Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread DCFluX
I don't know if you have tried this or not, but do you have desense with the duplexer into a dummy load? Or does it just show up when you hook up an antenna? Switch mode power supplies are famous for putting out noise on 600kHz, such as found in battery chargers in boats and RVs. We recently had

[Repeater-Builder] Re: On The Air!

2008-10-07 Thread Joe Burkleo
Mark, That is great news. You are to be complimented for not giving up on the sometimes difficult Micor. 73, Joe - WA7JAW -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new Joliet East GMRS repeater is ON-THE-AIR! 462.5500 PL 156.7 Thanks to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Paul N1BUG
Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: I have a strange feeling that it’s arching around the fingerstock. The inner tuning tubes showed definite signs of wear, but I THOUGHT the fingerstock was making good contact. Is there any ‘approved’ conductive lubricant for that area? Your problem sounds a lot

RE: [Repeater-Builder] On The Air!

2008-10-07 Thread n9wys
Yes it is, George. Mark - WQIV271/N9WYS (LAG 1970) -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of George Henry Is that affiliated with the LAG (Lakes Area GMRS) Group, Mark? George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 LAG 951 - Original Message - From: n9wys [EMAIL

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
With the tee connector split and the TX side going into a dummy load, there is no desense. If I reconnect the tee and go to the -8920, the desense is back. The tee's are MILSPEC connectors. same ones that have always been on there. Unless something catastrophic happened, I don't THINK any of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Joel
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I urge you to avoid jumping to any conclusions, before you determine the cause of the problem. With all due respect, I think it is premature to condemn any component of your repeater until you have

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
No worries, Eric. I'm not giving up yet! I just want to be able to offer the answer to the inevitable 'worst case scenario' question. I definitely agree with you though. I'm a newbie to repeater stuff, but I've been juggling electrons for a long time and know that sometimes you've got to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: On The Air!

2008-10-07 Thread n9wys
Thanks Joe! It certainly helps to have the correct parts! That Master Decoder card was the Achilles Heel. Once I got the correct card, it worked like a charm! wink This is why I love the hobby so much... I have NO formal electronics training - all of mine has been self-taught. Yet I was able

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
Not sure what you're asking, but if you're asking about spurs, she's a clean as a whistle. VSWR is fine as well. ... as determined by what? Just because you can't see it with your service monitor doesn't mean a problem isn't there. Something different to try Take a different

[Repeater-Builder] WTD - Moto TLN8381A Micor rx reed - 100.0

2008-10-07 Thread J Roden
As the subject says, I'm in need of a 100.0 reed for a Micor receiver.  I have a 103.5 or 156.7 to swap if that helps you any.  This is the slightly larger reed than the transmit (and other equipment) uses. Please email direct. Thanks Mike/W5JR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] re...: duplexor specs

2008-10-07 Thread Randy
I have a RxTx Cavity Filter, Vari-Notch number: 15-14-01 Does anyone have any information on the capabilities of this? I've already checked Kevins site: Repeater BuilderDuplexor Specs...

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Skipp, Please explain your first statement. if I can't see it on the spectrum analyzer, then what is it? No circulator/isolator in line during test. VSWR is indetectable between the TX and the cans. If I lower the power enough, the desense goes away. just as I'd expect. It's a matter

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Paul, I've been thinking the same thing. I hate to tear them apart again, but I want to clean the metal-to-metal surfaces again. I can hear the fingerstock scraping against the inner tube... not a BAD scraping... just what sounds like good metal-to-metal contact. I was also thinking about

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood battery back-up

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 03:44 PM 10/06/08, you wrote: Our club has recently acquired a TKR-750 and a TKR-850, to replace an aging hodgepodge of repeater components. Both the TKR's are co-located and share a Link RLC controller. We want to use the excellent battery-backup provisions of the TKR's, WHAT

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood battery back-up

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
Our club has recently acquired a TKR-750 and a TKR-850, to replace an aging hodgepodge of repeater components. Both the TKR's are co-located and share a Link RLC controller. We want to use the excellent battery-backup provisions of the TKR's, with a Wal-Mart marine battery. We plan to

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood battery back-up

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
WHAT excellent battery backup provisions? It's a simple changeover circuit, and the Kenwood internal trickle charger is a joke. Actually it works pretty well for what it is and claims to be... a battery trickle charger. with a Wal-Mart marine battery. You'll be sorry. A marine

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
Please explain your first statement. if I can't see it on the spectrum analyzer, then what is it? Don't know until you nail down the exact cause, which a service monitor might not always clearly indicate, regardless of type and how you use it. No circulator/isolator in line during test.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread chartmd83
Good Evening Mike, I'm afraid I agree with Eric, The problems you are experiencing are not common, when you stated you moved the crystals from the Mark 4 to the spare and are experiencing the same result, was this with the same set of cans? If it was then try two mobiles on the same set of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Jacob Suter
I've never worked with cans or repeaters, but I've witnessed similar issues caused by oxidation/corrosion. Have you tried using a conductive grease on the housing joints and the rods? It appears silver-based grease is suggested for all applications above 50 mhz. Good luck! Jacob

[Repeater-Builder] Wanted: Motorola Mitrek VHF

2008-10-07 Thread Howard
I am trying to find a couple of VHF Mitreks for convertion to repeater use and am having difficulty finding them locally. I have checked a few websites with no success, and am looking for suggestions on other websites that might offer these at surplus prices. Any advice appreciated. 73 de

[Repeater-Builder] racom 1300 identifier manual wanted

2008-10-07 Thread Garry W Tidler
need information on a Racom model 1300 Morse Code Station Identifier Building a backup repeater for the K9TRC/R which is down at this time. Need: Manual Software ? interface cable ? What do I need to program this indentifier? Garry WW9GT

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB4060 Duplexer Internal Plunger/rod cleaning.

