[Repeater-Builder] Telewave TPRD-4544 Duplexer

2006-04-21 Thread cmpd1964
I am seeking tuning instructions for the Telewave TPRD-4544 Duplexer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo!

[Repeater-Builder] TXRX Band pass tune up

2006-04-21 Thread Doyle Wenzel
Does any one have the tune up instructions for the TXRX 11-70-01 450 Band pass filter. Thanks Doyle Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL

[Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
Two VHF repeaters in town have been bothered by this from time to time.. The first, which only occasionally gets it, but gets it LOUD when it happens, is 146.730- The second (mine) at 146.850- is getting it almost continuously now, but weak, ranging from will open squelch (even with PL!)

[Repeater-Builder] Dayton Flea Market Space Info:

2006-04-21 Thread skipp025
Please don't repost this message in any following comments. I'm trying to cut down on the inbound spam. Please start with a clean post if you're going to reply back to the group. I received the following information regarding Dayton Flea Market Space Packets: [paste] I've been told that a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anetenna Help

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
I use an SG-7900, which diamond tells me that they don't recommend for mobile use (where ELSE should I put it??) I had the same problem with the roof metal being too flexible. I used a Ryobi Weedeater blade inside, as a giant washer, and another conventional smaller washer on the top. This

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
Congratulations. This phenomemnon is refered to by the Fredom Net Repeater Orginization as The Beast. It is desence that appears + and - 600kHz from the output of any 2M transmitter, If you have a spectrum analyzer connected to your duplexer you will notice grass that comes up only when a carrier

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
I'd be interested in hearing the wav file you recorded, Dave But bear in mind that your comment that it's not coming from either repeater could easily be wrong. As a matter of fact, if you're running a delay in the audio path of either repeater, one of them is most definately involved. It sounds

Re: [Repeater-Builder] back-up battery charging

2006-04-21 Thread Jim Brown
There is a simple way to have a reliable backup battery system without a relay. Try this: Connect your fused repeater power cable directly to the battery terminals, without any intervening devices. Connect your power supply to the battery through a single Schottky diode. Adjust the power

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread skipp025
I'd be interested in hearing the wav file you recorded, Dave As would I... But bear in mind that your comment that it's not coming from either repeater could easily be wrong. As a matter of fact, if you're running a delay in the audio path of either repeater, one of them is most

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in hearing the wav file you recorded, Dave But bear in mind that your comment that it's not coming from either repeater could easily be wrong. As a matter of fact, if you're running a delay in the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
I agree... A quick verify test would be to bypass the delay line. I've not heard the audio in what I get on the 85. The 73 only gets it infrequently, so we'd have to wait months for it to happen. Although both machines run RC-210 controllers now, the 73 had the problem with a cat-1000

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
You must cover a search radius of 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile from the antenna. Problem goes away when you run the repeater into a dummy load, right? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 04:14 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: This is pretty likely. I'm almost alone at my site, sharing with a low power UHF repeater. ---What's the freq(s) of the UHF machine? (that it's running low power has nothing to do with it g). I also assume none of the machines are running an isolator?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Scott Zimmerman
Guys, I think you're missing one detail here. 146.73 minus 146.85 is 1200 KHz. Twice the typical 2 meter split of 600Khz. I'm not sure EXACTLY why it's happening, but the math here has BAD written all over it. Anytime you deal with multiples of your input to output frequency separation, it's

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must cover a search radius of 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile from the antenna. Problem goes away when you run the repeater into a dummy load, right? I can't do that remotely, but commanding the transmitter off does NOT stop

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:14 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: This is pretty likely. I'm almost alone at my site, sharing with a low power UHF repeater. ---What's the freq(s) of the UHF machine? (that it's running low power has

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 12:28 PM 4/21/2006 -0400, you wrote: Guys, I think you're missing one detail here. 146.73 minus 146.85 is 1200 KHz. Twice the typical 2 meter split of 600Khz. ---My intermod program doesn't show any issues with the 4 freqs involved however and I'm not sure what the split itself has to do

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 04:30 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: 460-ish, and no, no isolators. ---Hopefully you can find out the exact freqs Dave. That other repeater could easily be part (or the missing 'link') of the problem. So, where I can hear the wav file? Ken

