Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-18 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 07:05:54 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: Hi Jason, No, I don't have an account. Yes, that would be reasonable from my side. Regards, Jan Maybe ask W. Stein directly about server access. I think it should be possible to get an account. Although I made the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-18 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi This is now http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13966 Could the author of each LiveCD/USB image send a one or two-line description of it? Of when it is appropriate? Size of image, Hardware Requirements (32/64 bit, resource requirements of desktop environment), languages, whether or not

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-18 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 10:54:39 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: Hi This is now http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13966 Could the author of each LiveCD/USB image send a one or two-line description of it? Of when it is appropriate? Size of image, Hardware Requirements (32/64

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-18 Thread Jan Groenewald
1. Sage LiveCD, based on Ubuntu 12.04.1, with Sage 5.5 Source Code, and all build and runtime dependencies size: 1.5 GB iso file, 64bit, EN+FR on image, other languages available from repos, automatic updates from aims/sagemath PPA. 2. Sage LiveCD, based on Ubuntu 12.04.1, with Sage 5.5 compiled,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-17 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On 15 January 2013 23:47, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: I'm really interested in a USB image that I can hand to students that want to do development with me that: * I can modify (to include the Sage cell server, git, etc., for example) * have all the development tools

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-17 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013 16:56:41 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: Hi On 15 January 2013 23:47, Jason Grout jason...@creativetrax.comjavascript: wrote: I'm really interested in a USB image that I can hand to students that want to do development with me that: * I can modify (to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-17 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Emil, No, I would rather privately transfer it to someone who can host this kind of bandwidth. In Africa bandwidth is scarce, and multiple downloads will be detrimental to our institutional bandwidth. Our better bandwidth on Cape Town virtual servers cost per MB. I was hoping to get it on a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-17 Thread Jason Grout
On 1/17/13 12:17 PM, Jan Groenewald wrote: No, I would rather privately transfer it to someone who can host this kind of bandwidth. In Africa bandwidth is scarce, and multiple downloads will be detrimental to our institutional bandwidth. Our better bandwidth on Cape Town virtual servers cost

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-17 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Jason, No, I don't have an account. Yes, that would be reasonable from my side. Regards, Jan On 18 January 2013 07:49, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 1/17/13 12:17 PM, Jan Groenewald wrote: No, I would rather privately transfer it to someone who can host this kind

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-16 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 22:47:06 UTC+1 schrieb jason: On 1/15/13 3:08 AM, Jan Groenewald wrote: Also if there is interest, a version can be made that installs Ubuntu, the source code for Sage, and all needed developer tools to build and run Sage. I'm really interested in a USB

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-16 Thread kcrisman
Right at the moment I see 4 projects maintained from this community with similar goals or structure: 1) Nicolas M. T's distro based on debian live 2) Jan Groenwalds distro based on Ubuntu 3) my SAGE Live CD distro based on Puppy Linux 4) the Fedora based image of Volker Braun to provide

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I have an ISO installer image (Ubuntu + Sage) which I'd like to make available to the Sage community. It is a 1.6G file created by UCK which I'd like to host on Sage servers, to preserve our institutional bandwidth. This can be useful to anyone hosting or teaching a Sage workshop, or willing

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
Hi I have an ISO installer image (Ubuntu + Sage) which I'd like to make available to the Sage community. It is a 1.6G file created by UCK which I'd like to host on Sage servers, to preserve our institutional bandwidth. Great! Please let us know when it's been hosted so we can try it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi KCrisman, I'm not sure what Emil's ISO is. Is it a LIVECD only or an installer too? (The Ubuntu one is both.) Where can it be downloaded? For Mac, you need to also use rEFIt boot manager, but you can use the same ISO for installing Ubuntu:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 15:42:16 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: Hi KCrisman, I'm not sure what Emil's ISO is. Is it a LIVECD only or an installer too? (The Ubuntu one is both.) Where can it be downloaded? It is a Live CD, but has of course an installer built in. You can download it

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 1/15/13 3:08 AM, Jan Groenewald wrote: Also if there is interest, a version can be made that installs Ubuntu, the source code for Sage, and all needed developer tools to build and run Sage. I'm really interested in a USB image that I can hand to students that want to do development with me

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Also, once you out the Ubuntu installation on a network, it starts prompting you for updates, automatically updating its software, including Sage. Regards, Jan On 15 January 2013 21:34, Emil Widmann emil.widm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 15:42:16 UTC+1 schrieb Jan

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-12-05 Thread Emil Widmann
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:53:34 PM UTC+8, Thierry (sage-googlesucks@xxx) wrote: I am a bit late in replying, because I do not actively follow all discussions, but since I made the Live CD I have some remarks == Windows users == - virtualbox is not a solution. People running

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-12-05 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:09:34 PM UTC, Emil Widmann wrote: This is interesting. I compiled the latest live CD with SAGE_FAT_BINARIES=yes and SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH=base, but now I have a report that there are problems with sse2 instructions on an old computer. Fixed in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-12-04 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I have now used UCK to make a Live CD which has sagemath-upstream-binary from the PPA. It is also Ubuntu 12.04.1 with a dist-upgrade up to the latest versions, and a few other packages I like (it is debatable what can be included here). It is a 1.6G ISO which can be written to a USB stick. It

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-12-04 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/12/4 Jan Groenewald j...@aims.ac.za I have now used UCK to make a Live CD which has sagemath-upstream-binary from the PPA. It is also Ubuntu 12.04.1 with a dist-upgrade up to the latest versions, and a few other packages I like (it is debatable what can be included here). It is a 1.6G

