[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-09 Thread John H Palmieri
On Saturday, April 9, 2011 8:11:26 AM UTC-7, Georg S. Weber wrote: > > Hi all, > > interesting thread, let me toss in my 2 cents. > > There are also Linux distributions which do not have gcc installed by > default, so users might fall into the "Cython is not usable" trap, > too. I just creat

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-09 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi all, interesting thread, let me toss in my 2 cents. There are also Linux distributions which do not have gcc installed by default, so users might fall into the "Cython is not usable" trap, too. Python, from v2.7 on, has some new module called "sysconfig" (see http://docs.python.org/dev/library

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
That's on the current status of Boehm GC support on Apple's llvm-gcc -- Forwarded message -- From: Asst. Prof. Dmitrii (Dima) Pasechnik Date: 9 April 2011 12:21 Subject: Fwd: unable to compile GC using Apple's llvm-gcc (from XCode 4) To: g...@linux.hpl.hp.com Cc: Marius Schamschul

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >>> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >>> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 April 2011 21:17, William Stein wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>  Or are you just arguing that XCode is >> necessary because it's an easy way to a binary gcc. > > I don't know how to install GCC on OS X, except by installing XCode. > There is a lot more to GCC t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Tim Lahey
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a binary gcc? > > How? http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > >> >> In order to use Cython on OS X, one currently needs XCode.   Cython is >> a really core feature of Sage. >> E.g., I talk about it a lot in my Sage course for undergrads [1], and >> on

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Tim Lahey
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > > In order to use Cython on OS X, one currently needs XCode.   Cython is > a really core feature of Sage. > E.g., I talk about it a lot in my Sage course for undergrads [1], and > on Wednesday I had some very confused > students in class that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:21 AM, David Kirkby wrote: >> On 7 April 2011 02:52, Felix Lawrence wrote: >>> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would >>> effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. >> >> Well,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:21 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 7 April 2011 02:52, Felix Lawrence wrote: >> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would >> effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. > > Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration. We can give them a Sage bina

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Apr 9, 12:29 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > On 04/ 8/11 12:12 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on > > MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) > > and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. > > > So this prob

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/ 8/11 12:12 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. So this probably means we'd need to upgrade this spkg at least, as it is a coupl

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. So this probably means we'd need to upgrade this spkg at least, as it is a couple of years old (but it's the latest stable ver

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-07 Thread jjh
I suspect that part of the cost of Xcode 4 is to do with the accounting requirements involved in giving away a product free (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaceTime). The next version of OS X will likely come with Xcode 4. I certainly hope that is the case. J -- To post to this group, send

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 April 2011 03:15, kcrisman wrote: >> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would >> effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. > > Well, you could still download a binary.  They aren't requiring that > people give them money from things compiled with it, are

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 April 2011 02:52, Felix Lawrence wrote: > On Apr 6, 7:19 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: >> There seems to be a growing body of opinion that Clang >> >> http://clang.llvm.org/ >> >> will replace gcc as the compiler of choice for open-source projects - not >> just >> on OS X. > I've heard this

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-07 Thread koffie
On Apr 7, 4:15 am, kcrisman wrote: > > For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would > > effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. > > Well, you could still download a binary.  They aren't requiring that > people give them money from things compiled with it, are

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-06 Thread kcrisman
> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would > effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. Well, you could still download a binary. They aren't requiring that people give them money from things compiled with it, are they? But I agree it's a problem, if true. $5

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-06 Thread Felix Lawrence
On Apr 6, 7:19 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > There seems to be a growing body of opinion that Clang > > http://clang.llvm.org/ > > will replace gcc as the compiler of choice for open-source projects - not just > on OS X. I've heard this too. > I also noticed that Xcode is no longer free, though