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tower Climber needed in NJ

2006-04-21 Thread Vincent Caruso
Is anyone or dose anyone know of a good tower climber in NJ at a fair price? We have an opportunity to move a few of our systems to a higher elevation on a 60' tower. Thanks in a advance YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
Scott, your math is off by +10dB. On 4/21/06, Scott Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I think you're missing one detail here. 146.73 minus 146.85 is 1200 KHz. Twice the typical 2 meter split of 600Khz. I'm not sure EXACTLY why it's happening, but the math here has BAD written all

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I think you're missing one detail here. 146.73 minus 146.85 is 1200 KHz. Twice the typical 2 meter split of 600Khz. I'm not sure EXACTLY why it's happening, but the math here has BAD written all

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
With the UHF freqs in the equation, maybe something else will jump out Well, there are three UHF machines involved I guess. 444.375- at the 73 site, and 441.9 at the 85 site, plus this commercial one at my site, that I don't have the freq for. At the 73 site there is normally a 220 machine,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
So, where I can hear the wav file? Can I email it somewhere? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
Dave Whether they're active (actually transmitting) or even supplied with power is irrelevent. If they have an antenna connected to their PAs, that's all that matters in intermod issues. With the new freqs you supplied, still no 1st through 5th order products are found however (although

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
Put it up on my anonymous FTP site. That way anyone who wants to hear it can download it: ftp://ftp.ah6le.net/incoming Once it's there, I'll move it to the /pub directory so everyone can access it Ken At 04:48 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: So, where I can hear the wav file? Can I email it

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put it up on my anonymous FTP site. That way anyone who wants to hear it can download it: ftp://ftp.ah6le.net/incoming Once it's there, I'll move it to the /pub directory so everyone can access it It's there,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 05:09 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's there, enjoy. I've run it through spectrum analysis. The 60 Hz hum is in my soundcard/computer, and you can see the 127.3 PL, but that's encoded by the repeater. The rest is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
Sounds like a definate transmitter being heard by receiver with audio delay to me. Is it always that quieting? Wow Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a definate transmitter being heard by receiver with audio delay to me. Is it always that quieting? Wow I never hear it as loud (apparent deviation change?) as the 73. On the 73 it's a grab the volume

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 05:24 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: I had it zipped, but it didn't make much gain. Not too surprising I guess. ---Saved about a meg when I zipped it, which semed like a worthwhile improvement to me! Ken --

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
Classic 600kHz mix, Find a AM radio and tune it to 600kHz and walk around, you may be supprised. On 4/21/06, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:24 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: I had it zipped, but it didn't make much gain. Not too surprising I guess. ---Saved about a meg when I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 05:28 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: Interesting.. As it happens, I have the HP sig gen handy. Right on the input freq, or slid a bit? ---I would doubt that the interfering signal is going to be exactly that of your sig gen but regardless, the point here is to create an audible heterodyne.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 05:35 PM 4/21/2006 -, you wrote: I just got a phone report of hearing a voice in the noise this morning, but neither of us can hear it on the input. ---Probably matrixing Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Jim B.
It's there, enjoy. I've run it through spectrum analysis. The 60 Hz hum is in my soundcard/computer, and you can see the 127.3 PL, but that's encoded by the repeater. The rest is pretty indistinct in time or frequency, but I hear a repetitiveness to it at about 4 Hz. Kind of like

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anetenna Help

2006-04-21 Thread n . mckie
I use an SG-7900, which diamond tells me that they don't recommend for mobile use (where ELSE should I put it??) Do you really want an answer? g I had the same problem with the roof metal being too flexible. I used a Ryobi Weedeater blade inside, as a giant washer, and another

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread n . mckie
Would you want to believe 146.85 - 146.73 = 0.12 or 120 kHz? Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:28:12 -0400 Guys, I think you're missing one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
Actually it probably would of been better if I measured in octaves, but that would of taken too long and not of been so simple. Just currious, Do you have a AM radio station on 590, 600 or 610KHz in the vincinity? On 4/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only 10 dB ??? Neil

