Jim said about Kasey unsigning:
"HOO-BLOODY-RAY!"
What did she posibly do to offend you to make you so 'happy' she would
leave?
Or is it just because she pushed you into a corner when she challenged you
over something and you couldn't come up with the facts so you just hoped
she'd leave?!?! I've
Except for the one that photographer from the Age allegedly snapped!
Nobody said both sides were perfect. And both sides should get in trouble
for their behaviour if found inappropriate.
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Sen
You may not have seen one act of violence but I know people who did.
Friends of mine who work in Melbourne as Environmental Lawyers, a School
teacher, nurse and stockbrokers all happened to be witness to some of the
events during this so-called peaceful protest.
Are you telling me they imagined th
A peaceful protest You call throwing urine over police officers and
attacking people peaceful? How many protesters do you know carry around
buckets of urine??? Pre-planned to start trouble by the sounds of things.
The army have a right to be there when such a demonstration gets so out of
hand
I agree with you about everything except I still think he should stand down
for the sake of 'damage control'. Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect
world and people are always going to assume what they like because we have
media. Even if they are certain he didn't do it, they will probably alw
My confused comments are a very personal opinion which I'm allowed to have -
just like the rest of you.
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out that it was a
witch hunt.
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Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2000 11:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: The Canberra Times: Burke calls on ATSIC
chair to stand down while
How could they 'obviously' be political??? Show me what makes you so
certain.
Or do you think Howard paid the 'alleged victim' to come forward?
Or is it just perhaps the 'alleged victim' finally plucked up the courage
after all these years to come forward and see that the man who 'allegedly'
rape
It is your business when he is part of the public arena and people look up
to him for guidance and direction.
What do you want him to teach your children?
Nobody likes to believe but I'm sure a part of you wonders.
We all do.
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TRUDY: There are also political considerations within ATSIC that are
preventing
Clarke from stepping down and that is why you haven't heard anything
from Howard's mob. Burke is so dense he hasn't picked up on it.
What could those political considerations possibly be?
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TRUDY: It is their disrespect and contempt for decent behaviour that has
permeated our society - if it isn't illegal,
Then don't be like them and just think that because he says he didn't do it
also means he's innocent.
Why pick on Clarke??? How can you say that when it is a female civilian
acc
Have you convicted him already? What happened to innocent until PROVEN
guilty? Burke, Howard and Court have condemned themselves.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> What, they're worse than being a rapist?!
>
> I don't think so.
>
> Geoff Clarke should be stood down pending f
What, they're worse than being a rapist?!
I don't think so.
Geoff Clarke should be stood down pending final outcome of investigation
otherwise. Rape is a serious offfence and should be treated as such.
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Title:
Just
wanted to let people know that my computer, with Norton's 2000 Anti-Virus, just
detected the kak worm virus from a reply someone sent to this e-mail from
Davina.
I
didn't see who it was from, the detector just said that the file was called:
"RE: (recoznet2) We can teach"
Migh
I hope this is a true story because that woman deserves the humiliation she
got and the man certainly deserved to be moved away from such a horrible
woman. The standing ovation was well deserved.
Is this a true story??
karen
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I was just a bit surprised when I read this because I'd never heard any
mention before about the Queen apologising.
Considering Howard won't say Sorry (and I'll admit, personally I don't think
he should) - and we all know he won't because just like anyone, the more you
pressure them the more they
I saw something in the paper the other week which discussed an interesting
point to the Sorry debate which no one has ever mentioned before.
If people want a 'sorry' for past injustices and taking over of ones land
from the 1700s, than John Howard is not the person to be chasing.
Shouldn't it be
I see where you are coming from but I am very proud to say that the QPs is
one the most highly regarded police services in the world. We have a fine
reputation for leading the way in many fields, whether it be operational
improvements or scientific developments.
But we are not a militant group and
n without social justice
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From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2000 9:46 P.M.
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] Karen issue
--
RecOzNet2 has a page @ http:
I would like to know what my attitude to Aboriginal Australians actually is
too?
Considering I have friends from different races, including a number of
Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders, I thought it was one of friendship
and laughter.
