Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-21 Thread wd8chl
atms169 wrote: > I don't have any test equipment that would work for the digital dstar > so it's more of a trial and error thing. There ought to be an analog mode...if there isn't, Icom made a HUGE fubar!

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-21 Thread Thomas Oliver
At this point if you need to use the amplifier your best bet is to just reduce the output until the desense goes away and call it good. tom > [Original Message] > From: atms169 > To: > Date: 5/20/2009 10:52:37 PM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Re

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-21 Thread Milt
internals to an analog state to do desense testing? Milt N3LTQ - Original Message - From: "atms169" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? >I have opened both repeaters. The VHF already had the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
I have opened both repeaters. The VHF already had the blue hardline in it, the UHF however I replaced with superflex. I may try something different. Hardline up the tower and for a patch cord (about 10 feet) up the mast I'll use superflex. I'll have to play around and see what I have still.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
I was originally leaning in that direction, purchasing 2 more cans and a new phasing harness. I was told to stop what I was doing and rethink by other hams. I think you are right. I will order the new cans and make another trip to San Antonio to see Don. Don, if your reading.. I'm a headin up

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread wa1nh
I am going to ask a question that might sound stupid but, based upon Icom's ignorance, I need to ask. Did you ever open the repeater case on the 2m repeater and replace the rg-58 patch cables that are zip tied to each other to connect the rf modules to the rear of the case before adding your p

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread Kris Kirby
On Wed, 20 May 2009, Eric Lemmon wrote: > I think we've found the cause of your desense: The TPRD-1454 > duplexer, which has four 5" cans, is rated at 77 dB isolation, and is > marginal with 20 watts TX and RX sensitivity of 0.4 uV- which calls > for at least 82 dB isolation. At 100 watts, 95

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
nesday, May 20, 2009 5:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? Sorry about that, the model number is TPRD-1454 Aaron --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread de W5DK
-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atms169 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? Hey Don, yeah good to hear ya! Well, the system is at my house. If I could find a tower (Trust me I have

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
Hey Don, yeah good to hear ya! Well, the system is at my house. If I could find a tower (Trust me I have looked around) then that would make the world of difference. Its up on my tower about 60 feet (Both UHF and VHF). The VHF has pretty good coverage. The UHF not so much, probably half of t

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread de W5DK
Aaron, Howdy again neighbor! Don't start spreading rumors that its flat in Texas, it's all downhill to the beach.on second thought it IS flat and the water is bad Are these the cavities I tuned for you last fall? If so guys these are typical specs for 4 cans BPBR. Sorry but I couldn't

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
Yeah that is a good question. All we do is test from a portable a few miles from the repeater. Low power settings on TX for the portable. Test with the amp inline and the amp out of the equation. I find very quickly there is something wrong. That's all I can do, I can't vary the output power

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread Gary Schafer
by > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:03 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? > > On Thu, 21 May 2009, atms169 wrote: > > Yes, 80 dB on the duplexers, 100 watts in, that's 10 dB and the p

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread Kris Kirby
On Thu, 21 May 2009, atms169 wrote: > Yes, 80 dB on the duplexers, 100 watts in, that's 10 dB and the preamp > 18 dB, so I'm losing 8 dB ?? Assuming you're not experiencing front-end overload because of your pre-amp. > The sensitivity I believe is 0.4 uV Dstar system. > > I live in Texas w

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
Sorry about that, the model number is TPRD-1454 Aaron --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" wrote: > > Aaron, > > You left out the crucial information: What model Telewave duplexer? > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread NORM KNAPP
ssage - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed May 20 19:33:36 2009 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? Aaron, You left out the crucial information: What model Telewave duplexer? 73, Eric Lemmon W

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater? Yes, 80 dB on the duplexers, 100 watts in, that's 10 dB and the preamp 18 dB, so I'm losing 8 dB ?? The sensitivity I believe is 0.4 uV Dstar system. I live in Texas where it's flat. I'm adj

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense on High Power Linear Repeater?

2009-05-20 Thread atms169
Yes, 80 dB on the duplexers, 100 watts in, that's 10 dB and the preamp 18 dB, so I'm losing 8 dB ?? The sensitivity I believe is 0.4 uV Dstar system. I live in Texas where it's flat. I'm adjusting my station to compensate for the height value. More power good receive. There is a 1000 foot