[sage-devel] Unable to get Notebook working on ubuntu 8.04 with firefox 3.0

2008-04-28 Thread Joshua Kantor
So I upgraded a linux machine to ubuntu 8.04. I knew that there would an issue with self signed certs. I found that I wasn't even able to add an exception. I went preferences->advanced/encryption->view certificates Then switched to the servers tab and clicked on add exception. I tried to get cert

[sage-devel] Re: fast linear algebra over cyclotomic fields

2008-04-28 Thread John Cremona
I cannot work out from these references whether you regard multimodular or p-adic as the way to go. Or are you intending to try both and compare them? John 2008/4/28 William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > Regarding fast cyclotomic linear algebra, there is now a wiki page up: > >ht

[sage-devel] [Fwd: Re: [Maxima] [sage-devel] compiling Maxima by ECL]

2008-04-28 Thread Michael.Abshoff
Hah, this made me smile in the morning ;) Cheers, Michael Original Message Subject: Re: [Maxima] [sage-devel] compiling Maxima by ECL Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:46:54 +0200 From: Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael.Abshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROT

[sage-devel] Re: Unable to get Notebook working on ubuntu 8.04 with firefox 3.0

2008-04-28 Thread Harald Schilly
That's a bug with the beta5 of firefox3 that prevents you from adding those certificates. Just start the insecure notebook using "./sage - inotebook" and you will be fine - or wait for an update ;) h On Apr 28, 9:07 am, Joshua Kantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found that I wasn't even able

[sage-devel] Re: Unable to get Notebook working on ubuntu 8.04 with firefox 3.0

2008-04-28 Thread Dan Drake
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 at 12:07AM -0700, Joshua Kantor wrote: > So I upgraded a linux machine to ubuntu 8.04. I knew that there would > an issue with self signed certs. I found that I wasn't even able to > add an exception. > > I went preferences->advanced/encryption->view certificates Then > switche

[sage-devel] sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread Francois
In my long task of getting sage on Gentoo I inspect spkg. So today I was creating an ebuild for quaddouble and looked at the config options available and the one used by sage and I see this: --enable-ieee-add use addition that satisfies IEEE-style error bound inst

[sage-devel] Re: fast linear algebra over cyclotomic fields

2008-04-28 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:54 AM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I cannot work out from these references whether you regard > multimodular or p-adic as the way to go. For practical linear algebra -- i.e., where you care about how fast algorithms actually run rather than only caring

[sage-devel] Re: compiling Maxima by ECL]

2008-04-28 Thread rjf
> -Original Message- > From: Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:47 AM > To: Michael.Abshoff > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > sage-devel; Robert Dodier; maxima mailing list > Subject: Re: [Maxima] [sage-devel] compiling Maxima

[sage-devel] Re: compiling Maxima by ECL]

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 28, 4:22 pm, rjf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:47 AM > > To: Michael.Abshoff > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > sage-devel; Robert Dodier; maxima

[sage-devel] Re: compiling Maxima by ECL]

2008-04-28 Thread rjf
more response to Juan.. > > * The simplistic garbage collector is an option and it is provided for > platforms in which Boehm-Weiser does not run. Currently, this means > _none_ of the supported platforms. > > * Boehm-Weiser is a strong garbage collector and a very powerful one > in terms of tun

[sage-devel] Re: compiling Maxima by ECL]

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
I am posting a reply of Juan here at his request: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Richard Fateman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for this information. Unfortunately Michael said the sourceforge > > page was mostly out of date and pointed me to > > this: http://ecls.wiki.sourceforge

[sage-devel] Re: fast linear algebra over cyclotomic fields

2008-04-28 Thread John Cremona
2008/4/28 William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:54 AM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I cannot work out from these references whether you regard > > multimodular or p-adic as the way to go. > > For practical linear algebra -- i.e., where you care

[sage-devel] A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread Robert Miller
SEP Implement Lattices over ZZ, with pairings into QQ or ZZ 0. (Maybe) Implement a FreeModule_ZZ_quotient class. This would also allow for constructing abelian groups in the sort of canonical way (something people have been asking for...) 1. Implement a LatticeModule class, which will inherit f

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread John Cremona
Please can we also have real-valued bilinear forms? Mordell-Weil lattices (from elliptic curves over number fields) will require non-rational values. John 2008/4/28 Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > SEP > > Implement Lattices over ZZ, with pairings into QQ or ZZ > > 0. (Maybe) Implemen

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread David Joyner
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SEP > > Implement Lattices over ZZ, with pairings into QQ or ZZ > > 0. (Maybe) Implement a FreeModule_ZZ_quotient class. This would also > allow for constructing abelian groups in the sort of canonical way > (someth

