Re: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-17 Thread Don Kupferschmidt
Nate, My sincerest thoughts are with you in this time. Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc

Re: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-17 Thread La Rue Communications
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.) On Aug 15, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Jeff DePolo wrote: Whoever said time is money was an idiot. Time is worth inifinitely times

Re: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-16 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 15, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Jeff DePolo wrote: Whoever said time is money was an idiot. Time is worth inifinitely times more than money. You can make more money. You can even borrow money. Hell, if you were desparate you could even steal money. You can't do any of those things with time.

Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: I disagree. I would accept the notion that the transmitter may not be happy (and I put that in quotes not to mock you, but becuase I can't come up with a better word either) because it is not *properly matched* when looking into a 50+j0 load.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: Well, kinda. Many duplexers are spec'ed for 1.5:1 (14 dB RL) input VSWR max. Fortunately, I rarely see any that are that bad. I'll gladly trade off a tenth of a dB of insertion loss for several (if not 10 or more) dB of return loss improvement

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
Hi Kevin: Regarding temperature, our club has a site, no A/C or heat, where temperatures inside the shelter can get below +20 deg F in winter, and well over 130 deg F in the summer heat. I can't imagine filter tuning not changing under such conditions, Invar or not. I can see over time

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Joe
I don't know about that. Anritsu SiteMaster and CellMaster test sets are fairly common test equipment available to cell techs here in Connecticut. Whether they use them (or know how) is another thing. Joe On 8/15/2010 2:59 AM, Nate Duehr wrote: What's up with the RF industry not buying

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
But why? If all of the power (or, let's hope, at least 99.99% of it) is on-channel, *should* a properly-designed and properly-functioning transmitter misbehave due to the poor match a duplexer presents at frequencies far removed from the channel center? Well yes, properly

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Actually I think that even though Service Monitors have finally become *relatively* commonplace in the Ham Shack, the VNA is not something most hams have seen or know how to use. For $100, Rick's (Amtronix) return loss bridge is a must-have for anyone that has a SM with a SA/TG. With it,

RE: Properly designed PAs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.)

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff, out of all the PAs you've seen out there, both commonly used and not-so-common... which ones (in your opinion) are properly designed (when working right)? I think a lot of them, generally speaking, are properly designed. That's not to say that some of them don't have some downsides or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I've brought that issue up a few times, and usually get the blank radio shack salesman type of stare. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:45:47 PM PDT From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com There is no simple rule of thumb, and if anybody tells you that there is, ask

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
Russ, Of course the Bird 43 does not measure power directly. But it does sample voltage AND current on the line in amounts that are combined to indicate power. It is a directional coupler. The only time you will have a problem with it deviating from its accuracy is when the directivity

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Mark
Agreed!! Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon (major snippage) This discussion is both informative and quite entertaining! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
I see some folks are heading for the Advil. My apologies. Thanks, Gary, for admitting the 43 doesn't measure power directly. One myth down. Of course, it is a directional coupler, no argument. That makes it a reflectometer, it enables the instrument to isolate forward/reflected samples

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
Hi again Russ, _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Hines Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. I see some folks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
, August 15, 2010 4:54 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. I see some folks are heading for the Advil. My apologies. Thanks, Gary, for admitting the 43 doesn't measure power directly. One myth down. Of course, it is a directional

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Custer
Russ Hines wrote: Hi Kevin: Regarding temperature, our club has a site, no A/C or heat, where temperatures inside the shelter can get below +20 deg F in winter, and well over 130 deg F in the summer heat. I can't imagine filter tuning not changing under such conditions, Invar or not. I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Gary Schafer
, August 15, 2010 7:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. Last round. Hi again, Gary. ;-) On 8/15/2010 7:09 PM, Gary Schafer wrote: Hi again Russ, _ From: mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Jeff DePolo
I know I'm going to regret stepping into this one, but since when has that stopped me before... Thanks, Gary, for admitting the 43 doesn't measure power directly. What do you mean by measure power directly? If you're talking about comparing a thruline measurement against

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-15 Thread Russ Hines
*From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Hines *Sent:* Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:37 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. Last

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
Because the impedance is not matched between the transmitter and duplexer, the 'apparent' loss of the duplexer is greater than the manufacturers stated loss of the duplexer. Changing the cable length is not changing the loss of the duplexer, it's changing the power that is accepted at

