[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-02-01 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
As a user of sage, I'm quite happy with all of the work that has been going in to the Solaris port lately. Currently I have to use it from a zone running linux, which isn't so bad except the zones typically run older distributions of Linux. I know it creates additional work and I also thank all

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-02-01 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, as far as I know, projects like NTL or MPIR/GMP have options to tell them to use a plain C variant of their functionality. No assembler code whatsoever, not optimized --- but compiling under any, say, ANSI C99 compliant C compiler. So I think HP-UX will always be supported in this sense.

Re: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-02-01 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Monday 01 February 2010, Nick Alexander wrote: I think I've done a LOT for Sage - I would request you do not purposely break the PA-RISC support in MPIR, when it clearly passes all your self tests on HP-UX. I do not believe thiat is an unreasonable request. I take issue with the

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-02-01 Thread Bill Hart
It's somewhat more complicated unfortunately. There are numerous gnu extensions which are used by people using gcc. I don't know if the HP- UX compiler is c99 or not, but that may be a second issue, especially for FLINT. On top of the compiler issues, if you port to the HP-UX OS you then have a

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-02-01 Thread Bill Hart
I agree that the issue here is not whether David has contributed a lot or not. He's contributed, and that is what counts. The issue here is the cost of a port. If it is borne by David and people who volunteer to help him, then I have no problem with a port. But if it takes the form: 1) Complaint

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Bill Hart
I don't see any point listing HP-UX. That platform died in 2004. I saw its grave. Here is one of the many obituaries: http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1460 I see you suggested Sage switch to GMP for an HP-UX port. Well, not only will MPIR not be supporting HP-UX, but

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Bill Hart goodwillh...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't see any point listing HP-UX. That platform died in 2004. I saw its grave. Here is one of the many obituaries: http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1460 I see you suggested Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Bill Hart
I've posted a list of arches/compilers/OSes that MPIR currently does/ perhaps should support, in another thread. That should answer the question, I think. On Jan 31, 3:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Bill Hart goodwillh...@googlemail.com wrote: I

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Bill Hart
OK, I did some reading and I now see the point of the question. At this point I don't see any problem with Linux on Itanium 2. For example the gcc build farm contains an Itanium 2 (though no longer an Itanium), and gcc itself support Itanium 2, as does the assembler (obviously). Are there any

[sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Bill Hart
Ah! http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/biz-enterprise/266916-red-hat-pulls-plug-on-itanium-with-rhel-6 That leaves debian, which still supports it officially, unofficial support on Ubuntu and support for ia32 on SUSE. But that leads me to question the future of ia64 itself. I don't personally

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 January 2010 14:27, Bill Hart goodwillh...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't see any point listing HP-UX. That platform died in 2004. I saw its grave. Here is one of the many obituaries: http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1460 I see you suggested Sage switch to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 January 2010 14:27, Bill Hart goodwillh...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't see any point listing HP-UX. That platform died in 2004. I saw its grave. Here is one of the many obituaries: http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1460 The latest release of HP-UX was

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Nick Alexander
I think I've done a LOT for Sage - I would request you do not purposely break the PA-RISC support in MPIR, when it clearly passes all your self tests on HP-UX. I do not believe thiat is an unreasonable request. I take issue with the claim that you have done a LOT for Sage. Let me be clear:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Nick Alexander
By and large, we are a community of mathematicians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not contributing to the mathematical aspects of Sage. Until that changes, your goals and my goals are only occasionally aligned. I hate to think that the only people that are valid contributors to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 1 February 2010 05:51, Tim Lahey tim.la...@gmail.com wrote: Solaris isn't exactly an unusual architecture. That's what he's done the most at supporting. He certainly has done a LOT at supporting it. I think what he's asking that Bill not purposely break FLINT since it does currently

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jan-31 22:02:19 -0800, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. But take away mathematics, and we don't have a *product*. Take away release management, fixing bugs, documentation, or maintaining the web site and we have an inferior project, but we still have a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Supported Platforms web page is *very* out of date

2010-01-31 Thread Nick Alexander
On 31-Jan-10, at 11:35 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jan-31 22:02:19 -0800, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. But take away mathematics, and we don't have a *product*. Take away release management, fixing bugs, documentation, or maintaining the web site and we have