Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Troy Harvey
but it also takes MUCH less time in most cases and can be done much more easily by one service technician. It's not a money maker, but it covers cost in our neck of the woods. How is that possible? I get a lousy $150 dollars from enphase to rip apart half of a array just to get at

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Tump
Yeah I too agree. Bring the techs from Enfizz out put them on a 12/12 pitch roof, 2 stories up and see if they feel adequately compensaited! This has ALWAYS BEEN an issue for this industry. We recommend products, buy the products, without us the manus don't HAVE jobs and we are left trying to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Why would you rip apart an array? We only remove one module in almost every case, replace the WEEBs, replace the inverter, and we're done. If there are more than two rows of modules, you might need to remove an additional module or two, but that takes almost no time. Our steepest roofs here are

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Click
Another option would be to compensate the customer for lost production until you're out there to replace a second inverter. You can credit this against Jason's diagnostic fee idea and/or the $150/unit reimbursement from Enphase. Each unit down is about $30-60/year depending on location. Could

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Dana
: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:52 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius Why would you rip apart an array? We only remove

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-09 Thread Troy Harvey
Why would you rip apart an array? We only remove one module in almost every case, replace the WEEBs, replace the inverter, and we're done. If there are more than two rows of modules, you might need to remove an additional module or two, but that takes almost no time. Our steepest roofs

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-08 Thread Ryan
-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters Message-ID: 1f568bac-8d04-4e09-bc44-9090c147f...@heliocentric.org mailto:1f568bac-8d04-4e09-bc44-9090c147f...@heliocentric.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Since we stopped using micro-inverters due to the high failure rate

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-08 Thread toddcory
We were hired just to install the system by a local firm that designed and sold the system and have had a bear of a time getting paid from anyone. this is why i never touch materials i do not sell, or install designs i did not do. todd On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:57pm, Jesse Dahl

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Jefferson
-wrenches.orgmailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.orgmailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:55 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters What you

[RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Troy Harvey
Since we stopped using micro-inverters due to the high failure rate, network problems, difficultly in replacement – I've been using the power-one inverters a bunch because the dual channels solve most of tricky issues like different roof aspects, shading, and uneven strings. However, they are

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Troy Harvey
7 to 12 kW for residential systems? wow... its hard for me to believe there is not some waste there. I have found that the home owner's target system price point has stayed the same over the years even as prices have fell. So our systems have just gotten bigger to cover more of their loads.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Troy Harvey
Hi Troy, The Sharp Sunvista JH-3500U stopped being produced in 2005ish. Fronius and Kaco may have products with 3 MPPT inputs. Sorry to hear about your trouble with microinverters. I'm guessing those were older units. Our current line of products has had extremely low failure

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I suspect that the early failure rate on the M215 is tiny next to the M190. Most of the M190's that did have failure problems early on failed very soon after installation in my experience. After the initial duds died, the failures on most M190 systems dropped off. I'm not seeing a linear failure

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Chris Mason
What you are asking for is the Sunny Tripower 10/12/15/17 3 phase 2 mppt input inverters, which we are using in the 415V locations but are not available in the US. I don't understand why, they are fantastic units. The units have up to 6 string inputs, string monitoring, built in electronic safety

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Jason, I'm one of the many installers who still won't touch a micro yet. It's not so much that there were failures early on, it's how companies like Enphase HANDLED them. My understanding is that you basically got a replacement inverter and got stuffed for your time and travel. That may have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Jefferson
Mason Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:55 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters What you are asking for is the Sunny Tripower 10/12/15/17 3 phase 2 mppt input inverters, which we are using in the 415V locations but are not available in the US. I don't understand why

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters; Hosed By Fronius

2013-05-07 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Bob-O, Fronius is not good for reimbursement anymore. While they used to be, Fronius has refused to pay for warranty service. Since December, 2012, they have refused to reimburse me for an inverter swap that THEY told me to make. The display had an intermit ant problem. When I swapped out the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Chris Mason
-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Mason *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:55 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters ** ** What you are asking for is the Sunny Tripower 10/12/15/17 3 phase 2 mppt input inverters, which we are using in the 415V locations

[RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread don
trust a company with this kind of warranty service?ThanksDon BarchEnergy Solar Message: 13 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:03:13 -0600 From: Troy Harvey tahar...@heliocentric.org To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters Message-ID: 1f568bac-8d04-4e09

Re: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters

2013-05-07 Thread Jesse Dahl
To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dual Channel Inverters Message-ID: 1f568bac-8d04-4e09-bc44-9090c147f...@heliocentric.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Since we stopped using micro-inverters due to the high failure rate, network problems