Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Each microinverter string needs dedicated overcurrent protection. If combining strings on the roof for a single run back to the interconnection point, you need each string to have it's own breaker/fuse. The other option is to run each string back to the interconnection point separately, but for a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread jay peltz
Hi Jason, Always good to get a different view on how to do it. I've always found it easier and cheaper to pull the circuits off the roof to the AC combiner, so my overcurrent is in a different location Jay Peltz power On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread Drake
There are good reasons to want to put AC combiners under modules, but some reasons not to want to. An AC breaker is far more likely to trip than a DC string fuse, due to the surge availability. As a PV system is designed to last a minimum of 25 years, the installer might not be the one to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread jay peltz
Yep they make them http://w3.usa.siemens.com/powerdistribution/us/en/product-portfolio/meter-load-center/Documents/SIE_BR_SOLAR.pdf Jay On Apr 30, 2014, at 6:56 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com wrote: Yeah, #10 wire is pretty cheap, especially when purchased in bulk, as are

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski
​ An AC breaker is far more likely to trip than a DC string fuse I completely disagree. We have never, not once, had to reset a tripped inverter output circuit AC breaker that I know of, but have replaced many dozens of DC string fuses and GFCI fuses in inverters, most of the time for undiagnosed

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread Drake
Inverter ground fault fuses certainly do blow. What is causing your string fuses to go? At 10:17 AM 4/30/2014, you wrote: ​ An AC breaker is far more likely to trip than a DC string fuse I completely disagree. We have never, not once, had to reset a tripped inverter output circuit AC

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Usually it is repairing work of others who miscalculate the required rating. When it gets really cold (that means 0ºF here), we start to get calls with blown fuses. We do have our fair share of unexplained blown string fuses, and I attribute most of those issues to extreme heat in enclosures that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski
690.9(D) is not applicable to the original discussion because we were talking about an Inverter output circuit, not a PV Source or Output circuit.. 690.34 may apply if you call a SolaDeck with breakers a junction box, but I can see that being a stretch in the mind of many. My and Ray's question

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Dave Click
I think 240.24(A)(4) allows the installation of the inverter OCPDs in the SolaDeck hidden under a module. ** *240.24 Location in or on Premises.* ** National Electrical Code 2008 Edition *(A) Accessibility.* Overcurrent devices shall be readily accessible and shall be installed so that the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Bill Hoffer
Dave I agree, in the case of microinverters, you already have a main PV System disconnect at the Load Panel to shut down the system that is readily accesible. I would consider the disconnect on the roof as a supplemental disconnect for the purposes of maintenance by authorized personal that only

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Not just microinverters. This could apply to multiple string inverters with combined output in a suitable panel under a module. That scenario is probably rare, but I have seen it on a commercial flat/low-pitched roof installation. Jason Szumlanski On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Bill Hoffer

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread markf
Any idea what the two silver cylinders in the upper left of the photo are (sitting on top of the battery box)? Hi Bill; The 2014 NEC (coupled with rampant misinterpretation) is accelerating an ever widening gap between those that have code and those that can't afford it. On one side, US

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread Ray Walters
I'm glad everyone is having so much fun with that pic, as scary as it was. We could make a contest out of it: How many code violations can you find in this picture? and let Bill judge the answers. Believe me, there are more pictures, where that came from. Sorry, I do not know what those

Re: [RE-wrenches] Article 690, or The Haves Vs. Have Nots

2014-04-29 Thread jay peltz
Follow up to Bill's point. For Micros I've installed a disconnect on the roof, but never a breaker or fuse Why install a breaker? jay peltz power On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Bill Hoffer wrote: Dave I agree, in the case of microinverters, you already have a main PV System disconnect at