Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Stephen Hearn
t of America's Independent Presses > > mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Mark Ehlert > Sent: Wednesday, Septem

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Tribby
cess [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Mark Ehlert Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ... J. McRee Elrod wrote: > Won't FRBR result in even more unwanted item

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Ehlert
J. McRee Elrod wrote: > Won't FRBR result in even more unwanted item records being displayed? > Will one be able to turn of FRBR display in OPACs?  I don't *need* to > see the record for the Danish original of the murder mystery I want to > read! How would the OPAC know to display only English-la

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
J. McRee Elrod wrote: Jim said: >I remember working on single volume conference publications that >could take days because each one had dozens of individual papers, and >instead of one item, the single volume became 40 or 60 or more >records. Picture a work/expression/manifestation record for ea

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bradley Allen
Jonathan- I need to correct you on one point below: I never suggested that one doesn't need records for WEMs; in fact, my intent in this post was to posit an environment where result sets could be electively reified into explicit records defined by the query, which in turn could have explicit state

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I've written about the set-theoretic view too, also crediting Svenonious: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/frbr-considered-as-set-relationships/ (that one is short and sweet and recommend it) and http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/notes-frbr-wemi-entities-physicality-interchangeabili

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Jim said: >I remember working on single volume conference publications that >could take days because each one had dozens of individual papers, and >instead of one item, the single volume became 40 or 60 or more >records. Picture a work/expression/manifestation record for each paper, and you have

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Bernhard said: >,,, the idea of the "result set" In the past few months databases I search, e.g.: the LC online catalogue, TLC's ITS, Shaw Cable's Movie Central title search, seem to have switched to keyword, resulting in large result sets of irrelevant items which must be looked through for the

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Keach
Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ... Can someone please tell me how to get off of this listserv? Thank you Jo A. Hudson Technical Assistant Logan County Libraries 220 North Ma

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Jo Hudson
and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Bernhard Eversberg Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:16 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ... Weinheimer Jim wrote: > But first of all, liberate works that are

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Weinheimer Jim wrote: But first of all, liberate works that are now incarcerated inside all sorts of "collections" or "multiparts" (whose "workness" is somewhat dubious). Here, the notion of the (physical) "item" is really not the best of concepts, in terms of usability of the catalog, to base

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: For classical music, it is indispensable. Apart from this, I think, one must certainly retain it for prolific authors, difficult though they are to define. LibraryThing, from the outset, had no such notion. Later, however, they realized that some kind of "grouping" was ba

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Weinheimer Jim wrote: I don't know if I agree that the identification of the work has to be done somewhere. Perhaps in some formats (I am thinking primarily of music), it is more important than others, For classical music, it is indispensable. Apart from this, I think, one must certainly retai

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-15 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: It also goes well with the paradigm of all known retrieval systems, based as it is on the idea of the "result set", resulting from a query that uses attributes of various kinds, and all of them can be viewed as attributes of items. Certain combinations of attributes defin

Re: [RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Diane I. Hillmann wrote: I'd like to point those of you interested in the more technical side of discussions on RDA and FRBR to a conversation going on in the public Linked Library Data discussion list, starting here with a message from Karen Coyle: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public

[RDA-L] Interesting conversations about RDA and FRBR ...

2010-09-14 Thread Diane I. Hillmann
Folks: I'd like to point those of you interested in the more technical side of discussions on RDA and FRBR to a conversation going on in the public Linked Library Data discussion list, starting here with a message from Karen Coyle: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Sep/0049.