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread John Cremona
David, I don't think you understood my suggestion. We are talking about groups A which are finitely-generated and torsion-free, so abstractly isomorphic to Z^n, together with a suitable blinear function on AxA taking values in Z or Q, and I wish to include R -valued forms. John 2008/4/28 David

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread Robert Miller
I believe all that David was saying was that our LatticeQuotients should probably inherit from a new FreeModule_ZZ_quotient class instead of from AbelianGroups, since the latter are not fully developed sage objects yet... On Apr 28, 11:29 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, I d

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:29 AM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David, I don't think you understood my suggestion. We are talking > about groups A which are finitely-generated and torsion-free, so > abstractly isomorphic to Z^n, together with a suitable blinear > function on Ax

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread David Joyner
This is the problem with gmail - it hides the text. When *I* read my own comment, I didn't like it! Here's what meant: Robert had a number of options for the LatticeQuotient class, one of which was " -- Inherit from AbelianGroup?" To *that*, I vote -1 because infinite AbelianGroup instances a

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread David Roe
I am in fact planning on reimplementing finitely generated abelian groups soon, so my vote would be to have the quotient of lattices L/L' (with L' a full sublattice or not) be an abelian group A with a canonical map L -> A. David On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:33 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread David Kohel
I support John's view that real-valued lattice need also to be taken into account. Minkowski lattices of number fields and Mordell-Weil groups are prime examples. Some people also like to embed lattices in R^n equipped with the standard Euclidean inner product. As such the coordinates are non-r

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread John Cremona
Interesting discussion. Sorry to have misread David Roe's -1: as several people noticed, thanks to gmail's habit of hiding quoted text I mistakenly thought he was disagreeing with me and took umbrage. David K's suggestions look very sensible to me, and I know that he is speaking from experience

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On 4/28/08, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3. Implement a LatticeQuotient class (for now, just full sublattices, > i.e., finite quotients). > -- Inherit from FreeModule_ZZ_quotient? > -- Inherit from AbelianGroup? > -- Inherit from nothing? > ( The question here is what the un

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 28, 2:32 pm, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my long task of getting sage on Gentoo I > inspect spkg. So today I was creating an ebuild > for quaddouble and looked at the config options > available and the one used by sage and I see this: >   --enable-ieee-add       use addition

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread Francois
On Apr 29, 11:33 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > On Apr 28, 2:32 pm, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > In my long task of getting sage on Gentoo I > > inspect spkg. So today I was creating an ebuild > > for quaddouble and looked at the config options > > available

[sage-devel] Re: A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules

2008-04-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree with David -- I'd like to see separate classes for various lattice-type structures, including: - Symmetric bilinear lattices - Skew-symmetric bilinear lattices - Quadratic lattices - Hermitian lattices For me the main point of a lattice class would deal with the issue of

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 29, 1:54 am, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 29, 11:33 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Francois, > Hi Michael, > > The latest upstream release has the same default. Ok. >I try to get what upstream > offers and I didn't see any archives of old release like the one used

[sage-devel] Re: Unable to get Notebook working on ubuntu 8.04 with firefox 3.0

2008-04-28 Thread Joshua Kantor
Thanks. Do you guys think it might be wise to temporarily change the banner to mention this. I had never heard of inotebook. On Apr 28, 4:01 am, Dan Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 at 12:07AM -0700, Joshua Kantor wrote: > > So I upgraded a linux machine to ubuntu 8.04. I

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: mercurial --> plain text --> mercurial

2008-04-28 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:53 AM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 22, 9:41 am, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:34 AM, mabshoff wrote: > > > > > The number of bundles in trac is rather small and most of those > > > bundles either have rev

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread Jonathan Bober
I'm not sure exactly what the speed differences are, but I think that they are quite significant. When writing the partition counting code, which uses quaddouble, I recall that things ran much slower if "sloppy" multiplication and division were not enabled. (However, I have no hard benchmarks to b

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Bober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure exactly what the speed differences are, but I think that > they are quite significant. When writing the partition counting code, > which uses quaddouble, I recall that things ran much slower if "sloppy"

[sage-devel] Re: sloppy mult and div in quaddouble?

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 29, 8:00 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Bober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >  I'm not sure exactly what the speed differences are, but I think that > >  they are quite significant. When writing the partition counting code, > >

[sage-devel] Re: Zeta functions for schemes over F_p

2008-04-28 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 28, 4:33 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > For the record: I have reverted the patches after Nick suggested > backing them out. We plan to release 3.0.1 soon, but we can revisit > this in 3.0.2 ;) Nick and Craig did discuss this in IRC last night and after some semant