Re: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-07-02 Thread Vance R. Koven
I assume that the use of quotes around constitutional fact is meant to highlight that the phrase is used as an analogy in this situation, which is governed by a statute and not the Constitution. But partly for that reason, I think the danger of a jury's refusal to follow a proper instruction on

Re: Attenuation

2014-07-02 Thread Marty Lederman
Perry: I think this is a very important, and contestable, assumption: Hobby Lobby is using religious reasoning, not secular reasoning [in determining what sort of connection constitutes prohibited complicity]. What is the basis for that assumption? In fact, virtually all theological analysis

Re: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-07-02 Thread Marty Lederman
Thankfully, this issue is now beside the point, but just to repeat, the premise is mistaken: There are not literally millions of women whose policies are exempted. Almost all women in the United States are or soon will be entitled to cost-free contraceptive coverage in their insurance plan. On

RE: Attenuation

2014-07-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
And in the standard complicity-with-evil analyses, including religious ones, the degree of connection that's permissible is affected by the perceived gravity of the harm, which as Marty notes is a religious determination. Gravity of the harm, for example, is part of the material cooperation

Re: Attenuation

2014-07-02 Thread Perry Dane
Steve Jamar wrote: [1] How about owning stock in companies that make and sell contraceptives? They had to sign a contract to do that. [2] The distance between doing the improper thing -- selling, paying for, using contraceptives -- and buying general health insurance with coverages

How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Michael Peabody
Good morning, In reviewing the Hobby Lobby decision, and particularly its extent, I can't help but wonder how far this decision goes. While much of the focus is on the contraceptives themselves, it seems like Hobby Lobby may be to particular contraceptives as Employment Div. v. Smith was to

Degrees of complicity

2014-07-02 Thread Jean Dudley
On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Steven Jamar stevenja...@gmail.com wrote: How about owning stock in companies that make and sell contraceptives? They had to sign a contract to do that. Good question, Steve: Let’s narrow this down a bit—remember, HL only objects to “morning-after”

Re: How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Jean Dudley
On Jul 2, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Michael Peabody peabody...@gmail.com wrote: (and indeed there's no scientific consensus as to whether the contraception causes abortion) Problem with this sentence on two levels: First, contraception is a pretty broad term, and includes things like abstinence,

Re: How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Michael Peabody
Thanks Jean - I was trying to avoid getting into a discussion as to the particulars of the contraception (which is the vehicle for this particular case) by relying on Justice Alito's statement on page 9, footnote 7, which dismissed the dispute over what the drugs actually do (distinguishing

Re: How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Jean Dudley
We’re dealing with some pretty icky stuff, here; zygotes, embryos, fetuses, menstruation, uterine tissues…but if decisions that affect those icky things are made, we really should be willing to speak about them. Now what gets me is there’s an exemption for blood transfusions and

RE: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-07-02 Thread Brian Landsberg
I have long thought, as Sandy does, that Naim v. Naim was a disgrace. It is hardly proof that Brown “did absolutely nothing,” though. Even Gerald Rosenberg’s flawed analysis of Brown does not go that far. Looking more closely at Naim, it seems somewhat less outrageous that the Court waited

RE: How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Tessa Dysart
But aren't the forms of contraception that Hobby Lobby objects to specifically marketed as contraception that can prevent implantation? I know that Plan B is-whether IUDs prevent implantation is perhaps a little more controversial. For people who believe that life begins at fertilization, a

Re: How Far Does Hobby Lobby Decision Potentially Reach?

2014-07-02 Thread Jean Dudley
On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Tessa Dysart tdys...@regent.edu wrote: But IUDs do change the uterine lining, http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/intrauterine-device-iud-for-birth-control, raising the question for some people as to whether they can act to prevent implantation, assuming