But now everyone questions me (someone they don't know)
>Additionally, we should ask Karen to stop getting so defensive and start
>really thinking about the points that are being raised, and addressing
>arguments point by point. If she wants to debate issues, then debate
>them,don't reframe the debate each time it gets too hard.
You mean like you are
For your peace of mind, I belong to no political party and am certainly not
a plant for anybody.
Yes, I had e-mails on the site because I replied to some questions posted to
me. If I hadn't I would have been judged even more so. Damned if do, damned
if don't..
As for the suggestion I am a'pla
the law' - not matter
how trivial - usually don't last very long. Their 'compatriots' have a
habit of hounding them until they leave.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> I've noticed a very obvious underlying theme here on this site.
> It seems to me that the problem is y
As for Karen, well...I think she should be booted from the list, and I don't
think implying that she is a white supremicist is inappropriate given the
comments she comes out with. The KKK is not just a group of Americans
running around in the middle of the night draped in white sheets, they exist
I put the Mandatory sentencing material on there because I wondered how many
of you had actually seen it - read exactly the outline of procedure that
offenders go through before ending up in the detention centre. After reading
it, you would have noted that in the Juvenile section - for a third cou
opulation it wouldn't be that different.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> This was a war where six million people were killed for their religion.
> The stolen generation is not.
>
--
RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/rec
I came across this site purely by accident one evening when first trying out
my computer. I had a read and was curious as to what it contained and
perhaps to read about things everyone seemed to be talking about.
It's certainly opened my eyes up to a lot of things that's for sure.
This may surpris
As for your little KKK remark - now who is being insenstive and damaging?
You should be disgusted for making such a horrible assumption.
If you were trying to be funny, you failed dismally.
You people seem to have the blinkers, not me.
Burying heads in the sand and hoping your little problems go
I've noticed a very obvious underlying theme here on this site.
It seems to me that the problem is you seem to tarnish the police service
with the same brush!!!
Isn't that being a bit prejudiced?
If as most of you seem to think that all police are racist etc - then why do
Aboriginal people join? T
istory preserved and accepted as the record of their
peoples.
Our nation not only owes an apology for past wrongdoings, but our
present government owes much more for denying that wrong was
done.
Thomas Goodman,
Mittagong.
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> Mr Perkins said likening the stolen genera
4 April 2000 9:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Four Corners Tonight - ABC at 8:30 pm
Karen,
I have asked you once before to not 'shout' by using capitals. I'm
afraid this is the last warning. If you persist I will have to remove
you from the list.
Trudy
Karen Croo
This was a war where six million people were killed for their religion.
The stolen generation is not.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Liam
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2000 6:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Aborigines vow 'b
F YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANDATORY SENTENCING IS APPLIED, HAVE A READ
OF THIS FROM THE NT GOVERNMENT.
IT EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS AND WHY.
PREVIOUSLY, I WAS DUBIOUS ABOUT MANDATORY SENTENCING BECAUSE OF ALL THE
MENTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ETC.
BUT NOW AFTER READING THIS AND SEEING EXACTLY W
Mr Perkins said likening the stolen generations to the Jewish Holocaust
was legitimate because the
principle was the same, whatever the difference in the number of people
killed.
HOW IS THE PRINCIPLE THE SAME???
THEY ARE WORLDS APART.
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[mailto:[E
"Aboriginal people will rise up in this country and show the world how
racist Australia is."
"...would force Aboriginal people into direct conflict with the white
community."
Perkins spoke about violent protests.
What will that show the world?
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Thank you - I have printed it up just now and will have a read tonight.
Karen
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of karyn fearnside
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2000 7:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [recoznet2] white race privilege
This
Nation point of view. We had very robust discussions on this list then
too, but he listened and his views did change somewhat.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> It is coming up with these crazy personal attacks that will see
> Reconciliation go nowhere.
> Because you attack others when you do
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Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 4:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only
Here, after considerable research, is the truth about "Karen Crook".
In actual fact "she" is a senior functionary in the Prime Minister's
depa
o you just gave the police side. What is the other side that you
referred to?
