hould react to their own lives. And I
> don't use the "after all, they lived a good productive life" to knock
> people into grave or into submission to the evils of life.
> PS: I like you Nora but I've got to say I think you're trying to
> misunderstand what
comparison with most people, he'd
lived an extraordinary life.
> We don't want a fascist world ruled by young people who think that
> old people should be rational and positively go gently into that good
> night just because the old person is ...old. -C
I can't speak
ar, then I see no reason why he
would have been angry about his death even if it was hastened by a mistake.
(Now, if I get hit by a bus on my way home ya'll, somebody send this email
to my mama. =P)
Nora
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xpand much beyond the original thirteen,
because the Native Americans have their own dragons [palomino-colored], and
the colonists don't have any.)
The first book of the series is HIS MAJESTY'S DRAGON.
Nora
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rld, but the dragons
themselves are slaves as well, and when one of them realizes that dragons
could be treated better, he decides to upend British society to demand
"dragon equality". It isn't finished yet, but I'm interested in seeing
where this goes.
Nora
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That's all I wanted to know.
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Chris, don't you have anything better to contribute, besides more juvenile
insults for black SF authors?
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t. It still exists in
Egypt, the Sudan, and Eritrea today, although I'm told it's separated into
various forms and has evolved even in just the centuries since colonization,
so I figure it's probably pretty different from the original art as
practiced back in the (ancient) day.
No
> Dreamblood by N.K. Jemison (you can do unpublished manuscripts,
> can't you?)
Sorry, that one's not available for distribution.
Nora (N.K. Jemisin)
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nks there are out there
listing published novels in some way or another? Do you think authors have
nothing better to do than Google themselves every other minute? Good grief.
I'm out; this is stupid.
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mention catty as hell.
You defeat your own purpose by doing this, Chris. You're reenacting
crabs-in-a-barrell syndrome all over again, sniping at someone who's
successful and trying to make them look bad. I find that to be far more
"sellout"-ish behavior than anything NH
e is not
> or is a part of it?
I think she believes what she said in her blog and the subsequent comments.
If you think she's been unclear, why don't you post something there and ask
her directly about it?
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she doesn't want to be classified,
categorized, turned into a marketing "brand", or folded/spindled/mutilated
by random strangers. WTF is wrong with that?
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rything could
> last
>> forever, the Rosetta Stone would be just another chunk of stone
> graffiti.
>> (Not to mention the world would be a pretty cluttered, messy place.)
>>
>> This is the same reason I don't like the idea of extending the
> lifetime of a
>>
, the Rosetta Stone would be just another chunk of stone graffiti.
(Not to mention the world would be a pretty cluttered, messy place.)
This is the same reason I don't like the idea of extending the lifetime of a
copyright, as some companies are trying to do right now, but that's a
differ
the world becomes immortal,
we will have no choice but to stop having children. There won't be enough
resources to go around for an infinitely-growing human population. Can you
imagine a world without children? It sounds like a much less joyful place
to me.
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;ve read it, why don't you give us your opinion? =)
Is your timestamp right? It looks like it took 2 weeks for your message to
post. O.o
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birth is supposed to be bloody.
> I remember thinking only a woman would have written that story like
> that.
::snicker:: Okay, I'll give you that.
> What affect do you think her dyslexia had on her work? Did you know
> Delaney is a dyxlexic, too? Is this a qualifi
>>
>> Two words: Harry Potter.
>>
>> Nora
> <
> I'll give ya a few more
> Lord of the Rings (Tolkien's trilogy was even as long as one of the
> Potters--showed there was a market for real big fat fantasy books
> (Gone With the Wind ha
ville
> might be the flavor du jour but Gene Roddenberry is paying the
> bills>>
Then why'd his shit get cancelled last year? =P
> > Anyway -- they're still publishing nursery rhymes and fairy tales
> in
> > children's fiction these days. Does that mea
e people in my corner of blogdom are talking about Geoff Ryman's AIR right
now, because it just won some big award and is apparently really good. It's
on my list to check out later.
Anyway -- they're still publishing nursery rhymes and fairy tales in
children's fiction these days.
're just people. They have the
same baggage and hangups and limitations as anyone else. They're not
channeling the future, or higher consciousness, or any of that shit. Some
of them *are* hacks, and some are geniuses, but the majority are just
regular folks who are a little better at spelli
in 1965 doing the same things they
> did then. There are Dune books using the same Herbert trophes.
> There are Star Wars novelizations with the characters from the 70's.
Your point being?