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Chuck Kelsey
: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. Because the impedance is not matched between the transmitter and duplexer, the 'apparent' loss of the duplexer is greater than the manufacturers stated loss of the duplexer. Changing the cable length is not changing the loss of the duplexer, it's changing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Joe
On 8/14/2010 8:44 AM, Jeff DePolo wrote: But if the duplexer is tuned to 50 ohms, and the cable is 50 ohms, varying the cable length isn't going to change the Z seen by the transmitter. Or are you suggesting the duplexer is purposely de-tuned from 50 ohms? I use a Network Analyzer to tune

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Custer
Jeff DePolo wrote: Because the impedance is not matched between the transmitter and duplexer, the 'apparent' loss of the duplexer is greater than the manufacturers stated loss of the duplexer. Changing the cable length is not changing the loss of the duplexer, it's changing the power that is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Custer
Kevin Custer wrote: Joe Ham buys a new duplexer and hooks it up to his 110 Watt MASTR II repeater and gets 50 watts out the antenna port. He does his homework and realizes that he should only be loosing 29% Wow -* loosing -* that should have been losing - that's what I get for being in a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Custer
Kevin Custer wrote: I had one instance of a ham radio club loosing PA's left and right on their 2M machine. Indeed - I am loosing my mind - grin K

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Custer Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:15 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. Kevin Custer wrote: Joe Ham buys a new duplexer

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Ross Johnson
So will someone post a simple rule of thumb. If you have the option of optimizing cable length from PA to first cavity, IE you haven't made them yet what's the best simple rule of thumb to follow to build them to avoid reactance. 1/2wl if allowed minus coupling loop depth? Or is that past a simple

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Ross Johnson
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. So will someone post a simple rule of thumb. If you have the option of optimizing cable length from PA to first cavity, IE you haven't made them yet what's the best simple rule of thumb to follow to build them to avoid reactance. 1/2wl if allowed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Russ Hines
That's because there are as many rules as there are thumbs. ;-) I don't know about anyone else, but I can tell you about the highly scientific method I use. I start with a multiple of 1/2 electrical wavelength and trim as necessary. I'd stay away from an odd-multiple of 1/4 wavelength in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Russ Hines
Some related comments, if you don't mind. Temperature changes seem to be the biggest detuner of largely mechanical devices like cavity duplexers. We often send our repeaters off to live in less-than-ideal environments, then expect cavity input/output impedances to remain as we measured them

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Gary Schafer
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Hines Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.73 Some related comments, if you don't mind. Temperature changes seem

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Custer
Russ Hines wrote: Some related comments, if you don't mind. Temperature changes seem to be the biggest detuner of largely mechanical devices like cavity duplexers. We often send our repeaters off to live in less-than-ideal environments, then expect cavity input/output impedances to remain

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Custer
Ross Johnson wrote: So will someone post a simple rule of thumb... If you have the option of optimizing cable length from PA to first cavity, IE you haven't made them yet what's the best simple rule of thumb to follow to build them to avoid reactance. 1/2wl if allowed minus coupling loop

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff, you aren't stepping on my toes at all. Glad to see your comments. OK, good. Since you've never met me, I can assure you, you definately DO NOT want me stepping on your toes, it would be painful. I do have to agree with Kevin that most duplexer manufacturers recommend different cable

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
So will someone post a simple rule of thumb. If you have the option of optimizing cable length from PA to first cavity, IE you haven't made them yet what's the best simple rule of thumb to follow to build them to avoid reactance. 1/2wl if allowed minus coupling loop depth? Or is that past

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Jeff DePolo
OK, I think, for the most part, we're on the same page. I'm cuttin' and trimmin' a lot here... And this is where I believe the duplexer manufacturers are covering their butt. They don't want the problem with complex reactance presented by the duplexer to be their problem. Not that I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-14 Thread Gary Schafer
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. Jeff, you aren't

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Jeff DePolo
I must have missed some posts - my inbox ran out of space (I'm on the road and not checking email as often as I usually do), so my apologies if I'm asking questions that have already been answered... Allan Crites and I are currently in discussion which will be used as the basis of a RB web

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-13 Thread Kevin Custer
Jeff DePolo wrote: Maybe I'm not understanding right. Are you saying that by varying the cable length between the transmitter and the duplexer that you can affect the insertion loss of the duplexer? No. Because the impedance is not matched between the transmitter and duplexer, the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-06 Thread Jeff DePolo
The cable length issue is a brother to if you don't like your VSWR, change the point along the transmission line where you're measuring it. I don't know what that's supposed to mean. The VSWR on the line is the same no matter where along the line you measure it. If you're using a meter

