[Fwd: [recoznet2] [Fwd: Arguments for the 'No' vote]]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
17-02-99 Why I will vote 'no' on the republic and the preamble. The Republic. Even though I feel that Australia should become a republic, as things stand at present I will not vote 'yes'. I have come to this decision not just because of the undemocratic model being proposed but also b

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Newslink - Kennett accused of prejudice over Aboriginal.]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
> From: "Trudy Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:"news-clip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:55:34 +1000 > Subject: ABC Newslink - Kennett accused of prejudice over Aboriginal... > Reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Priority: normal > Ke

[Fwd: [recoznet2] [AP] Aboriginal group ends fire-burning protest in Australia]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Associated Press Friday, February 12, 1999 Aboriginal group ends fire-burning protest in Australia CANBERRA, Australia (AP) -- Aboriginal protesters accepted an offer of talks from Australia's prime minister today, calling a truce in a week of demonstrations in which they burned ceremonia

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Arguments for the 'No' vote]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
You are unfortunately doing just what John Howard wants you to do, this is exactly why he has done what he has Helen Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > 17-02-99 > > Why I will vote 'no' on the republic and the preamble. > > The Republic. > > Even though I feel

[Fwd: [recoznet2] men's business?]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Dee, I spoke to an Aboriginal Elder about Liam's request. He did not seem to mind this happening. Admittedly he is not from that area and could only talk "in his own opinion", but I find him to be very widely recognized in the community in which he lives as a man who knows lore. Personal

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Arguments for the 'No' vote]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ld have a republic at any cost? What if the cost is too great? Trudy Helen M. Hill wrote: > You are unfortunately doing just what John Howard wants you to do, this is exactly >why he has > done what he has > Helen > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > 17-02-99 > >

[Fwd: [recoznet2] theblock]

1999-03-13 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
fyi - prepared on short notice - cheers susanne martain * Councillors South Sydney Council Hand Delivered 17/2/99 Dear Councillors RE: DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION - AGENDA ITEM 3 - 44-56 EVELEIGH ST REDFERN The Block Community advises the Councillors that decisions made in considerat

Re: [Fwd: [recoznet2] theblock]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Irene. Trudy irene wrote: > irene wtote > trudy i think i have all of these attached files that are sent out > > -- > > From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Fwd: [recoznet2] theb

[recoznet2] Archiving message update

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
For those who joined the list recently and those who missed this message or misplaced it: IMPORTANT!KEEP THIS MESSAGE SOMEWHERE SAFE DO NOT DELETE. Hi everyone, We had hoped that Green Net would have archiving facilities but as it happened, they didn't. Marg Hutton has a found an easy-to-us

[recoznet2] The end of the ABC?

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Senator Alston can be reached at the email address above. Trudy == ABC Newslink Smith condemns Alston ABC privatisation plan Sunday 14 March, 1999 (2:58pm AEDT) Federal shadow Minister for Communications Stephen Smith says privatisin

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Infos ?]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Subject: Help from France ? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:23:18 + From: bernard blanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Canning wrote: < Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANBERRA, Australia (Reuters) -- Australian police o

[Fwd: [recoznet2] theblock]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Webweave wrote: > fyi - prepared on short notice - cheers susanne martain > * > Councillors > South Sydney Council > Hand Delivered > 17/2/99 > Dear Councillors > RE: DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION - AGENDA ITEM 3 - 44-56 EVELEIGH ST REDFERN this is the area I've just moved to. there's a me

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Howard's ABC---New LIfe for Ein Reich.]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
nutcases who go crazy over mardi gras - they've only >boosted it by throwing the 'alternative' up into sharp relief. >is it not possible for us to read stuff like last night's show as anything other >than howard dictating australia (via abc 'dogsbodies')? > &g

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Good strategy John, get the preamble rejected by the 30% of atheists and their goes the recognition of indigenous people with it. Peter > -Original Message- >But Labor Senator Chris Schacht says at > least 30 per cent >of Australians do not rec

