Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread André Cantin
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart > At 03:20 PM 8/25/2006, André Cantin wrote: > >If you were to install a flat line set in the NF4 at a constant distance > >from let's say the butt end of the clu

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread Dave Tutelman
At 03:20 PM 8/25/2006, André Cantin wrote: If you were to install a flat line set in the NF4 at a constant distance from let's say the butt end of the club would the Nf4 record the same load or a different load for each club? My analysis (see http://www.tutelman.com/golfclubs/frequency.php )

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread Tom Wishon
y and brought him along to work for Brunswick. TOM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Tutelman Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:44 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart In the early 1970s, J

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread André Cantin
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart > In the early 1970s, Joseph Braly was the chief > scientist for Brunswick Shafts, which eventually > became Royal Precision. He came up with the idea > of frequency matching at that time, and ra

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread Dave Tutelman
In the early 1970s, Joseph Braly was the chief scientist for Brunswick Shafts, which eventually became Royal Precision. He came up with the idea of frequency matching at that time, and ran a bunch of human-golfer tests to see what frequency really meant. The outcome of these tests was that di

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread Childers, Tedd A
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of André Cantin Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:04 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart I was in the Canadian GW store yesterday and had a good conversation with one of the managers who took the Rifle training before they went b

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread Alan Brooks
Hi Andre, Yes, when you shorten a shaft the frequency goes up (hence it's stiffer?). Because the butt section is stiffer than the tip section trimming the butt leaves you with a softer shaft than if you trimmed the same amount from the tip - but the shaft is still stiffer than it was at the

ShopTalk: Flatline vs frequency chart

2006-08-25 Thread André Cantin
I was in the Canadian GW store yesterday and had a good conversation with one of the managers who took the Rifle training before they went belly up. According to him a flat line(single frequency) set does not produce the same flex across the set. In his opinion the short irons are softer in flex th

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread DADUGALLY
In a message dated 9/1/2002 7:32:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Dean, thanks for the response. Krell is a little above what my wife will approve. I checked Rotel and they didn't have anything that was 6.1 without adding an additional amplifier. I would like to consid

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Mark A. Patton
; with a Rotel receiver. They work great together... > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On Behalf Of Mark A. Patton > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline > >

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Dean Olynyk
t with a Rotel receiver. They work great together... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark A. Patton Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline Well don't use the TPS 5-Iron as the bench

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Dean Olynyk
Damn, that last post meant to go to Mark privately. Forgot to replace the address. Sorry...

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Mark A. Patton
gt; Thanks again for all of the comments and feedback. I'll be sure to let you > know how this comes out. > > Cub > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark A. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 20

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth
sure to let you know how this comes out. Cub - Original Message - From: "Mark A. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline > Steve > > Have read the responses through this evenin

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-09-01 Thread Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth
Gary, Close. I'll be cutting the all to the same freq, but varying the lengths by 1/2" or 1/4" from the 3 - 9 iron. Cub - Original Message - From: "Gary Tarbet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:14 AM

ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-31 Thread Gary Tarbet
Have been in and out of this discussion on flatline sets but keep seeing reference to the only difference between clubs being the loft on the clubheads. When I was taught to do flatline sets the difference was in the way you trimmed the tips. For example if the 3 iron was your longest iron you w

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-30 Thread Mark A. Patton
Steve Have read the responses through this evening, but how about this: Presuming a std iron set of 3-9 Determine your preferred middle iron (lets use a 6 for this example) as well as the freq for your preferred shaft (I have a good thought this is a known fact to you) Build some demo 3s and 9s

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Lloyd Hackman
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Flatline > I've discounted flat-line freq matching in the past but had a little time to > ponder it lately. Besides the fact that the short irons may hit longer and > higher, wouldn't you lose control all the way around?

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Michael Pogor
ard. i was pointing out that by using a much more flexible setup, the Rifle shaft can indeed be used. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tflan Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Macbyrd
Al, The Tommy Armour clubs were the EQL's. Made somewhere around 1992 I believe. Never really caught on but that doesn't necessarily mean they were bad clubs. Rich "Mac" McHattie Mac's Golf

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Scott Bershing
I run into this quite often. I usually buy 1 iron blanks, so I can trim them to whatever frequency I want, which makes it easy to trim to the correct flex while still giving the impression to the customer that they are hitting a stiffer flex. On probably 90% of the sets I have built in the la

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread tflan
g, using the same labels, often does the trick for the guy who can't hit the stiffer shaft but insists on having it in the head. TFlan - Original Message - From: "Michael Pogor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:34 PM S

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Dave Tutelman
- Original Message - From: Childers, Tedd A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:07 AM > Tough to get the swingweights the same or close to the same on a set with > all the clubs the same length. Agreed! > Also, the distance gaps between clubs gets > much closer, sinc

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Dan Neubecker
Also, the lie angles would all have to be adjusted. Dan Neubecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Childers, Tedd A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:07 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Flatline &

Re: RE: ShopTalk: Flatline - now Rifle issues

2002-08-29 Thread kellcats
the ballflight was correct. It seems they've fixed this with the project X - they produce very good ballflight. > > From: "Childers, Tedd A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2002/08/29 Thu AM 09:16:24 EDT > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PRO

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Childers, Tedd A
that is the same length for all clubs. Tedd -Original Message- From: Steve "Cub" Culbreth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline Mike, Excellent post! That's the kind of empirical data I

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Childers, Tedd A
onversions were developed over time by testing with very good players. Tedd -Original Message- From: Steve "Cub" Culbreth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline Mike, Excellent post! That

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Volcgolf

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-29 Thread Childers, Tedd A
Cub, I have been playing a set of Golfsmith Tour Cavity irons on Dynamic shafts at a 2 CPM/club slope for about 3-4 years now, and have been very happy with them. The reason I went to this set-up is a s follows. I was working at a golf range, and the clubmaker/head pro there was a big propone

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Al Taylor
;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline > > > > Cub, > > I have played and still have a set of Wilson Staff, system 45s? with Ti > > shafts flatlined at 310. Used that set to sh

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Michael Pogor
MAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve "Cub" Culbreth Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline Mike, Excellent post! That's the kind of empirical data I am looking for. No need to worry about me using Rifles.

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth
AIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Flatline > Cub, > I have played and still have a set of Wilson Staff, system 45s? with Ti > shafts flatlined at 310. Used that set to shoot all of my par games. Did > I

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth
ginal Message - From: "Michael Pogor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Flatline > Cub, > I've used flat-line clubs for the past ten years. My hdcp was 4 when I > changed, and now hove

Re: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Al Taylor
Cub, I have played and still have a set of Wilson Staff, system 45s? with Ti shafts flatlined at 310. Used that set to shoot all of my par games. Did I like them? You bet. Why don't I play them? I became a professional club maker. ;-) Al At 08:22 PM 8/28/2002, you wrote: >I've discounte

RE: ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Michael Pogor
flat-lining to leave well enough alone. Hope this helps, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve "Cub" Culbreth Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ShopTalk: Flatline I've discounted fla

ShopTalk: Flatline

2002-08-28 Thread Steve \"Cub\" Culbreth
I've discounted flat-line freq matching in the past but had a little time to ponder it lately. Besides the fact that the short irons may hit longer and higher, wouldn't you lose control all the way around? I mean, using a 4cpm slope we try to maintain the feel and playing flex throughout the set.