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-06 Thread allan crites
And a new perspective on transmission lines. I didn't think it was worth responding to, Jeff. AC   WA9ZZU. From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 8:23:09 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-06 Thread Steven M Hodell
Grab your Smith chart! LOL - Original Message - From: allan crites To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. And a new perspective on transmission lines. I didn't think

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-06 Thread Russ Hines
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Fri, August 6, 2010 8:23:09 AM *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc. The cable length issue is a brother to if you don't like your VSWR, change the point along the transmission

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-05 Thread Doug Hutchison
Hi Kevin and all who responded to my question. Thank you, good info in the link provided by Kevin along with other interesting guidelines. More for the file. Regards, Doug - GM7SVK On 04/08/2010 11:04 PM, Kevin Custer wrote: Doug Hutchison wrote: Does the length of coax connecting

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Hines
Thanks, guys, a good topic and one that always seems to come up. And it sparks more questions and comments, of course. The cable length issue is a brother to if you don't like your VSWR, change the point along the transmission line where you're measuring it. By changing the length of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-05 Thread Kevin Custer
Russ Hines wrote: Thanks, guys, a good topic and one that always seems to come up. And it sparks more questions and comments, of course. The cable length issue is a brother to if you don't like your VSWR, change the point along the transmission line where you're measuring it. By changing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length, etc.

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Hines
Thanks for the reply, Kevin. I'm looking forward to seeing the article. 73, Russ WB8ZCC On 8/5/2010 1:20 PM, Kevin Custer wrote: Russ Hines wrote: Thanks, guys, a good topic and one that always seems to come up. And it sparks more questions and comments, of course. The cable length

[Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread Doug Hutchison
Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Doug

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread n5sxq.0
Doug Hutchison specialq@ntlworld.com wrote: Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Doug As long as the filters are working correctly, the cable length from the duplexers to the radios tx and rx does not matter. Having said that, remember

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread Kevin Custer
Doug Hutchison wrote: Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Yes - and no. Please read the note about cabling lengths between the repeater and the duplexer in the section on page 4 of the following document:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread Doug Hutchison
I will do sir, thank you Kevin. Doug On 04/08/2010 23:04:07, Kevin Custer (kug...@kuggie.com) wrote: Doug Hutchison wrote: Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Yes - and no. Please read the note about cabling lengths between the repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread no6b
At 8/4/2010 14:37, you wrote: Doug Hutchison specialq@ntlworld.com wrote: Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Doug As long as the filters are working correctly, the cable length from the duplexers to the radios tx and rx does not

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length

2010-08-04 Thread Chuck Kelsey
04, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length At 8/4/2010 14:37, you wrote: Doug Hutchison specialq@ntlworld.com wrote: Does the length of coax connecting cable between repeater and filters matter? Doug As long as the filters are working correctly, the cable

[Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Hi guys .I am just wanted to confirm a question on coax shielding . With 2-10 watts transmitting through rg213u could rf be escaping that could cause desensitization to other radios .The repeater I have setup uses 9 meters of heliax from the main diplexer to ant and rg213u from the link radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
At UHF, possibly, at VHF unlikely... you did not specify :-) How close are the frequencies??? Lots of details left out for us to help. If the freq's are within a few hundred kiloherts at vhf, antenna separation is probably the issue... More details please?? Doug KD8B kerincom wrote: Hi

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
To: mail=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Hi guys .I am just wanted to confirm a question on coax shielding . With 2-10 watts transmitting through rg213u could rf be escaping that could cause desensitization to other radios .The repeater I have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
or 0749922574 www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au ---Original Message--- From: Doug Bade Date: 6/28/2010 12:59:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding At UHF, possibly, at VHF unlikely... you did not specify :-) How close are the frequencies

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kerincom Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:51 AM To: mail=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Hi guys .I am

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Ian, RG-213 coax can definitely contribute to desense, as can cheap connectors and adapters. I suggest making up new jumpers using double-shielded coax such as RG-400 or RG-214, and fit these jumpers with high-quality, crimp-on connectors of the correct

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white noise generated by a transmitter on other frequencies that is most likely to cause desense to a co located rx. Assuming you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
--- From: Doug Bade Date: 6/28/2010 1:44:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white noise generated by a transmitter on other