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I don't think he said that 30% were atheists, Peter, in fact, the percentage of those is actually very small. What Howard is doing for most of them is subjugating them to the Christian God - something Muslims and a host of other religions mind very much. But you're right, of course, the eff

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
hello All, the Canberra Times announced on its front page saturday the 20/02/99 a competition to write the preamble. It goes something like this: It is now declared that the Canberra Timees shall run a competition to generate the best preamble, the conditions of which are as follows: 1. ma

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
karyn fearnside wrote: > hello All, > the Canberra Times announced on its front page saturday the 20/02/99 a > competition to write the preamble. It goes something like this: > > It is now declared that the Canberra Timees shall run a competition to > generate the best preamble, the conditi

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
At 03:22 PM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > >In case anyone needs them, here are the points agreed upon at ConCon as a >basis for writing the >preamble. I think Recoznetters can acquit themselves quite well at this. >Anyone who sends one in, could you post it to R

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ade up my mind about the tooth fairy!). I think if we touch on all the elements but imbue them with better values then we can't go wrong. Trudy Rod Hagen wrote: > At 03:22 PM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > >In case anyone needs them, here are the

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
How about "we acknowledge the Dreaming forces in country." Bruce --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsu

[recoznet2] Time for a good chuckle

1999-03-14 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Check out the URL below for the Two 'Fat' Ladies (it's clean!) http://www.zip.com.au/~rocket/2ladies.htm Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Bruce, I think it is important to write it in such a way as to be inclusive of all. I think your phrase does that but I also think there are many in the country who would not see it that way. I think there must be a way to word it so that all people feel it relates to them - including Abori

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Bruce, I understand how you feel but think of it - even if the only thing that some hold sacred is money, it is more meaningful than a god they don't believe in. Trudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Trudy, > > I was just dreaming. > > For some the only thing sacred is money > > Bruce > --

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Trudy, I was just dreaming. For some the only thing sacred is money Bruce --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
At 08:33 AM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: >I don't think he said that 30% were atheists, Peter, in fact, the >percentage of those is actually >very small. The last census doesn't indicate that 30% are atheists. It does, however indicate that 16.6% of people indicated

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Cooroy 4563 Q. Australia (61) 7 54477440 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- > From: Rod Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl > Date: Monday, 22 February 1999 17:05 > > At

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Redfern Residents Action Group]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
list members may be interested in a new web site established by he Redfern Residents Action Group The site is located at: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/4021/ The site will be adding much information over the coming weeks. The Group is developing a policy statement and would welcom

[Fwd: [recoznet2] HSC Studies of Religion]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's > inclusion inpreambl > > Date: Monday, 22 February 1999 17:05 > > > > At 08:33 AM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > >I don't think he said that 30% were atheists, Peter, in fact, the

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Ah, a secular state. I don't believe in that. Some soul please. And leave the European style state in the 20th century. Bruce --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECT

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusioninpreambl]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
At 07:18 PM 22/2/99, Dee Elliott wrote: >Rod, > >re your brawl with vic ed... are there schools in Victoria which teach >Aboriginal dreaming or other religions apart from the Christian one(s)? My >objection to my children receiving religious education has been not that >Christianity's belief s

[Fwd: [recoznet2] write the preamble]

1999-03-15 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
At 05:33 PM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: >Hi Rod, > >Actually it is not really that difficult to acknowledge a variety of >beliefs - the trick is to >think beyond the word 'god'. >Just think, if we do well, we may be able to influence the elimination of >t

[recoznet2] Indigenous Australians 'impossible to consult'

1999-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
This is so infuriating! Howard was told on all sides he should consult. Aboriginal people were there willing to consult and Howard didn't listen. He was too busy 'telling'. He wasn't hearing what he wanted to hear. Now the govt. is excusing itself for taking away Indigenous land rights by saying i

Re: [recoznet2] Religious Studies

1999-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi Ian, I'm sure my son can sympathise. He has his BAHons in Religious Studies from Sydney Uni (they have now changed to the 'School for Studies in Religion') and is doing his Master's degree at the moment. He lectures on Celtic religion up to the time of the coming of Christianity and just be

