Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread André Cantin
Robert. Have you ever played around with the Equaliser from the PCS? Great tool for everyone to be on the same page. André. - Original Message - From: Robert Devino To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread André Cantin
+/- 0.25 Hosel Depth = 2 CPM. +/- 2 Grams Head wt. = 1 CPM. - Original Message - From: Harry F. Schiestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how? -- Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila

RE: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Childers, Tedd A
What frequency meter are you using? Could be a function of how well the shaft is clamped at 2.5 vs. 5 clamp length. The possibility of wobble at 2.5 clamp length goes up significantly as the shaft gets stiffer and oscillates at a higher frequency. Tedd

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Devino
Andre I have not used the Equalizer by pcs  what does it do ? Tedd, I am using a Mitchell set up.  I don't think that's a factor becuase a wobble would create a slope getting softer at the shorter clubs not stiffer.  Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 770-0475

RE: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Childers, Tedd A
I took it from your post that when you measured a set of clubs at 2.5 clamp length, they fit onto the straight line slope as predicted, however, when you measured using the 5 clamp length, the long irons looked fine but the short irons gave frequency measurements higher than expected. The

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread TFLAN
The 254 gm tip weight I use is a modifed drill chuck. I use it to establish freqs on sets of uncut iron shafts. That's for sorting them. When putting clubs together I use the actual heads, which are also weighted to so-called standard weights starting with an assumed 254 gram 5 iron head, then

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Devino
Ugh   I'll buy that, it makes sense.  It would be cool if we could find one system for all that gave us real readings. It would do alot so far as getting some kind of standard for us all to go buy.    When I was at HotStix we had a machine that used a drill chuck type clamp. We used it for

RE: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Childers, Tedd A
That's pretty much exactly what I do, with the exception of weighting the actual heads to whatever weight I need them to get my projected swingweight (might be based on a 254g 5-iron in one set and a 260g 5-iron in another set). Tedd From:

RE: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Childers, Tedd A
I know that with a GS frequency unit, you will likely have problems using a 2.5 clamp length due to the design of their clamp (5+ long with slightly angled, smooth, top and bottom jaws). Depending on the type of shaft (stepped or unstepped), I occasionally have problems at 3.25 (my Brunswick

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Brad Smith
Robert, Regarding the method at HotStix..I assume that if you were going to build irons for a specific player, you'd have one frequency target for Rifles and a different for non-Rifles because of the different clamping length which causes different cantilevered beam lengths. Is that

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Devino
we always went off a rifle scale but yeah the frequency's were different.  I didn't have the luxery of doing comparisons when I was there but here I have found about a 20 cycle difference between clamps until you get to the higher frequency sets and the shorter irons in those sets the

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Brad Smith
I understand the frequency difference, but I don't understand your statement about using the Rifle scale (I assume you mean freq chart) for non rifle products. If you thought a person needed a 6.0 in a Rifle, but they wanted TT, would you then build the TT, using the normal Rifle chart,

ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Harry F. Schiestel
This sure has opened up a can of worms, what is a true R, S, X flex?

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread TFLAN
Yes indeedy! You may recall we went through this exercise a couple years ago, with no significant results or agreement. I've said many times that the letter designation for flex, like the number designation for irons is essentially meaningless. Every mfr has a different take on what's R or S

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Devino
At Hotstix we  yes used the rifle chart (scale). We were given a frequency and just made the adjustment at the clamp for the type of shaft it was. So far as how far towards the head of the club off the finished length we put at the inside edge of the clamp.  Here at KZG we just change clamps in

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Devino
I wish we could get iron shafts like that in three frequency ranges but still close enough to build a set with.  Basically that's what you do when you build a set of Flighted Rifles from blanks.   So made a flighted set  that's cool!  Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca.

Re: ShopTalk: Performance benefits of long drivers

2008-12-11 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 09:18 PM 12/9/2008, Robert Devino wrote: Now Dave your gonna love this. Recently we have started testing the FitChip . Well it's been giving us some pretty interesting numbers to build for people... Low and behold, my swing speed, ball speed and distance all went up. Was the your [sic]

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread André Cantin
Hi Robert. The Equalizer is a software program that was built for standardizing shaft flex for the golf Industry. This system was introduced by the PCS a couple of years back for members only. The package included a shaft with a predetermined frequency( precision shaft with a high

Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm - how?

2008-12-11 Thread André Cantin
Robert. Tim at Myostrich has all about it on his website if interested: http://www.myostrichgolf.com/equalizer/ André. - Original Message - From: Robert Devino To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: 7-iron at 353 cpm -