Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-28 Thread John Summerfield
> > > Well there are several small editors for people allergic to VI, three > > > or four mail readers, same thing with mailers. I am a man of simple > > > tastes: I want the best in everrything and I have no place for second > > > > I used pine a lot, as do many others. Many prefer elm. Which

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread JF Martinez
> > JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > find alternate routes to introduce people to Project Independence, > > > since I won't recommend a distribution that I can't use myself. > > > Can you read? Then reread my previous posts and you will see how much > > I hate having vital sof

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread Alan Shutko
JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > find alternate routes to introduce people to Project Independence, > > since I won't recommend a distribution that I can't use myself. > Can you read? Then reread my previous posts and you will see how much > I hate having vital software available o

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread Bob Taylor
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JF Martinez writes: [snip] > But I don't accept having a > thousand defenseless beginners getting a headache after seeing three > dozens of mail clients (bot console and X) and two hundred editors > jsut because a couple hardcore Unixers complained loudly about t

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread JF Martinez
> > JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > There are millions of Linux users coming from Windows who would hate > > such software. But these people are a silent majority who don't dare > > to tell their opinion because they lack self-confidence in front of > > the "experts". > > Theref

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Alex Kanavin wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, John Summerfield wrote: > > > Perhaps we'll all be saved by DVD. I read that Toshiba's shipping DVD and > > not CD drives in all ots prtables RSN. presumambly by RHL 8.x a DVD distro > > will be an option. > > Until then - milti

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread Alex Kanavin
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, John Summerfield wrote: > Perhaps we'll all be saved by DVD. I read that Toshiba's shipping DVD and > not CD drives in all ots prtables RSN. presumambly by RHL 8.x a DVD distro > will be an option. Until then - milti CD is the only way. What I actually wanted was an offici

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-27 Thread John Summerfield
> Caldera did just that: drop from the main distrib those utilities they > thought were playing in second division. Read also that I told that Am I mistaken, or is Calder playing in the second division? if an utility had many users it should not be dropped. You could > reverse my proposition

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-26 Thread Alan Shutko
JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There are millions of Linux users coming from Windows who would hate > such software. But these people are a silent majority who don't dare > to tell their opinion because they lack self-confidence in front of > the "experts". Therefore we should remov

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-26 Thread Chris Garrigues
> From: JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:31:17 +0200 > > I was thinking mostly in mh-exmh. Are there so many people using > them? Are they so good they could not be dropped now that KDE and > Gnome have what looks like far more exciting clients? As a heavy exmh user

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-26 Thread JF Martinez
> > > > > Can you give some examples of such redundant programs? I hope you're > > > not thinking of dropping lots of text-based software based on the > > > assumption that the whole computing world is moving toward graphical > > > interfaces. > > > > > > > Well there are several small editor

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-26 Thread John Summerfield
> > Can you give some examples of such redundant programs? I hope you're > > not thinking of dropping lots of text-based software based on the > > assumption that the whole computing world is moving toward graphical > > interfaces. > > > > Well there are several small editors for people allerg

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
> You also have to consider that too many redundant utilities tend to > confuse the user specially new users. Look at the :-) > distribution and its above half a dozen web servers. Red Hat has dropped stuff, xv, bsd-games,.. for various reasons including nobody using it -- To unsubscribe: mai

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread JF Martinez
> > >Well there are several small editors for people allergic to VI, three > >or four mail readers, same thing with mailers. I am a man of simple > >tastes: I want the best in everrything and I have no place for second > >runners. Only reason to accept a program who is not the best is when > >i

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread Chris Abbey
>Well there are several small editors for people allergic to VI, three >or four mail readers, same thing with mailers. I am a man of simple >tastes: I want the best in everrything and I have no place for second >runners. Only reason to accept a program who is not the best is when >it has a such

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread JF Martinez
> Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 25 11:02:56 1999 > X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl > X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: redhat/redhat-devel-list1999_10 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:25:49 +0800 > From: John Summerfield <[

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread JF Martinez
> > JF Martinez writes: > > I agree about this but I also think there are some programs who are > > redundant with other programs in the distrib;, have been obsoleted by > > better ones and have no big followship so there is little reason to > > keep them. Removing thme would make some space

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread Alex Kanavin
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kevin Waterson wrote: > > > 2) Move to 2 CDs distribution: it's definitely time to do it. > This would be a major problem for network installs Really ? Can't installation program ask where the contents of the second CD is located on the network ? Alexander Homepage: http:/

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread John Summerfield
> > I agree about this but I also think there are some programs who are > redundant with other programs in the distrib;, have been obsoleted by > better ones and have no big followship so there is little reason to > keep them. Removing thme would make some space Removing old programs can be pai

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-25 Thread John Summerfield
> Kevin Waterson wrote: > > > > > > > > > 2) Move to 2 CDs distribution: it's definitely time to do it. It's > > > > This would be a major problem for network installs > Not particularly. Just copy or link all the files into a single tree. > A link farm doesn't take that much space. Takes t

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-24 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Kevin Waterson wrote: > > > > > > 2) Move to 2 CDs distribution: it's definitely time to do it. It's > > This would be a major problem for network installs > Not particularly. Just copy or link all the files into a single tree. A link farm doesn't take that much space. -hpa -- To

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-24 Thread Kevin Waterson
> > > 2) Move to 2 CDs distribution: it's definitely time to do it. It's This would be a major problem for network installs Kevin -- To unsubscribe: mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-24 Thread Matthew Campbell
JF Martinez writes: > I agree about this but I also think there are some programs who are > redundant with other programs in the distrib;, have been obsoleted by > better ones and have no big followship so there is little reason to > keep them. Removing thme would make some space Can you giv

Re: Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-24 Thread JF Martinez
> > I'm sorry if this issue has been discussed before, but I'm not at all > happy with the new rescue method. I've nothing against booting from the > CD, but the fact that the only utilities offered are the ones used during > the installation is something I can only laugh at. Even such vital thin

Available utilities in 'new' rescue mode

1999-10-24 Thread Alex Kanavin
Hello ! I'm sorry if this issue has been discussed before, but I'm not at all happy with the new rescue method. I've nothing against booting from the CD, but the fact that the only utilities offered are the ones used during the installation is something I can only laugh at. Even such vital things