone? One can take one of the abundant used copies o

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Sarah, Another reason for adopting RDA: new catalogers coming out of library schools will very likely be taught RDA and not AACR2 once RDA becomes the de facto national standard. Eventually expertise in AACR2 will die out, just as expertise in AACR1 has. There are plenty of pre-AACR2 records

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
> -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Weinheimer Jim > Sent: March 17, 2011 7:19 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft" . > > Compare this wi

Re: [RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread Kuhagen, Judith
You'd use second indicator of "2" only when the relationship was "Contains." So, for other relationships between resources, you'd need to decide if you were going to use an authorized access point (rather than an identifier or a description) to make the relationship with the follow-on decision

Re: [RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread runjuliet
And "contains" isn't the only relationship you can describe with the 7XX#i, correct? I don't have access to the RDA Toolkit, but I believe I've seen examples with phrases like "draft of (work)" and "parody of (work)" in the $i. So with a second indicator "2", the added entry would mean and/or be di

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Mike Tribby wrote: Should cost of access and the possibility of universal access have been concerns? I think they should have been-- but they were not. To perhaps put it crassly: theoretical purity was a higher concern than access. It's hard to blame the co-publishers very much since none of th

Re: [RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread Elizabeth O'Keefe
I'm wondering whether it would be desirable to encode the FRBR category terms in a separate subfield, rather than include them in the same subfield ($i) as the type of relationship.  This would allow suppression of the FRBR terms from public displays, if desired, while still allowing for behind

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Sarah Simpson said: >Reasons for adopting RDA: >· If the national libraries adopt RDA, it could become the de >facto cataloging standard, and not making the change would mean we >would need to spend a great deal more time modifying the records we >get from OCLC or other utilities, and ma

Re: [RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread Kuhagen, Judith
And, of course, I meant second indicator, not second delimiter. Apologies, Judy -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kuhagen, Judith Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:07 AM To: RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Thoughts re: 336-338 for a streaming video file

2011-03-17 Thread Linda Gonzalez
Thanks to everyone who helped me organize my thoughts on this-- much appreciated. Best regards, Linda Linda M. Gonzalez Professional Development Librarian LYRASIS – West Office linda.gonza...@lyrasis.org 404.892.0943 x2922 720.215.2180 Cell LYRASIS Headquarters 1438 West Peachtree Street NW, Su

Re: [RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread Kuhagen, Judith
If this specific RDA relationship is encoded in MARC, subfield $i isn't needed because 2nd delimiter with value "2" indicates the relationship. Judy Kuhagen Policy and Standards Division Library of Congress Washington, D.C. -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Re

[RDA-L] Placement of 7XX$i

2011-03-17 Thread J. McRee Elrod
We have seen RDA test records with both: 700 $iContains (work):$a$t and 700 $a$t$iContains (work). Isn't only the first above correct? (Since the introduction of 245 4h, 246, enhanced 505, and the change in order of 111 conference entry elements, MARC subfields are not always in alphabetical

[RDA-L] What do I tell the administration?

2011-03-17 Thread Simpson, Sarah
I have only a general knowledge of RDA and have been following the discussion the best I can, but without understanding a lot of the more technical side of things. My administrators know almost nothing about RDA, except that they are proposed new cataloging rules. I am trying to come up with s

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Laurence Creider
I suspect that "theoretical purity" was less of a motivation for excluding open access to RDA than revenue streams. As far as I can tell, AACR and AACR2 were cash cows for ALA, guaranteed sellers year after year from the late 1960s well into the 1990s and waning only as library schools dropped

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 17.03.2011 14:30, schrieb Mike Tribby: While I agree entirely with what Bernhard says about what should be done to disseminate RDA if RDA is to be a success, it is not and never has been the intent of the co-publishers to make RDA available for free or anything like free. In fact I daresa

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Mike Tribby
>From Bernhard Eversberg: "As was pointed out in another posting, there's the danger of a digital divide in the cataloging world. This cannot be in the intention of anyone concerned about improved access to library materials. The only way to prevent this, and prevented it must be, is to make th

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
17.03.2011 12:18, Weinheimer Jim: Ultimately, I think it is the lack of a sound and reasonable business case in favor of RDA which is the real problem. This has been brought up over and over again, including in the report of the Working Group. Everyone is just supposed to accept that it makes

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-17 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Laurence Creider wrote: Please do not tell me to consult the workflows; if you are making a cataloging code, the rules should be structured not according to a theoretical model but to facilitate the production of metadata, in other words, the very nitty-gritty contact between any model or rules an