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eems to me that the core of your argument (here and elsewhere) is
> that SF
> > has changed and you don't like it.
> <
> and writers that have gotten small>>
Who is Nora Desmond?
> Some characteristics of the genre are no
> > longer predominant. Those thi
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> Bu
g, because it allows room
for both the absurd *and* the serious, and everything in between. But I get
the impression you don't like it at all.
So could the problem be not that science fiction has gone wrong, but that it
has evolved, and you're unwilling/unable to adapt to it?
Nora
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we will survive, life
will go on, and that life will be both good and bad -- same as always.
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can see a little more of what made him that way. It may be that they
covered it later in the book, but I didn't get that far because I got bored
about halfway in and gave the book away to someone in my writing group.
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Y'know, I think I read this a long time ago. I'd forgotten about it. But I
wonder if that's where I saw that story I loved so much? I'll have to check
it out again to see. =) Thanks for the recommend!
Nora
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This looks great and interesting, Carole! Though I can't help being a
writer and pointing out that there are at least two typos in the front
jacket flap ("split-up" and "fair" used where "fare" is meant). Has the
cover gone to print yet?
Nora
> -Origi
e character who was chosen to become one of these
ship people; it was a terrible, traumatic experience for her to have to give
up the life she knew. Very different perspective from what one usually sees
in SF, but very powerful and poignant.
Does anybody recognize this story?
Nora
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ommend Speaker for the Dead and
Xenocide, although many people hate them precisely because they don't do
what the Shadow books have done, which is keep the focus on politics and
war. If it's the political intrigue, etc., that you like, you probably
won't like the other Ender books. (I
word.
Then again, I think that might actually be typical of children; they notice
the differences first.
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outspoken about his politics;
that may be one of the reasons why his work contains so many themes that
feel surprising/refreshing to Americans. I definitely like the result.)
There are other good stories in the book, but those are the ones I remember
offhand. His stuff is mostly memorable. =)
ing published which have a
fundamentally skiffy "look". Anything by Baen, for example. But most
publishers seem to have gone for the "less obviously genre" look.
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> erotica, erotica horror, horror and fantasy. It's simply a
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your position on the issue! ~PF
>
What's with the spam? Granted, it's kind of surreal, but I'm not sure what
this has to do with spec fic. =)
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I figured it was because there ain't a lot of sistas named Nora writing
speculative fiction. =)
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But Sheree did such a good job. =) Besides, when I asked around here last
week about who was planning to go, I got crickets. So I figured nobody was
interested.
Nora
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at the two
books are part of a trilogy that never got finished; I don't think the
author ever finished book 3. =( Other than that, though, I would suggest
that anyone try reading at least the first book of that series and try to
figure out the author's race. Then ask yourself in that c
ondered how those (the good
or the bad) were put together. Do you use CGI figures? How do you come up
with artwork? Who writes the blurbs? I'm just curious.
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Is anyone else going to this, this weekend? I'm thinking about it (Saturday
only) and was wondering if folks would like to meet for dinner, social
stuff, etc.
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of which I've already read or didn't want to read. If your group does
some current stuff too, and includes some stuff by female authors, authors
of color, etc., then I'd be interested. I'd also like to read some fantasy
and horror as well as "pure" sci-fi.
Nora
Good advice found while blogging today:
http://home.pcisys.net/~pammc/Synopsis.htm
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7;ve only been here the past 3 or 4 years), friends, my
blog, the kitchen sink, etc. And anyhow, the Earthseed component of the
book was never the part that interested me most.
Though as I recall, when I posted a thread to discuss "Fledgling," there
wasn't a whole lot of response he
confusing the short
story "Bloodchild" with the Xenogenesis books. ::shakes head, sighs::
Y'know... I'm getting really angry with the way the media have been warping
Octavia in the wake of her death. Just say she wrote science fiction, damn,
and leave the rest of her life alone.
No
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>>> http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/10675.html?
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>>
>> ::sigh:: Chris, I continue to wonder why you still read and write
> for this
>> field
> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, Nora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> But no one sells anything from the synopsis alone.
> < Of course they are people with proven track records--usually.
> According to the sources I consulted,people sell books from the
> synp
on which, of course, I continue to disagree with you. =)
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a 30,000-word section of my novel, but by focusing on
the character's purpose I was able to reduce it to "After a perilous desert
journey and a skirmish with a rogue army, they (the characters) discover
(purpose)..."
Hope this helps. Good luck!