[recoznet2] From the Letters Page SMH

1999-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Letters SMH March 13, 1999 Convenient amnesia We are nine Aboriginal people from all over Australia who have come to the University of Sydney to acquire knowledge and skills that will help us improve the often wretched health of people in our communities. Like other students, we are paying HECS

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I agree. There may be many who claim to have no religion ( and even some of those just don't want to identify what they do believe in because they don't trust the state) but there are many who do. The only problem is that generally the followers of the christian religions assume that everyo

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Qld. Premier urges all Republicans to back Howard in Referendum]

1999-03-16 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi everyone, Thought you might be interested in this latest press release from the Qld (Labor) Premier about the preamble. Regards Susan . >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Qld. Media statement - Premier urges all Republicans to back >Howard in Referendum >Date: Tu

Re: [Fwd: [recoznet2] Addition to recoznet]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I admire your sentiments, Lance, and a major step in the right direction from Howard narrow vision but, is the Rainbow Serpent significant to all First Australian? Or do we have the same problem that by naming the sacred we shut out those who believe in a different manifestation? Trudy Bushra

[recoznet2] List of books

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Piet has asked a question about which books to read in order to gain a better understanding of Indigenous Australians. This gave me an idea that if we can put together a list of worthy books we could then put them on our webpage for everyone to consult if they wish. Any contributions please? I'll

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Is a constituion itself a 'modernist' thing, in a post-modern society? How about lots of different localities having their own song/charters, each a verse in a larger song? Am i getting silly (or is this how it was pre 1788?) Bruce --- R

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion in preambl]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hurrah for the POST-MODERN society!! Ian Henderson. >Is a constituion itself a 'modernist' thing, in a post-modern >society? > >How about lots of different localities having their own >song/charters, each a verse in a larger song? > >Am i getting silly (or is this how it was pre 1788?) > >Br

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
At 04:26 PM 23/2/99, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is a constituion itself a 'modernist' thing, in a post-modern >society? I've always been intrigued by the idea of a "post-modern" society. Is it something which is modern but chained to a telegraph pole? Is it something which is so far in fron

[Fwd: [recoznet2] men's business?]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Liam, Sorry for being so late in getting back to you. You probably have the information you need by now. It would seem that there was men's business and women's business in all societies but to a lesser or greater extent. Much of it would depend on whether the tribal group followed a pa

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Extradition Report]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Canadian minister for Justice is refusing to release a ''Report on the Internal Review of the Extradition of Mr. Leonard Peltier''... this report, should it be released, will bring Leonard back to Canada where he will be a FREE MAN... please take 5 minutes to fill out the form at the follo

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Re: SMH - Howard's FBI war on drugs]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
All Howard, the Sallies, and others who waffle on in this way are doing is providing assistance for the drug smugglers, and all those others who profit form this industry to make more money. Don Trudy Bray wrote: > I suggest we start a 'zero tolerance' policy on Howard. --- Trudy > ===

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
> Sent: Monday, 22 February 1999 18:06 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member > questions God's > inclusion inpreambl > > > At 08:33 AM 22/2/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > >I don't think he said that 30% were

[Fwd: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member questions God's inclusion inpreambl]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rod Hagen > > Sent: Monday, 22 February 1999 18:06 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] RE: ABC Newslink - Labor Member > > questions God's > > inclusion inpreambl > > > > > > At 08:33 AM 22/2/99, Trudy

[Fwd: [recoznet2] the preamble]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Megan, I don't have time right now to do your epistle justice with a reply but may I say Welcome! Feel free to 'talk too much' as much as you like. You raise many points that require discussion and I hope many will be spurred on to do so. Even those who are hanging back, just lurking. ;-)

[Fwd: [recoznet2] the preamble]

1999-03-17 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hello, all. This is my first foray into any discussion on this list - which may or may not be a good sign (I tend to talk too much). Still, I've been listening for a while now and I'm starting to feel a bit like a 'voyeur', just reading your comments, and not giving of myself. As a sin