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
I don't seem to be able to upload files at this point. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually it probably would of been better if I measured in octaves, but that would of taken too long and not of been so simple. Just currious, Do you have a AM radio station on 590, 600 or 610KHz in the vincinity?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Telewave TPRD-4544 Duplexer

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/20/2006 10:56 PM, you wrote: I am seeking tuning instructions for the Telewave TPRD-4544 Duplexer. Is that the UHF flatpack with 6 small cylindrical cavities? If so, it's a notch duplexer. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/21/2006 09:09 AM, you wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in hearing the wav file you recorded, Dave But bear in mind that your comment that it's not coming from either repeater could easily be wrong. As a matter of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/21/2006 12:10 PM, you wrote: No, listen to the beginning of each audio segment. It's classic RF feedback with audio delay. Sounds like a Kendecom too. Bob NO6B I'm not sure what you mean here.. The equipment you're listening to is Daniels MT-2 VHF, with 21.5 MHz first IF. OK,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Telewave TPRD-4544 Duplexer

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 12:10 PM 4/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: Is that the UHF flatpack with 6 small cylindrical cavities? If so, it's a notch duplexer. ---No, it's a BP/BR base design: http://www.telewave.com/pdf/TWDS-6014.pdf Ken --

[Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
Yes, but now we're debugging a problem on your repeater, correct? If so, replace the switcher with a linear supply see if the problem continues. Keeps happening with the power supply at my site shut down. I have a relay that I can command from the controller, to shut off the AC input to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anetenna Help

2006-04-21 Thread n . mckie
Top of my garage door is 10' high ... Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anetenna Help Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:06:27 - Ahem ... I use a quarter wave antenna on each band with the NMO

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread DCFluX
Remeber, it isn't nessacarilly your power supply. On 4/21/06, Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but now we're debugging a problem on your repeater, correct? If so, replace the switcher with a linear supply see if the problem continues. Keeps happening with the power supply at

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anetenna Help

2006-04-21 Thread Dave VanHorn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top of my garage door is 10' high ... Mine's a bit lower than that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Dengler
At 4/21/2006 01:24 PM, you wrote: At 01:02 PM 4/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: At 4/21/2006 12:17 PM, you wrote: first. Another common culprit is site video cameras: 38th harmonic of 15.75 kHz is 598.5 kHz, so see if the interfering signal is 1.5 kHz above or below your input. Since your RX

[Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 + MASTRII

2006-04-21 Thread Paul Guello
I'm trying to interface a NHRC-2 controller into a Mastr II repeater station (the continuos duty actual repeater). The GE controller works fine. But if I connect the NHRC and pull the GE then keying up lasts about a second then it un-keys and re-keys continuosly until you release the handheld.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Lee Williams
You wouldnt hear the sync buzz,your rx is to narrow! I live with the beast here,coming from a neighbors house who wont let me find or fix it. It mixes with ANY vhf signal and sends it back at me every 10khz up and down the band. I can get away from it if I offset either the rx or tx freq

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: That horrible noise

2006-04-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 08:58 PM 4/21/2006 -0400, you wrote: You wouldnt hear the sync buzz,your rx is to narrow! --I ABSOLUTE disagree with this. You can easily hear sync buzz on a NBFM receiver. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom

[Repeater-Builder] Two CTCSS Tones out of One TX

2006-04-21 Thread Kevin Natalia Mitchell
Hi All, I am wanting to use one TX from our repeater site, to link to two link RX's, these are on opposite sides of the repeater. I was thinking about having two different CTCSS tones, one for each, and then having the TX generate the two tones together. This way I can use one freq., but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 + MASTRII

2006-04-21 Thread Jim Brown
Paul, the NHRC-2 uses an opto isolator in the input COR circuit and it can be a little hard to drive from the GE COS signal. You might try using the RUS signal as your COR input and see how that goes. If RUS is not following the COR, you might have to cut a jumper (H-41 to H-42 on the System

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Two CTCSS Tones out of One TX

2006-04-21 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
I did run 162.2 and 192.8 on a HT90 and it did work with a Micor and M Pro receiver on the station end. Newer digital tone decoders will not work because the agregate of the two tones will cause the tone to look like the sum of the two, but it will excite a decoder reed, or frequency selective