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e night
> KUCHA KUTWA 24 hours The whole day and whole night
>
> Great stuff.
That is great! Thanks for posting this!
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ttle crazy with it,
though. =P ("Oh, no! This sandwich has *five* slices of tomato!! It's
unlucky!")
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y
reputation is riding on it.
But the stories I know are good? Yes, I want them to sell. And thus far,
they have -- not always on the first try, but eventually.
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If I won the lottery, I would travel... and still keep writing. Because for
me, that's what makes me feel alive.
Nora
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ice backlog of novels ready to put out one after the other, at
Stephen-King speed. =P
So I haven't resorted to coffee or alcohol yet. (Though I do tend to go out
dancing, go for a really hard bike ride or workout, or play violent video
games as catharsis when I get an especially rou
already know I can write a novel in a year.
Once you find out you have the discipline to work at a professional pace --
and you can figure this out even before you become a professional -- then
success really shouldn't do you that much damage.
Of course, my tune may change if I eve
Woo hoo! Congratulations, Andrea!
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>
> Can any one confirm this story of Octavia Butler's death founf here:
>
> http://darkush.blogspot.com/ <http://darkush.blogspot.com/>
>
> George Cook www.letstalkhonestly.com <http://www.letstalkhonestly.com/>
Apparently it's true. Locus conf
k! I read it twice over the weekend.
But what is it about?
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Yah
t he was used in such a silly way that in the end I didn't feel like he'd
achieved anything important.
Card's most recent novel, "Magic Street", has a similar problem, but I
probably shouldn't talk about it because I disliked it so much that I
stopped halfway through
he "soulless monster" usually seen in movies. The most common form of
sociopath shows the same kind of antisocial behavior seen in stereotypical
sci-fi fans. =P
Nora
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e Pilgrim's
> Redress. In this review he seems to be implying that all of Lewis'
> works are simplistic. That's a bit underhanded and unbalanced of him.
I agree that the review isn't quite fair. I think what happened is that
this reporter fell for the "Narn
o go to VP). Is that a Clarion West/Clarion East difference, or
did somebody just tell me wrong? (It was the one in the midwest that I was
considering.)
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> >>> Odyssey sounded interesting to me, but I didn't
Last I heard, Odyssey was just as selective as Clarion. It's very much the
same as Clarion, just different in its focus (fantasy) and format (novels
and shorts).
Nora
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Ooh. =) FYI for all -- anyone who's been published can qualify.
Nora
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rm, intensive workshop is the best way to improve my skills.
VP was great, but we didn't do a lot of work on technique -- it's an
*industry* workshop, not really a *writing* workshop.
I may still consider Odyssey at some point, but it'll have to wait until I'm
eit
ave the reputation of Clarion, and it hasn't
pulled instructors with the same clout yet. Odyssey does have one advantage
in that writers can do novels there (at Clarion it's just short stories),
but in my own opinion, if a person can handle a six-week workshop, they
should go for the be
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>>> No modern fantasy can get away with "no regard for logic or physical
>> realities". That doesn'
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e interested in
breaking the rules of conventional literature than in adhering to the rules
of fantasy. But then a lot of readers consider slippy/magireal stuff to not
be fantasy, just another branch of the literary fiction genre.
...and why am I getting emails from this list a week after they'
as to have
internal consistency and it *usually* needs to parallel with the rules of
our own reality, such as physics or linguistics, or readers reject it.
Granted, I haven't read *everything,* but I've been studying fantasy pretty
closely for the past 10 years (checking out competitors
t a pseudoscientific explanation).
> I say Fantasy is more popular.
In the literary realm I would agree with you. Not in comics, especially not
American comics. Maybe in Japanese manga. In films I would say sci-fi is
far, far more popular. In games I dunno.
But overall, in the mains
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> Is Fantasy more popular than Sci Fi?
Define "popular."
Nora
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, murdered, and then is resurrected in a more powerful
form. It's basically "The Passion of the Christ" for kids. With talking
animals.
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even her own followers fixate their efforts on getting off the
planet (as Earthseed's core tenet espouses) rather than fixing the planet
they're on. They do enough to survive in that world and improve themselves,
and by nature that means they improve the world, but for the
"'Sam" had a gay marriage to celebrate the end of the war
on terror. And there have been a number of anthologies in the last few
years which collected stories on terrorism, etc. At least, I saw them
soliciting on Ralan; I don't know if they ever got off the ground.
Nora
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ore they get theirs?? Whoo baby. =P Just for that,
I don't mind that the books basically have no plot. But hey, neither does
men's porn.