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
-Builder] Coax shielding Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white noise generated by a transmitter on other frequencies that is most likely to cause desense to a co

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread kerincom
--- From: Doug Bade Date: 6/28/2010 2:08:45 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding In theory most xtal radios are quieter than synthesized ones, but a filter would seem to be the better thing to do as it really stops the problem...even

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Doug Bade
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Ian; It would seem that at uhf ~30mhz away cable leakage in the shed would seem to be less likely than antenna to antenna interference. In general it is the white noise generated by a transmitter on other

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding

2010-06-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
mailto:wb6...@verizon.net Date: 6/28/2010 1:24:37 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax shielding Ian, RG-213 coax can definitely contribute to desense, as can cheap connectors and adapters. I suggest making up new

[Repeater-Builder] Coax Connectors

2010-05-07 Thread sjotrollet
In part of an estate we're helping with, there are about 30 lbs of coax connectors and adapters, UHF, N, RCA, F, SMA, BNC, et. al. Some new, some used. Prices from 50-cents to about $3.00 for the new ones. If interested, contact me offline and I'll send you a list (too long to clutter up the group

Re: {Disarmed} [Repeater-Builder] Coax Connectors

2010-05-07 Thread Max Kelley
List, please! -- Max Kelley KC2SPY www.maxkelley.com On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 21:22 +, sjotrollet wrote: In part of an estate we're helping with, there are about 30 lbs of coax connectors and adapters, UHF, N, RCA, F, SMA, BNC, et. al. Some new, some used. Prices from 50-cents to

[Repeater-Builder] coax cable

2009-09-13 Thread bobeic2
looking for info on which type of coax cable to use for my GMRS repeater ant will be 100 in the air

RE: [Repeater-Builder] coax cable

2009-09-13 Thread Eric Lemmon
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bobeic2 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] coax cable looking for info on which type of coax cable to use for my GMRS repeater ant will be 100 in the air

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question - THANKS FOR REPLIES

2009-03-02 Thread Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle
: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question Sounds mechanically similar to Times Microwave LMR-400 to me. I agree with the other poster on using silver crimp-type connectors. I don't like the cheaper chrome/nickel plated crimp connectors. The threaded portions tend to flake when being

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question - THANKS FOR REPLIES

2009-03-02 Thread Barry
Remeber a dab of solder in case and some sealant like telstra strip strip To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: spar...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:02:54 +1300 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question - THANKS FOR REPLIES To All

[Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle
Hi Guys, Sorry about addressing this question here, but I know it has been talked about before and I know there is a lot of knowledge from experence hooking up repeaters. Okay, my question. At my work they have been installing and upgrading our wireless Lan systems. In the process of the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread Eric Lemmon
Of Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question Hi Guys, Sorry about addressing this question here, but I know it has been talked about before and I know there is a lot of knowledge

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle
: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question Kevin, It will probably be okay in a non-duplex application. Belden 7810A cable is a variant of RG-8 and has a #10 solid aluminum center conductor with a copper cladding. The shield comprises a tinned copper

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread Jacob Suter
(obviously nothing in radio years, but.) JS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread jgielis
JS may I ask, could you expand on the brand of or link to: quote automotive “gasket maker” end quote tnx John VK4JKL Jacob Suter wrote: Sounds mechanically similar to Times Microwave LMR-400 to me. I agree with the other poster on using silver crimp-type connectors. I don’t like the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question

2009-03-01 Thread Barry
http://www.eham.net/forums/StationBuilding/861 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: spar...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:28:32 +1300 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Cable - Question Hi Guys, Sorry about addressing this question here, but I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-22 Thread Nate Duehr
... just giving me the willies. Nate -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John J. Riddell Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax

[Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Alexander N Tubonjic
I am wanting to swap out the BNC receiver connector to an N connector on my Kenwood TKR-750 2 meter repeater. After contacting Kenwood and getting quoted some crack prices I figured I'd see if anyone has anything laying around or has any ideas on here. I've got the BNC Connector and the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Ken Arck
At 08:42 AM 1/21/2009, Alexander N Tubonjic wrote: I am wanting to swap out the BNC receiver connector to an N connector on my Kenwood TKR-750 2 meter repeater. My first and only question is why? Ken --

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread k7pfj
Alex, I have had over 30 of these repeaters in use and never ran into a problem using the BNC. I would leave well enough alone if it were me. If you do this you wont take care of the issue you may be thinking your going to fix by doing so. I have a 5 ch system UHF LTR on Cheyenne Mt just