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> I have seen officers work very hard to perform their duties
> and I have seen what they come up against being attacked every day for
> supposedly doing wrong.
> Not all police
for themselves. There is just nothing to argue
about.
My P O Box is 1365, Fortitude Valley Qld 4006
Graham Y
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From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Rele
bject: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only
Here, after considerable research, is the truth about "Karen Crook".
In actual fact "she" is a senior functionary in the Prime Minister's
department specialising in infiltrating and disrupting lists and other
organisations which pay to
Queensland Parliament
site
> and at
>
>
http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au:81/D:/data/isysdbs/han/2000.pdf/000316DY.PD
> F#xml=http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au:81/ISYSquery/IRL251B.tmp/6/hilite
>
> in the online version of the Hansard find that the bill you claim was
> proclaimed on Apri
: Queensland: The
Police State?
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. It explains a lot.
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray
> Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 12:06 PM
&
You people are so wrong - and you think I am!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rod Hagen
Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 5:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only
I might add that my own "theory" is that ther
Bray
Sent: Sunday, 19 March 2000 4:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The
Police State?
To which 'both sides' are you referring?
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> I also come from a police family so my experience has been seen f
Release: Queensland: The
Police State?
Since you know the date this came into effect so well, does this mean
that your are with the police?
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> For those who don't know, these powers were actually introduced on April 6
> 1999 - so they have already been in use
mmittee at the third reading stage?!
Graham Young
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From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] [fwd] ATSIC Media Release: Queensland: The Police
State?
> For those who don
effect so well, does this mean
that your are with the police?
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> For those who don't know, these powers were actually introduced on April 6
> 1999 - so they have already been in use for quite some time.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMA
For those who don't know, these powers were actually introduced on April 6
1999 - so they have already been in use for quite some time.
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Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2000 5:36 PM
To: RecOzNet2
Of Laurie Forde
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2000 10:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!
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From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [
ade. The point!
What does it matter about the externals?
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
> Okay then, perhaps we need to find out exactly where the poll was taken
and
> by whom. Then we can decide whether or not it was a respected poll/survey.
>
> I thought Trudy was implying that Michael Moore
ich is
citing a real survey. The show must be taken with a grain of salt, but the
survey shouldn't (at least not more than any other survey).
Glenn Murray
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the strength
of our own right arm.
Graham
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From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:31 PM
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> If you're going to go back, why not go back all
ombed.
Yes the show is humorous but most of it has a point and what they are
jabbing at isn't funny - it's scary because it *is* real life that they
are commenting on.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> They also all agreed that Hilary Clinton should got out with the toothless
> guy!!!
Then let us hope they sack those responsible!!
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Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2000 6:50 PM
To: RecOzNet2
Subject: [recoznet2] Report reveals physical abuse of young detainees in
NSW
Report rev
They also all agreed that Hilary Clinton should got out with the toothless
guy!!!
The show is comedy and takes a jab at everyone. It is not a true
representation of life. Just people being silly and having crazy fun.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
What is so wrong with serving the 14 days?
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Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2000 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Interesting idea!
Here is a copy of the letter I just sent
ave decided what they might
=
be, and their nature. =20
So, maybe you disagree with the High Court and believe that the land was
=
originally owned by no-one. If so, perhaps we should start at that =
point. =20
Graham Young
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From: Karen Crook=20
To: [EM
want to listen to, I would like to be able to configure
my system so it doesnt arrive
in the first place.
Thanks
Claire
Karen Crook wrote:
> In other words I will never forget what happened to me but the greatest
> revenge I can have to the person in question is to live my life to th
Reconciliation is where we take away all the specific
subsidies and start giving to people for credit of their situations rather than
race. There are all colours out there on the streets homeless, on drugs or
drinking too much.
Reconciliation is giving everyone a chance at an
education no ma
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There can be no real reconciliation without social justice
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From:
Karen Crook
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Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 6:48
P.M.
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no
shame!
Graham says:
-made', made by some who have greater access to the resources that their
equality provides than others. Equality simply, does not mean sameness.