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bad guys, they just handled them better.
Shori felt ultimately Mary-Sue-ish to me.
So I guess overall I didn't like it. But I want to chew on it awhile
longer, because I've often found that I appreciate her works better after
some thinking and re-reading.
Nora
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group *other* than black people. Black
people and hip hop is easy, a no-brainer. Black people and some other
musical form/lifestyle -- yeah, that I like. And some other ethnic group
doing hip hop -- yeah, that I would like too.
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, who uses all kinds of old rock
songs in his stuff, but I can't think of many others who do that. I was
also thinking of sci fi in which music is somehow integral to the story,
maybe part of the science in some way. Can you think of examples of that?
Nora
Yaho
mber of fantasies
filled with Celtic music, folk songs, and stuff like that.
I've seen some jazz/blues-flavored anime ("Cowboy Bebop"), and hip-hop
flavored anime by the same creator ("Samurai Champloo"), but the latter
isn't sci fi, and neither is Amer
This anthology sounds really interesting! But I wonder why they make you
email them for submission guidelines, rights, payment info, etc. That's
very odd.
Nora
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also skipping your chance to *fight* his
brand of racism.
Not saying you gotta write anything, BTW -- just suggesting a paradigm
shift. =)
Nora
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re I hipped him to the above.
> I would say that membership in the group would be like being in any
> other professional organization--give you extra clout, etc.
Plus, their most useful information has always been this, IMO:
http://www.sfwa.org/writing/
Which AFAIC is one of the best free onlin
...Straight out of Arkham?? BWAHAHAHA -- OK, I want to read it already.
FYI for all who didn't see it on Carl Brandon.
Nora
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t say whether I'm *good*, but I can send you the synopsis that got two
agents interested in asking for my novel. I sent it along with three sample
chapters, but I'm assuming the synopsis must've helped. I'll send it
offlist. Feel free to send me yours offlist too.
Nora
since I didn't read the book but bought 5 copies and donated them anyway,
I'm wondering just what I may have bought. Has anyone read this book, or
anything else by this author? What did you think?
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This came from the Metaquotes community on LiveJournal
(http://www.livejournal.com/community/metaquotes/3695692.html) where
basically a bunch of people just put together lyrics to "Baby Got Back"...
in Victorian English. I'm rolling on the floor.
Nora
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Oh my word, Miss Rebecc
t, they were high school/college kids.
Why would she have ever sent it to them? And WTF do "The Matrix" and "The
Terminator" have to do with each other, other than an AI taking over the
world? Good grief, scientists have been predicting that for decades. =P
All my log
Thanks. =) Do you mean you want a sequel?? Everybody's dead and the world
has ended; not sure what else there is to say. =)
And if you think I should get a Nebula, be sure to tell any of your friends
in SFWA to read the story and nominate me. ^_-
Nora
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::squeal:: My sci-fi-ish story "Cloud Dragon Skies" has just been posted at
STRANGE HORIZONS! And it got a great illustration by Frank Wu! I'm all
psyched. =)
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2005/20050801/jemisin-f.shtml
Nora
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http://home.earthlink.net/~njem
Viabl
evil, even if they do have tortured souls; b) gay; or c) castrated,
sterile, or otherwise emasculated. (Hmm. I'm seeing a trend here.) Anne
Bishop -- OK, I'll give Reed that one. Her men are all bloodthirsty
psychopaths or obsessive tricksters, but they can usually be
redeemed/cont
o market this to
evangelical Christians? Most of those sects (to my knowledge) consider
Catholicism to be almost as questionable as Islam or atheism. Anne might be
opening herself up to an ugly backlash here.
Nora
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f the video is based on *his*
experiences, which clearly aren't all that fantastic on the relationship
front. But then considering how he treats women, does that really surprise
anyone?
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iting for a while and go traveling to some place new. This wakes up
my creative circuits like nothing else, and it's not always expensive --
sometimes just finding a new place in or near your town will do.
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a fantasy metaphor) but fear not.
> You are near to the Kingdom.
::stare:: WTF does that mean?
Y'know what? I'm tired of this. It's impossible to carry on an intelligent
debate when you insist upon using rhetoric and opinion as "proof" of your
points. Your &
. something is definitely up with yahoo. I
> just want to be prepared this time.
No, no, I understand completely! Glad you're doing it. =)
Nora
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On 7/5/05 4:44 PM, "Chris Hayden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Nora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>> than I did at my sorority (DST, if you're wondering)
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