Gamaliel: A Historical Question

2011-02-04 Thread Nathan Oman
I have a question for those of you who are familiar with early modern, e.g. 16th and 17th century, debates over religious toleration. Do you know of any writers that used the story of Gamaliel as a justification for toleration. In the NT, Gamaliel is a Pharisee who argues against the persecution

The End of NY's Kosher Inspectors

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Oman
According to the story below, NY has decided to nix its Kosher inspectors as a way of spending money. Does anyone know the details (and citation) for the 2004 case mentioned in the article? Also, I am wondering what precisely the inspectors after the decision. Finally, does anyone know why the i

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toanarbitrat...

2011-01-04 Thread Nathan Oman
I agree with what Steven says here, but with some additions. First, generally foreign law is treated as a question of fact rather than a question of law. This means that the courts don't make their own independent judgment about the content of UK law or the like but are supposed to take evidence

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toanarbitrat...

2011-01-04 Thread Nathan Oman
> I think it important to publicly identify criminal and tortious behavior > with the religious tradition on which it rests. Otherwise, we are > catering to the American societal instinct to whitewash religion to protect > it from its darker corners. > I agree with you in the abstract. You will

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toanarbitration agreement?

2011-01-04 Thread Nathan Oman
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > Point of clarification--So genital mutilation is culturally Islamic as > opposed to theologically Islamic? > FMG is not practiced by the vast majority of Muslims and there is nothing in traditional Islamic law that supports it. My understanding it is tha

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toan arb...

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
explicit gloss. My only point is that rather than exocticizing Islamic law with a few well chosen examples from the popular press, courts ought to understand how it gets used in the context of the contract and transactions they are called on to adjudicate. > > Marci > Sent from my Veriz

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toan arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
> > First, I assume as a matter of contract law that any obligations arising > out of such agreements that involve otherwise illegal conduct are void. So > genital mutilation, trading of girls as wives (or simply for procreation), > aiding polygamy, covering up child abuse when it is required to b

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arb...

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:39 PM, wrote: > Isn't the answer to this question, Eric, that there is no single Sharia > law? Interpretation of Sharia "law" requires a court to pick and choose > between Sharia doctrines. It is not terribly different from the wide > variety of Christian interpretatio

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
> > I’m no great fan of the more expansive readings of Shelly. > But when a government actor is deciding who gets a particular (lucrative) > position based on that person’s religion, it seems to me that state action > is eminently present, or more specifically that the government acto

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
Eugene, In your mind does the constitutional difficulty arise from the court choosing a Muslim arbitrator under the contract or from the enforcement of a contract involving religious terms? Suppose, for example, that the parties had -- pursuant to the contract -- chosen Muslim arbitrators, who ha

Re: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Oman
It seems difficult to find an equal protection violation if the Court is merely enforcing the contract. It seems to me that a more likely constitutional objection would be that the contract cannot be enforced without running afoul of the neutral principles doctrine. Can a court make a decision ab

Re: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-21 Thread Nathan Oman
If you step back from the concrete arguments over accommodation or discrimination claims, I wonder if we have any set of coherent narratives to tell about the relationship between law, religion, and commercial activity. It seems to me that when we talk about the relationship between religion and t

Re: A Constitutional right to make pilgrimage

2010-12-13 Thread Nathan Oman
I tried to find a copy of the complaint online. Has anyone seen it? To second Mr. Stern's suggestion, when I was in practice we successfully sued the Wisconsin prison system for failing to accomodate Halal diets for prisoners. The claim looked dead under Smith, but the prison system was already

RE: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-22 Thread Nathan Oman
oppression to suggest that they get some sort of free pass on the basic commitments of philosophical liberalism, given that they are much more likely to persuade those who disagree with them by appeals to liberalism than by attacks upon it. NBO -- ****** Nathan Oman &quo

Re: Missouri declares Christianity its official religion.