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Mike Pugh
Alexander N Tubonjic wrote: I am wanting to swap out the BNC receiver connector to an N connector on my Kenwood TKR-750 2 meter repeater. After contacting Kenwood and getting quoted some crack prices I figured I'd see if anyone has anything laying around or has any ideas on here. Why?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread John J. Riddell
: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater) Alexander N Tubonjic wrote: I am wanting to swap out the BNC receiver connector to an N connector on my Kenwood TKR-750 2 meter repeater. After contacting Kenwood and getting quoted some crack prices I figured I'd see if anyone has

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Mike Pugh
John J. Riddell wrote: Mike, the BNC connector was designed for quick insertion / disconnect and works very well in most applications. I keep forgetting why I don't post here very often. You're absolutely correct John. I never said that they were permanent substitutes for each other, I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Gary Schafer
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater) John J

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Jim Brown
cabling we always used BNC and the wideband tape recorders were always delivered with BNC connectors. 73 - Jim  W5ZIT --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Mike Pugh mikep...@mikepugh.net wrote: From: Mike Pugh mikep...@mikepugh.net Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater) To: Repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread Maire-Radios
and may I ask why? is there a problem with the factory set up? thanks - Original Message - From: Alexander N Tubonjic To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater) I am

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread no6b
At 1/21/2009 10:10, you wrote: There is a reason why Kenwood engineers made the repeater with the BNC and not a N Connector. Cost. BTW you can use RG-214 with BNCs, but I wouldn't hang 6 ft. of RG-214 perpendicularly off of one. I use RG-223, try to keep the lengths down to 3 ft. if it's

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Interconnect (Inside Repeater)

2009-01-21 Thread no6b
At 1/21/2009 15:13, you wrote: One caveat: While a type N male will plug into a BNC female, the N center pin is a little larger than that of a BNC. Doing this will expand the sleeves in the female BNC and when you go to put a BNC male back in (with the smaller pin) it may not make good contact

[Repeater-Builder] Coax Jumpers

2008-11-28 Thread Mike Mullarkey
If anybody is looking for a killer deal on RG142 coax jumpers you may want to check these out on EBay before you build them. You cant even get the connectors and cable for this price and there new. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help

2008-10-02 Thread KD4PBC
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help No problem on the link, Mike. Glad it as the same stuff! A 1/4-wave cable on an open circuit introduces a short... If I remember correctly (and I'm sure if I'm wrong others will correct me!) you need a 1/2-wave cable between cans. Mark

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help

2008-10-01 Thread n9wys
Mike, Are there any other markings on the cable? Specifically, I'd be looking for the following: FSJ1-50A This is 1/4 Superflex - about the same size as RG-8X... Velocity factor for this (FSJ1-50A) cable is 84% http://awapps.commscope.com/catalog/product_details.aspx?id=1342 Mark - N9WYS

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help

2008-10-01 Thread Mike Reed
7:01 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help Mike, Are there any other markings on the cable? Specifically, I'd be looking for the following: FSJ1-50A This is 1/4 Superflex - about the same size as RG-8X... Velocity factor for this (FSJ1-50A) cable is 84% http://awapps.commscope.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help

2008-10-01 Thread n9wys
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Help Mike, Are there any other markings on the cable? Specifically, I'd be looking for the following: FSJ1-50A This is 1/4 Superflex - about the same size as RG-8X... Velocity factor for this (FSJ1-50A) cable

[Repeater-Builder] Coax Help

2008-09-30 Thread n7zef
Howdy; I was given today 2 pieces of mini-hardline marked Andrews Type 204909. It is the size of mini-8. I think this is 50 ohm, but what would be the velocity factor of it? I want to use it to make lines for 146.7/146.1 and 443.3/448.3 between radio and cavitys. Putting on the ends, does it

RE: [Repeater-Builder] coax length

2008-09-24 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
you. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:14 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coax length John, Very well then, I guess I need to be shopping

RE: [Repeater-Builder] coax length

2008-09-24 Thread n9wys
Collin, A guy local to me (WD9HSY) sells them - rated at 200W - on a certain auction site. Normal cost is about $59.00. If you do a search for dummy load it will pop up for you. Although not costing an arm and a leg these might qualify for a finger or two... ;-) They are very nice loads...

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coax length

2008-09-24 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] coax length To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:14 AM John, Very well then, I guess I need to be shopping

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