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-21 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:07:50AM -0800, tom d wrote: Thanks for running this, Nicolas, and providing the detailed report! Well, for the running all the kudos should really go to the organizers. And all those who helped for the Sage sessions. All I had to do was to teach Sage to *motivated*

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-20 Thread tom d
Hey, all! Thanks for running this, Nicolas, and providing the detailed report! For converting people to linux: I'm working with a computer lab in Maseno, where we've now got linux dual-booting on all of the machines (about 40). Over the last couple months, we've gained a number of linux

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-20 Thread tom d
Hey, all; So the Mombasa algebraic geometry workshop is set for 6-28 July, 2013. Which is really long! They're interested in having some sage sessions; if anyone's interested in coming out I can plan to be there for an overlapping time and co-hosting the Sage sessions. (However, the first

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-20 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Tom, Do you have a link to a workshop web page? Regards, Jan On 20 November 2012 15:35, tom d sdent...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, all; So the Mombasa algebraic geometry workshop is set for 6-28 July, 2013. Which is really long! They're interested in having some sage sessions; if anyone's

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-20 Thread Thierry Dumont
For information, I will give a short course (one day) about Sage in Algeria next January. There is a joint French-Maghreb CNRS research unit in Maths; the idea is to help develop computing, all sorts of computing in Maghreb. The Algerian (the others too) are very enthusiastic. As the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Harald Schilly
On Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:00:42 AM UTC+1, Nicolas M. Thiéry wrote: - Having more Sage mirrors in Africa (although the network issues were more in the last kilometer). Hi, thank's for this detailed report and the discussion. I'm somewhat responsible for the mirror network, and I

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread parisse
Le dimanche 11 novembre 2012 10:00:42 UTC+1, Nicolas M. Thiéry a écrit : That was a good occasion for a real-life evaluation of a claim I have been desiring to make for a long time: �Sage, being open-source, is well adapted for universities in developing countries�.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/15 parisse bernard.pari...@ujf-grenoble.fr But perhaps I'm wrong and you also spread the word that some good open-source math softwares run on say Windows XP (or even Windows 98). But then why should developing countries use an old, buggy and proprietary software when they can get for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
2012/11/14 Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com I'm curious: how does the software selection compare to, for example, mathbuntu (http://www.mathbuntu.org/), particularly the math packages? I just tried, that distro does NOT contain Sage, just a link to the Sage Notebook. -- *Andrea

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread parisse
But then why should developing countries use an old, buggy and proprietary software when they can get for free modern, top class open source operating systems? :) Because they are used to work with windows, they don't know linux and they don't know someone who can explain how to use it.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 11/15/12 3:22 PM, Andrea Lazzarotto wrote: 2012/11/14 Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com mailto:jason-s...@creativetrax.com I'm curious: how does the software selection compare to, for example, mathbuntu (http://www.mathbuntu.org/ http://www.mathbuntu.org/), particularly

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-14 Thread Jason Grout
On 11/13/12 8:49 AM, Thierry wrote: I built a live Debian Sage USB key wich is able to clone itself on another key, indefinitely. I will make the prototype (and the source code) available when i will be back home with a good internet connection. Other features of the key are : personal data

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread Mike Zabrocki
I could hope for 4-5 that will use Sage in the long run, and 20 that definitely see the point but will get stuck by lack of infrastructure and expertise. These sound like great numbers. I think to break the barrier and make a true sage days really productive, I think that you would

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread Thierry
Hi, thanks Nicolas for this exhaustive report. I would like to witness this adventure it in a more pessimistic way, so that people willing to host such a sage days know what kind of problems will appear, and which workarounds are realistic. Being free software is definitely not a sufficient

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread kcrisman
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:53:34 AM UTC-5, sage-goo...@lma.metelu.net wrote: Hi, thanks Nicolas for this exhaustive report. I would like to witness this adventure it in a more pessimistic way, so that people willing to host such a sage days know what kind of problems will appear,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread kcrisman
I know very little about all the technicalities of these reports but want to echo that it is VERY valuable to have these real-life experiences - what a great thread. I recommend that several of these analyses be put on a wiki page linked to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
The openssl and gfortran issues should be solved in sage-5.4, they are no longer needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-13 Thread Andrea Lazzarotto
Thierry, I find your message to be great in all parts, but I would like to point out a thing... 2012/11/13 Thierry sage-googlesu...@lma.metelu.net bios not able to boot on USB Again, this is not a big problem. :P You can build a CD or even a floppy disk with PLOP boot manager and even boot a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 08:07:06PM -0800, Mike Zabrocki wrote: Wow! Nicolas fantastic report. That was a challenge to do. Thanks :-) I hope you managed a convert or two in Africa. My experience with computer classes as part of a summer school (in Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania and Madagascar) is

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-12 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Jan, Thanks for all the information and all your work making Sage easier to install! On the next similar occasion, we should also investigate aims-desktop, either through DVD installs or by running a local Ubuntu + PPA mirror. There still is the problem that installing a dual boot

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-11 Thread Mike Zabrocki
Wow! Nicolas fantastic report. That was a challenge to do. I hope you managed a convert or two in Africa. My experience with computer classes as part of a summer school (in Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania and Madagascar) is similar except I never had a wifi network and most of my students didn't have

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2012-11-11 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I also work in Science in many countries in Africa [1]. My preferred single solution is a standalone Ubuntu desktop (laptop) installation. As it dual boots, it is minimally invasive. The procedure is simple. AIMS-desktop currently only needs network for the install, and if it reaches network