Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-13 Thread Ron Wright
Bob, Whatever way one is in control of a repeater, remote or in person, one must be able to shut down. Just saying it is under automatic control means the tx can be keyed by an unlicensed machine. However, a real to live licensed ham is responsible for the operation. Just that person doe

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-13 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, Even with automatic control someone, a licensed ham, is responsible for the proper operation of a repeater. The control op does not have to be at the control point, but is still responsible. So does this mean one must have a control op??? No, that is on duty, but if something goes wro

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-09 Thread Ron Wright
Bob, I think you are kidding, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 2007/11/09 Fri AM 10:46:08 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control > >At 11/8/2007 18:12, you wrote: > >>OK, h

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-09 Thread John Barrett
tom remote control software can gain full access to the trailer control system. _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:02 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 9

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-09 Thread no6b
At 11/9/2007 07:01, you wrote: >Laryn, > >My only reason for thinking 2.4 G would not be legal for control it did >not fall within the Auxiliary frequencies allowed for control or Telecommand. The entire 2.4 GHz amateur band is available for auxiliary stations. Bob NO6B

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-09 Thread Ron Wright
Laryn, My only reason for thinking 2.4 G would not be legal for control it did not fall within the Auxiliary frequencies allowed for control or Telecommand. However, there is the issue of 97.213(a) "fiber optic cable OR other telecommunications service is considered wire-line". So if 2.4 G is

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
Jim, I agree. One could perform control functions on a say 10 meter repeater input in my option. A "primary" control method must be available and in place, but control can still be by other means. I would think someone calling a non-licensed Ham at the repeater site and allowing them to unpl

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
Could we say this same for a repeater IDing the final ID. The repeater did not have an input for the repeater to come up. Of course the control is responding to a previous input, but the control decided when to key and send the ID. 97.111 Authorized transmissions: (b)(6) transmissions necessa

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, I think this is what we are looking for: Under Definitions: (43) Telecommand/. A one-way transmission to initiate, modify, or terminate functions of a device at a distance. §97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. An amateur station on or within 50 km of the Earth's surface may be und

Re: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
ohn Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 08:54:38 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater >control > > >Do you guys see a problem running thecontrol link on 144.

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, It is in 97.213. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 08:37:40 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater >control > >Joe

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, Had to dig to find it again. 97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. It defines the methods that can be used to control a station remotely. Auxiliary freq are allowed for RF control link. One thing that I get confused with..."malfunction in the control link". The control link could be

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread John Barrett
right Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:38 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control Joe, You might have a point. I cannot find either. Use to be for RF was on Auxiliary frequencies only, most of 222, most of 4

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, You might have a point. I cannot find either. Use to be for RF was on Auxiliary frequencies only, most of 222, most of 420-450 and above. Cannot find it is now required. Might be able to control on 14.313, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 0

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
George, Legally on 2 meters and above the control can be done on the repeater input. However, as you said the input might be being jammed. About 20 years ago the FCC, yes FCC agents, would listen on input of a repeater, get the patch codes, then go near the repeater site and make a patch to a

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, Phone lines can be expensive. There are other ways of control one might consider, but depends on the situation. Some control ops can hear the repeater, but due to their antenna or rig situation might not be able to use an RF link, but have a phone. I use a RF link on UHF. Now can be don

Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
John, Ancillary functions are functions not needed to perform required control functions to meet FCC rules. Being able to turn off the repeater are required to meet FCC rules. Making a patch, setting the time, etc are not. One must have control of a repeater or any Ham transmitter and it must

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, Might take a look at 97.105(a)..."The control operator must ensure the immediate proper operation of the station, regardless of the type of control." Although there are separate rules for repeaters still other parts of Part 97 must be followed for a repeater as with most other Ham stations

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
Nate, A hang time is good. How long well it depends. Many repeater users I know use it to govern the time between transmissions by letting the repeater drop before they take it. They do this to allow breakers. Some think it resets the timeout timer. If long say 10 seconds would be slow QSO

Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

2007-11-07 Thread Ron Wright
Craig, If you go to www.arrl.org you and do a search for Part 97 you can view the regs. You don't need to be a League member for this. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: Craig Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/11/07 Wed AM 10:46:39 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Bui