[recoznet2] AAP: GST would hurt Aborigines says ATSIC

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Australian Financial Review March 18, 1999 GST would hurt Aborigines, says ATSIC ATSIC has told the senate committee on the GST that proposed tax reforms would increase the hardship for already disadvantaged indigenous people. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait and Islander Commission said in its

[Fwd: [recoznet2] The preamble]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Friends, As a Buddhist I have misgivings about the appearance of a reference to God in our constitutional preamble. But then so what! How important is this 'preamble' going to be: written by a failed suburban solicitor, a man whose autobiography had to be written by ghost writers and which wa

[Fwd: [recoznet2] the preamble]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ur welcome really helped. Thank you. > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:49:42 +1100 > From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: A just society, not just an economy! > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] the preamble &g

[Fwd: [recoznet2] ABC News item relevant to our discussion]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC Newslink Aussies back unity and diversity in preamble Wednesday 24 February, 1999 (3:03pm AEDT) The Constitutional Centenary Foundation says submissions made to its quest for ideas on a preamble shows Australians strongly support a theme of unity and diversity. The foundation rece

[Fwd: [recoznet2] the preamble]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
a white person, wanting to take over the discussion". > > We have so much to learn > > Your welcome really helped. Thank you. > > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:49:42 +1100 > > From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Org

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Some Dutch date on drug use]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I found this on aus.politics and thought it might be of interest to recoznetters. Trudy ** >From the Dutch Embassy web site August 6, 1998 http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/drug-inf.htm Press, Public and Cultural Affairs Drug Policy and Crime Sta

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Addition to last (misspelt-oops) message]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Also from aus.politics: Official text of Dutch protest against the DEA book. Monday 9 Jan 1995, The Hague Her Majesty's Minister of Foreign Affairs of The Netherlands drs. Hans van Mierlo has officially annouced the following answer in writing to parliamentary questions by the MP Thom De Gr

[Fwd: [recoznet2] Re: The Age Breaking News: Howard threatens uni cuts]

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Trudy Bray wrote: > > Picture him in a uniform with lots of braid, a peaked cap over > sunglasses, built up shoes and carrying a riding crop... --- Trudy you can tell that Trudy's in Mardi Gras mode can't you? RAIN!! and the rainbow serpent is a rain totem ... PRAY!! PRAY FOR NO RAIN SATURDA

[recoznet2] Booklist and recycled messages

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The book list is coming along nicely. Please keep them coming! Today the last of the old messages were sent through the list and all of them should now be accessible on the archive. If anyone needs the URL again, it is http://www.mail-archive.com/ Trudy

[recoznet2] History of the sacred

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Further to the discussions that occurred on this list not too long ago about the tensions between the secular and the sacred, there is a website that might interest those who wish to read further on this History and the Sacred by Stephen Muecke http://www.mcs.mq.edu.au/staff/Andrew/muecke.html

Re: [recoznet2] List of books

1999-03-18 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
>don't? > > Graham Y > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > Piet has asked a question about which books to read in order to gain a > > better understanding of Indigenous Australians. > > This gave me an idea that if we can put together a list of worthy bo

[recoznet2] UN decisin on Wik!

1999-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
UN committee calls for moratorium on Wik laws Source: AAP | Published: Friday March 19 2:17:13 PM The United Nations' race discrimination committee has called on the Australian Government to suspend its native title laws and reopen talks with Aboriginal people as a matter

[recoznet2] Reynolds and Williams react to UN report

1999-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Labor Senator says Govt should act on UN report Friday 19 March, 1999 (3:40pm AEDT) North Queensland-based Labor Senator Margaret Reynolds says the Federal Government has a responsibility to act on a United Nations report which criticises its handling of native title. Senator Reynolds, wh

Re: [recoznet2] List of books

1999-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
o. 5, 30. > 1993Has Mabo Turned the Tide for Justice?, in Social Alternatives, Vol > 12, No 1, 1. > > > > -- > > From: Rod Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] List of books > > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 9:

[recoznet2] Aborigines not recognised as First Australians

1999-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/international/0318/i_rt_0318_2.sml Fox News Aborigines Not Recognized As First Australians 12.12 a.m. ET (513 GMT) March 18, 1999 CANBERRA — Australia's conservative government has not recognized Aborigines as the country's original

[recoznet2] Amnesty International News Release

1999-03-19 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
>From Heinz... AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL International Secretariat, 1 Easton Street, London WC1X 8DJ, United Kingdom News Service: 054 /99 AI Index: ASA 12/03/99 19 March 1999 Australia: government's dismis

[recoznet2] Letters to the editor

1999-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Does anyone know if sending the same letter to more than one paper is ethical, frowned upon or? Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the me

[recoznet2] My letter to the SMH

1999-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
March 20, 1999 While it is a matter of deep personal regret to me that the Attorney-General, Darryl Williams, feels insulted by the UN committee's conclusions about the Native Title Amendment Act, I think his call for all Australians to feel insulted is going too far. Since we were not personally

[recoznet2] Other news reports

1999-03-20 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9903/18/BC-AUSTRALIA-ABORIGINES.reut/index.html U.N.: Australia land rights laws discriminate http://www.scmp.com/news/template/Asia-Template.idc?artid=19990320020537009&top=asia&template=Default.htx&maxfieldsize=2166 South China Morning Post Australia UN critic

[recoznet2] Letters please!

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
If the Sydney Morning Herald is anything to go by, the fact that the UN CERD's report that the Native Title Amendment Act is discriminatory is not causing a ripple in the letters to the editor page. We cannot let the Howard Government get away with this blatant, racist legislation which has now b

[recoznet2] Greens statement on UN ruling

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Just received this from Bob Brown's office. Trudy 19 March 1999 UN Ruling Shames Australia - Brown Greens Senator Bob Brown says the UN Race Discrimination Committee's finding that the government's native title legislation is racially discriminatory was inevitable. This is an informed and in

[recoznet2] Indigenous childrens' loss

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
SMH Column 8 Date: 23/03/99 SYDNEY lost one of its institutions yesterday. Sid "Doc" Cunningham, known as the Black Santa for his efforts over more than two decades to collect Christmas gifts for underprivileged Aboriginal children, died in Balmain Hospital after a long illness. Sid, who was 72,

[recoznet2] British campaign starts for Aboriginal land rights

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Australian Breaking News: British campaign starts for Aboriginal land rights treaty By TREVOR MARSHALLSEA 23mar99 8.30am (AEDT) THE British government and public will be urged to advocate the settlement of a treaty between the Australian government and Aborigines under a new c

Re: [recoznet2] [Fwd: Biased reporting and the Australian Press Council]

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Thanks, Graham! I recommend that everyone bookmark those sites. Who would have thought that Scott Balson would be useful for something? Trudy Graham Young wrote: What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.   There may be some application for the indigenous cause in this latest tip on

Re: [recoznet2] Heres a copy of what I have forwarded to everyone you had on the list Trudy.

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Hi Lance, Great! A heartfelt and passionate letter! Trudy Bushranger Ned wrote: > Dear Ministers, Senators and Political Parties, > I emplor you to respect the dignity of the UN council and deliver what the > First Australian people have been trying to obtain for so long. Recognition > of pri

Re: [recoznet2] Letters to the editor

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
lso writing. Increase it's chances by marking it "Exclusive" is my > approach. > > It is almost as though a ban had been placed on covering the CERD decision, > and yes a letter writing campaign is an excellent idea. Australia's people > need > to be well infor

[recoznet2] Full text of the preamble

1999-03-22 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
THE AGE Tuesday 23 March 1999 Draft preamble to the Constitution This is the text of the draft preamble to the Constitution released today by Prime Minister John Howard: 'With hope in God, the Commonwealth of Australia is constituted by the equal sovereignty of all its citizens. 'The Australia