2006-03-03 Thread Nathan Oman
efer. NBO -- ****** Nathan Oman "It is a misleading cult that teaches that the remedy of our ills is to have the law give over, once and for all, the strivings of the centuries for a rational coherence, and sink back in utter weariness to a justice that is the flicke

RE: From the list custodian RE: Pink Triangles and Religious Liberty

2006-01-27 Thread Nathan Oman
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Re: B'nai Brith Canada wins in landmark supreme court case onreligious freedoms

2004-07-01 Thread Nathan Oman
ivate matter set by each individual." >> >> >> >>Established in 1875, B'nai Brith is the Canadian Jewish community's >>leading human rights agency. >> > > > >Douglas Laycock >University of Texas Law School >727 E

Re: The Merits in Newdow

2004-06-14 Thread Nathan Oman
; Thomas, however, would overrule Lee. > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Marty Lederman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "David Cruz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:42 AM >Subject: Link

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-04 Thread Nathan Oman
the conveyance). >> > >Jim- >You would have to say "except, perhaps, in Louisiana and all or part of >Missouri, Iowa, North Dakota, Texas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Nebraska, Kansas, >Wyoming, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Colorado and Montana." >Art >

RE: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-04 Thread Nathan Oman
ion against the church is the first step in stripping a congregation >>of its tax benefits. >> >>"I don't think it's scaring us at all," he said. "It's sort of galvanized >>us, in one sense, (and) I think everybody's sort of saying, 'OK, let&

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-03 Thread Nathan Oman
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Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-01 Thread Nathan Oman
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Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-01 Thread Nathan Oman
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Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-01 Thread Nathan Oman
say to me... 'In this world Elwood' ... >She always used to call me Elwood... 'In this world Elwood, you must be >Oh So Smart, or Oh So Pleasant.' Well for years I was smart -- I >recommend pleasant. You may quote me." --Elwood P. Dowd > >- Mary Chase, "Harvey&q

Re: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-07 Thread Nathan Oman
x27;s values. The Colorado case appears to be >about the difference. > > In the Pledge case, it is progressives who are opposing such >coerced oaths of allegiance. But for too many people on both sides, it >will always be about whose ox is gored. > >At 03:34 PM 4/7/200

RE: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-07 Thread Nathan Oman
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Re: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-07 Thread Nathan Oman
n rewriting the language > to make it less ambiguous. > > > > > > > > > >--- >This article was mailed from The Washington Times >(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040407-124312-3261r.htm) >

Re: NRO Article

2004-03-15 Thread Nathan Oman
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Washington, DC 20008 http://www.law.howard.edu/faculty/pages/jamar/ > >"The modern trouble is in a low capacity to believe in precepts which >restrict and restrain private interests and desires." > >Walter Lippmann > > > > -- Nathan Oman http://www.tutissima.com http://www.timesandseasons.org -- ___ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw

Re: NRO Article

2004-03-15 Thread Nathan Oman
"Perhaps someone should invite Prof. Beckwith to join this list, and we could discuss the issue more directly. As the NRO author points out, Prof. Leiter is respected in his field. Perhaps he knows what he writes about." Leiter or Beckwith? -- Nathan Oman http://www.tutissim

Law and Revolution II

2004-02-04 Thread Nathan Oman
stern legal thinking. Volume II is supposed to look at the impact of the Protestant Reformation. Has anyone seen the book yet? Has anyone read it? Does anyone know if it has been reviewed anywhere yet? Nate Oman -- Nathan Oman http://goodoman.blogspo

RE: Is UCLA violating the Establishment Clause?

2004-01-27 Thread Nathan Oman
Have their been cases involving college and university chaplains? How many schools have such things? At 01:59 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: Doesn't UCLA provide support for chaplains such as office space, telephone service, secretarial staff and the like? What does UCLA's budget look like? I

Re: Is UCLA violating the Establishment Clause?

2004-01-27 Thread Nathan Oman
It is not clear to me if this is from a student organization or from a part of the university. I am assuming from Eugene's comments that it is from the university. At 08:22 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, you wrote: The UCLA Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Campus Resource Center -- which is appa

Re: Civil unions and marriage

2003-12-05 Thread Nathan Oman
Professor Laycock, It is not clear to me that prior to Henry VIII you had an established church in England.  Rather, it seems that the Church was claiming to be a separate sovereign entity beyond the control of the state.  (Harold Berman makes the interesting argument in _Law & Revolution_ that th

Re: Civil unions and marriage

2003-12-05 Thread Nathan Oman
Greetings, I actually am sympathetic to Professor Laycock's solution.  It seems to me that the problems of marriage (at least in our legal tradition) were created by Henry VIII, when the ecclesiastical courts were made into an arm of the state.  It makes sense to give marriage back to the churches

The Next Step After Lawrence

2003-12-02 Thread Nathan Oman
Tom Green, a much prosecuted Utah polygamists, has invoked Lawrence in the Utah Supreme Court, arguing that anti-bigamy laws violate due process. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-prosecuting-polygamy,0,7999530,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines I can't tell much about