Re: ShopTalk: Cutting Through the chaff

2003-01-21 Thread Corey Bailey
Dynacraft Golfsmith Golfworks Each of them have several publications written by experts that can help immensely. Take your pick. Happy reading and experimenting, CB At 10:15 PM 1/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: I am a newbie to club building and I became interested in the first place because I wa

ShopTalk: Cutting Through the chaff

2003-01-21 Thread Tom and Donna Mason
I am a newbie to club building and I became interested in the first place because I wanted to make my own clubs with the intent to improve my own game of golf. Golf, unlike any other sport, is a one on one proposition where you are the one on both sides. For that reason to be good at the sport yo

Re: ShopTalk: 3 iron to 5 Wood Length/loft/lie transition

2003-01-21 Thread Fjbold1
In a message dated 1/21/2003 7:34:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >What gives ?. > >Cheers, >Shay. > Forget about lofts, lies etceteras. How far do you hit each club? This will be different for each golfer. I know very few that can even hit a 3 iron. I hit a 5 iron 165, 7

Re: ShopTalk: PCS at PGA Expo

2003-01-21 Thread Mark A Patton
They will have a hospitality suite, Room 224, at the Orange County Convention Center from what Al said. Mark Jack Stiehl wrote: Jents- Does anybody know where the PCS will be at the PGA show in Orlando this week? TIA Jack

ShopTalk: PCS at PGA Expo

2003-01-21 Thread Jack Stiehl
Jents- Does anybody know where the PCS will be at the PGA show in Orlando this week? TIA Jack

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Lloyd Hackman
Check Out this picture. Probably not your best player but it can happen with a late loading of the shaft. llhack - Original Message - From: "Alan Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk > Thanks D

Re: ShopTalk: 3 iron to 5 Wood Length/loft/lie transition

2003-01-21 Thread tflan
Well; First, there is no such thing as a "standard" for lie or loft angles. It doesn't exist. However, consider the different weights of the heads; 3 iron about 240 grams, 5 wood about 210 grams. Lie angle difference is insignificant, particularly so when you consider that you can bend the 3 iron

Re: ShopTalk: 3 iron to 5 Wood Length/loft/lie transition

2003-01-21 Thread shay_ryan1111 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
With all the talk about lie angle progression going around, I'm amazed that not one person could provide any insight to my question below. Come on guys, someone take a crack at this, it cant be that hard to figure out considering all the knowledge available on this board, cheers, Shay. ---

ShopTalk: KZG 12 deg.

2003-01-21 Thread Barrette Bob
Does anyone have a KZ Golf Maraging Power Driver head in real good condition they would sell or trade?  I have a 7.5 deg.head in real good condition used as demo I would trade. contact me by private email.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Bob Action Golf

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Alan Brooks
Thanks Dave, This morning I dug into the Appendices in Jorgensen's book and he calculates the energy fraction in the club head after impact at 0.531, which indicates a velocity loss of about 30%. I was in error. That definitely changes my thinking about what happens after impact. I'm home at

RE: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Royce Engler
Dave said... Alan, let me discuss this with you off-line. I've thought about it quite a bit, and would like to try some ideas on you. Cheers! DaveT Uh-ohour two math whizzes are gonna work this out off line, then confuse the hell out of us when they come back. I've seen this beforeth

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Al Taylor
If it will make you techies any happier, I can tell you that from various forums I have attended, dealing with this subject, they all have concluded that at impact, the head (driver) loses about 25-30% of it's speed. Of course you guys have to have a formula to make it work, all the high speed

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 11:53 PM 1/20/03 -0800, Alan Brooks wrote: Are you sure about those numbers? A 40-ft/sec change in velocity in the half millisecond I have read the ball is in contact with the club is an average acceleration of 80,000 ft/sec/sec (a delta-V of 40 divided by a delta-t of 0.0005). Seems a bit

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Dave Tutelman
Thanks, Graham. That's a big help. DaveT At 07:01 PM 1/21/03 +0800, you wrote: Dave Yes, that's what I meant. It would have been clearer if I had just said that it was just after impact. Graham - Original Message - From: Dave Tutelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAI

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Bernie Baymiller
Graham,   > Also, what about the head twisting at impact? It's hard to see in the pictures but could the face open slightly as well? Therefore, the torque of the shaft may be having more of an effect on the direction and trajectory than I would have thought previously.   Yes, a lot of the p

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Bernie Baymiller
Alan,   No, half asleep, I'm not sure about reading any small graphs correctly. :-) So, I'm sending a couple of them for you to read.   One thing I've noticed in looking at all these graphs is that there is no increase in acceleration in about the last 40° before impact (in fact, a considera

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Graham Little
Alan   Yes, this is the sort of thing I was trying to sort out in my own mind. Also, see the comments I made in response to Bernies post. There have been many posts about the relationship between the speed of the swing and the oscilation or frequency of the shaft. It appears that the effect o

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Graham Little
Bernie   Yes it appears that that's what's happening. I guess the size of the decrease in acceleration and the degree to which the shaft straightens or bends back is what has surprised me. Overall, it appears that the affect of the head striking the ball has quite an affect on the head first

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Graham Little
Dave Yes, that's what I meant. It would have been clearer if I had just said that it was just after impact. Graham - Original Message - From: Dave Tutelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: 20 m

Re: ShopTalk: 20 min talk

2003-01-21 Thread Alan Brooks
Are you sure about those numbers?  A 40-ft/sec change in velocity in the half millisecond I have read the ball is in contact with the club is an average acceleration of 80,000 ft/sec/sec (a delta-V of 40 divided by a delta-t of 0.0005).  Seems a bit high.  A 90-mph club head is about 132-ft/sec (6