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
I have been known to carefully clamp a cavity tuning rod into my hand-held (9.6v) Makita drill chuck and fairly slow-run the tuning plunger (rod) a few times through it's near entire range (end-to-end). Then retuning it to square one. In the case where I suspect pitting on the internal

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Paul N1BUG
Mike, I can hear the fingerstock scraping against the inner tube... not a BAD scraping... just what sounds like good metal-to-metal contact. That is normal. The reason I asked is mine had stopped making that noise. It was almost completely silent when I rotated the knobs. That was one of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] racom 1300 identifier manual wanted

2008-10-07 Thread wd8chl
Garry W Tidler wrote: need information on a Racom model 1300 Morse Code Station Identifier Building a backup repeater for the K9TRC/R which is down at this time. Need: Manual Software ? interface cable ? What do I need to program this indentifier? Garry WW9GT Well, here's the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Ralph Hogan
While we are on the subject of the DB4060/62, I've got a couple of dead cans with a bad tuning cap. Does anyone have a source I can call to buy some of the Johanson 5602 tuning caps? Some of the Johanson distributors don't stock it and require a big min order. I've looked at Nebraska Surplus and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] racom 1300 identifier manual wanted

2008-10-07 Thread Doug Bade
Yes Jim is correct.. 1300 needed a prom.. 1400 was dipswitch, The 1400 had the fancy features, the 1300 was stripped down to basics and offered to amateur as well as commercial.. as more of an entry level box... the newer units have pc programming if I am not mistaken, but the 1300 and 1400

[Repeater-Builder] Re: re...: duplexor specs

2008-10-07 Thread Randy
--- Thankyou.. . . .. In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TXRX 15/14/01 is a 38 to 50 mhz single cavity, vari-notch style. Lance N2HBA - Original Message - From: Randy To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wanted: Motorola Mitrek VHF

2008-10-07 Thread Randy
---How many do you want? I have afew that I have'nt dismantled yet... In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find a couple of VHF Mitreks for convertion to repeater use and am having difficulty finding them locally. I have checked a few websites

[Repeater-Builder] Re: racom 1300 identifier manual wanted

2008-10-07 Thread Randy
---http://www.retrevo.com/s/Racom+1300?sub.x=42sub.y=15 . In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Garry W Tidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: need information on a Racom model 1300 Morse Code Station Identifier Building a backup repeater for the K9TRC/R which is down at this time. Need: Manual

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
The problem occurs into both the antenna system and the -8920 with two totally different repeaters. There is no external PA. I've already said that the duplexers are bad. they're the only common component. This is all basic troubleshooting! Mike WM4B From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB4060 Duplexer Internal Plunger/rod cleaning.

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Great minds think alike. Now that I know how to get the blasted knobs off I'm going to try that. I did swap RX and TX for that very reason and had pretty much the same problem. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Gary Schafer
Mike, How are you measuring the desense? How are you connecting the signal generator to the receiver? What are you using for an indicator of sensitivity on the receiver, sinad, quieting etc? I am assuming that you are replacing the antenna line with a dummy load at the output junction

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Gary, At this juncture, I'm not getting scientific about the actual desense measurement, but I can tell you it's in the ten's of dBs. At this point, I'm using Kevin's method. signal generator connected to the cans with the cans connected to the repeater normally. I set the signal generator

[Repeater-Builder] Icom repeater

2008-10-07 Thread Maire-Radios
Subject: Icom repeater I have 2 demo Icom FR-4000-3 repeaters for sale Will program to your GMRS channels, tones and call sign. $800.00 each and shippingFL address add sales tax. thank you, John (727) 441-3250

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood battery backup

2008-10-07 Thread Chappy
Many thanks for all the replies and the expertise that this list is known for. Maybe excellent wasn't the best choice of words to describe the Kenwood TKR battery backup system, but here are some of the reasons why we like it: The switchover circuit and the trickle charger are builit in,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread Gary Schafer
Hi Mike, I am a little confused as to how you are coupling the signal generator to the receiver. When you have the tx and rx connected to the duplexer normally and a dummy load on the output T (that would normally feed the antenna line) how are you coupling the signal generator to the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense has me pulling my hair out! (Was DB4060 Duplexer Cables

2008-10-07 Thread skipp025
Something I would try, which I would not recommend to others is to rotate the tuning plungers and maybe the cap(s) with the unit under power making trouble. I have used this method to find grunge makers, which turned out to be plunger pitting, capacitor problems and hydroscopic sourced