Good luck
BW
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Karen Crook
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 20
TIM SAYS:I can't believe he has the
nerve to come out of a meeting and say, once again, that he's committed to
reconciliation. It's only a week ago on 3AW that he
said: "What baffles me about this (reconciliation) issue is that I'm
expected to repudiate my own personal beliefs; I'm told tha
because I can - just like you! Remember that Freedom of Speech thingy!?!?
All I simply said was that I did not wish to comment on something I did not
know as much about as I would like to.
So I get shot down for having an opinion and then I get shot down because I
don't have an informed enough op
hould be considered the essence of reconciliation?!
Cheers.
Glenn Murray
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In other words I will never forget what h
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Karen Crook wrote:
I do understand the story and it is ver
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Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 9:24 AM
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Reconciliation without forgiveness??? H...
Glenn Murray
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From: Karen Crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Se
settled, and there are plenty of people alive today who voted for governments
who sanctioned that activity. So it is not accurate to say that it has nothing to do with current
Australians. Perhaps it happened before both of our times, but not all
our times.
Graham Young
- Origi
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From:
Karen Crook
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 3:35
PM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no
shame!
>How would you feel, Karen? Would you forgive
them and go forward as if nothing had happe
>How would you feel, Karen? Would you forgive them
and go forward as if nothing had happened? >Would you think you now had
equality? >Would you betray the love of your children and parents and
their deaths and agree to forget so that >they could feel better?
No, I
would not forgive them
What were the findings in the report??
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Liam
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2000 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [recoznet2] Fw: [atsic] Media Release: PRIME MINISTERS
ABANDONMENT OF THE RECONCILIATION PROCESS
>
Tim,
>Just because he doesn't believe in saying sorry
doesn't mean he doesn't believe in people living as >a nation
united!!
>There is no need for a sorry - how will it make
reconciliation work?
>Can anyone even answer that
question?
Karen
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[
TO EVERYONE!!
For everyone's information the reason I disappeared for 2 weeks was because
my computer had a faulty CD-Rom and we've had to have it replaced and
rebuilt.
How quick everyone is to judge me, that you all seem to think I am ignoring
you or don't want to play or that you managed t
Think of me what you will - I am still me.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sandy Sanders
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2000 9:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Karen, Karen, Karen!
Marinomoana, the author of this poem is Emil
I will not apologise for my thoughts because as it is obvious, everyone has
different opinions and different encounters. You know nothing about me.
Congratulations for having worked in the NT.
"Homesick! So what. Well for anybody who has had contact with these people
knows that what we glibly cal
Royal Commission into this very question and it concluded that race was
indeed an issue in such deaths.
Come on, Karen. Believe what it suits you to believe, but don't try to kid
us that you have a logical basis for it. You're putting yourself in the same
class as 'Honest John
However, he said it was wrong to blame mandatory sentencing for the
> boy's death.
>> 'I don't think that can be credibly argued that that (mandatory
> sentencing) was the only cause of that very very tragic
> incident,' Mr Howard said.
Mr Howard for once is correct - so why is everyone making th
one in jail for stealing a few bucks worth of biscuits.
Garry
PS we collected 2,000 signatures against mandatory sentencing in 7 hours
today in Victoria Park! Pauline Pantsdown, on the megaphone, asking people
to sign to stop putting young kids into jail, and to put John Howard away
instead, help
tHIS ARTICLE JUST PROVES THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE YOU ARE, ANYBODY
CAN END UP IN PRISON IF YOU COMMIT THE CRIME.
DON'T COMMIT THE CRIME, RESPECT PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE AND RESPECT YOURSELF
THEN YOU WON'T END UP IN PRISON. SIMPLE AS THAT!!
-Original Message-
From: Claire O'Connor
The recent death of a 15-year-old Aboriginal boy serving a
>mandatory
>detention term highlights the punitive and racist effects of juvenile
>justice laws. The legislation prevents a court from considering
>restitution
>to victims and the harm created when sentencing property offenders.
>
For starters, his name is Col Dillon, not Dillam!!
The mandatory sentencing laws is not aimed at Aboriginals it is aimed at
offenders.
Stop turning it into a RACE issue!!
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:24 PM
To: O'[EM
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