Re: [recoznet2] Full text of the preamble

1999-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
My first, unrationalised, gut feeling impressions: It is uncoordinated and disjointed and contains Howard's pet peeves. Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > THE AGE > Tuesday 23 March 1999 > > Draft preamble to the Constitution > > This is the text of the draft preamble to the

Re: [recoznet2] Full text of the preamble

1999-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Just as a comparison, I have posted the winning entry from the Canberra Times competition below the efforts of Howard and Murray. What does everyone think? Trudy Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > THE AGE > Tuesday 23 March 1999 > > Draft preamble to the Constitution > > This

Re: [recoznet2] Letters please!

1999-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
t; W.A. 6163 SSHE, Murdoch University > AustraliaMurdoch, W.A. 6150. > > 'Freedom is having nothing left to fear' (I. Henderson, 1998) > __________ > -Original Message- > From: Tru

[recoznet2] Funeral of Sid Cunningham

1999-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Column 8 Date: 24/03/99 THE funeral for Black Santa, Sid Cunningham, who died on Monday (Column 8, yesterday), will be held at 10am tomorrow in St Mary's Cathedral. "Anyone who wants to come is welcome," his daughter-in-law, Glenda, said yesterday. --

[recoznet2] Letters to the editor

1999-03-23 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
If you haven't sent your letter to the editor of your chosen paper yet, please do so today! Howard is trying to distract people from his racist legislation by releasing his draft preamble but we can't let him avoid scrutiny of his breach of the UN convention and human rights in that way. The Sydn

[recoznet2] Another letter to the SMH

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
March 25, 1999 It worked a charm! With the hasty release of a draft preamble that obviously needs a lot more work, John Howard distracted us completely from the UN judgement on his racially discriminatory Native Title Amendment Act. What patsies we are! Trudy Bray 13 Cunningham Pl., Camden NS

[recoznet2] [Fwd: The Real Music of Aus at Westminster.]

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
LAUNCH of the Aboriginal Support Group (Westminster.) 22nd March 1999 The ancient wood paneled room of the Palace of Westminster was host to the all around sound of native Australia's music of welcome when Gnarayarrahe Inmurry Waitairie and his companion Ponjydfyidu (Una Branfield) gave

[recoznet2] World news about preamble

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.scmp.com/news/template/Asia-Template.idc?artid=19990324022238028&top=asia&template=Default.htx&maxfieldsize=2141 South China Morning Post Wednesday March 24,1999 Poetic preamble rhymes poorly for Aborigines "It should start, 'God save the black fellow and pray for our natives' welfa

[recoznet2] SMH Obituaries: Syd Cunningham, OAM

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
The Sydney Morning Herald March 25, 1999 OBITUARIES Syd Cunningham, OAM Aboriginal community stalwart 1926 - 1999 “The kids’ eyes shone like diamonds when they saw the helicopter,” said Syd “Doc" Cunningham, describing how Aboriginal children at Nanima reserve in the NSW country town of Wellingt

[recoznet2] Preamble: early version

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
SMH Stay in touch column On ya, cobber An early draft of the John Howard-Les Murray love-in preamble has been leaked to SIT, via e-mail and the Canberra press gallery. Some may prefer it to the finished product. It goes (rather inevitably) like this: We are all Aussie blokes and sheilas, and we a

Re: [recoznet2] Preamble: early version

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
sembling a > legally enforceable right should be considered to have been written while my > fingers were crossed and therefore doesn't count. > > Incidentally, if you can't read this preamble, don't think for one minute > that you're going to get any dole mon

[recoznet2] Public asked to comment

1999-03-24 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Does anyone know where to send these comments? Or will they be keeping that a secret? Trudy Public asked to comment on preamble draft legislation Thursday 25 March, 1999 (12:20pm AEDT) The Federal Government has released for public comment the draft legislation which would enact the preamb

Re: [recoznet2] Preamble - a late entry

1999-03-25 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Great stuff! Trudy (Robert) Bruce Reyburn wrote: > Dear Prime Minister, > > Thank you for your invitation to take part in wording up a new Preamble for > the Constitution. After deliberations which went late into the night and > consumed a fair share of party resources, we present you with our f

[recoznet2] Preamble stinks like a dead cat: Qld Nats

1999-03-26 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Preamble stinks like a dead cat: Qld Nationals Source: AAP | Published: Friday March 26 11:18:02 AM The Labor Party, the Australian Democrats, Aboriginal groups and many others have gained an unlikely new ally in objecting to John Howard's draft constitutional preamble.

Re: [recoznet2] Another letter to the SMH

1999-03-26 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I just had a call from the SMH to say that the letter below has been short-listed for Monday's edition. Trudy Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > March 25, 1999 > > It worked a charm! > > With the hasty release of a draft preamble that obviously needs a lot more work, > >

[recoznet2] Grammar checker failure

1999-03-26 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Someone on Aus.politics ran Johnny's preamble through his grammar checkers and the results were very interesting. On one it got a score of 14.2 out of 100 for readability and on the other it was rated at grade 7-8 level for readability. Should be an interesting experiment! Trudy --

[recoznet2] Post your preamble

1999-03-26 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/index.asp?URL=/extras/009/index.htm The Australian has a place where people can post their own versions of the preamble. Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 To unsubscribe from thi

[recoznet2] Referendum website and address for comments

1999-03-26 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
http://www.dpmc.gov.au/referendum/ REFERENDUM ON THE REPUBLIC 1999 In late 1999, the Government will hold a referendum on whether Australia should become a republic. There will be two questions: one on the proposal for a republic which will follow the preferred model which emerged from the 199

[recoznet2] Melissa Worm

1999-03-28 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Email virus spreading rapidly By Stephen Shankland Staff Writer, CNET News.com March 26, 1999, 5:20 p.m. PT A new virus is actively spreading itself across the Internet, taking advantage of users' email address books to replicate "extremely quickly," according to one expert. The virus, W97

[recoznet2] [Fwd: inquiry regarding resources]

1999-03-29 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Can anyone help Saralyn with the information she needs? Trudy Hello Trudy, We are on your list for receiving news clippings. Thank you for your effort to keep us informed. I was wondering if you might be able to point me towards some resources for an assignment which I have for an environmenta

[recoznet2] Time to sack the joke!

1999-03-29 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
ABC Newslink Herron defends cannibal statements Monday 29 March, 1999 (3:58pm AEST) Federal Minister for Aboriginal Affairs John Herron says there is nothing wrong with claiming Aborigines were once cannibals. Western Australian Liberal backbencher Barry Haase made the aside at a recent P

[recoznet2] URL for Melissa virus information

1999-03-30 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Information about the Melissa virus is available on the Web at http://www.Cert.Org/advisories/CA-99-04-Melissa-Macro-Virus.Html. Microsoft has a patch available at http://www.Microsoft.Com/security/bulletins/ms99-002.Asp. --- Re

[recoznet2] Poll on preamble - stinker

1999-03-30 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Abbott proud of preamble despite poll rejection Source: AAP | Published: Tuesday March 30 9:15:06 AM Employment Services Minister Tony Abbott today strongly defended Prime Minister John Howard's proposed preamble, despite less than a quarter of the population supporting th

Re: [recoznet2] E-mail Virus Epidemic

1999-03-30 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
Have taken your address off. Please notify me when you wish to be on the list again. Good luck! Trudy Wardaman Aboriginal Corporation wrote: > Trudy, > > Could you please refrain from sending us any e-mails until further notice. > We have been notified of a 'bad computer virus' that is

[recoznet2] About the newsclip list and Melissa

1999-03-30 Thread Trudy and Rod Bray
I just wanted to reassure everyone who is on my newsclip list that it is very unlikely to be a carrier of the Melissa virus. We use Netscape for our email and our address book but the Newsclip list is on Pegasus with no incoming mail and no addressbook. We have all the Virus scanning up-to-date p

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