[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-16 Thread drllau
Taxs = death by thousand cuts is worse than being starved by neglect On Dec 16, 12:33 pm, David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com wrote: So what should be the role of govt? Tax everything then increase the said taxes. David if you are arguing that tax policy should favor innovation I'd

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-16 Thread David Lyon
Hi Lawrence, David if you are arguing that tax policy should favor innovation I'd have to challenge you to come up with some hard examples. I'm not. All I was saying was that in other devoped countries, with the UK being the easiest example, Government legalised illegal operations and then

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-15 Thread drllau
Cormac is repeating what many expert innovation specialists have known for years Territory = Talent + Technology + Tolerance But bringing the discussion back to govt intervention, my principle objection is that govt whilst being well-meaning (eg NatBroadBan) are actually in the politically

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-14 Thread Cormac
Hi. As I am an Irishman living in Ireland, with a self-declared interest in the innovation culture in Australia (see a previous post), I thought I’d give some insight into what you might learn from us. Firstly, creating a “valley” or innovation ecosystem takes TIME. It’s not something that can

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-14 Thread David Lyon
Hi Cormac, Well you are totally right on most points. But the sense of failure doesn't exist within Australians in the business sector or ordinary life. In Australia, we get lots of successes - even in business. The big problem we face is that our governments, (perhaps QLD, VIC and WA being

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-13 Thread drllau
On Dec 5, 9:12 pm, Paul Wallbank paulwallb...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly I think getting sensible, sustainable development policies into Sydney are about as likely as negative gearing being abolished. Since I'm a Kiwi, I'd point out that the NZ incubator model for comparison

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-13 Thread David Lyon
Actually, the Australian Government aren't stupid. In around 2000 they had $800 million marked for local investment in tech companies. What happened was that they couldn't find a way to allocate it. So the funds were moved to Singapore. They are being used there - perpahps to this day. Actually

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-05 Thread Paul Wallbank
Michael, I totally agree with everything you say but those are much bigger development issues. Sadly I think getting sensible, sustainable development policies into Sydney are about as likely as negative gearing being abolished. Aussie developers want 15 storey buildings with lots of investor

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-04 Thread hoops
+1 Elias That's the point. Yes they might fail. Who cares. In the process we might get some sort of tech hub going. What was the side effect to ireland ? well lets go back a bit. Before the moves, ireland was poor. quite poor. You did uni, got a green card thanks to clinton and the

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-04 Thread Dylan Jay
On 04/12/2010, at 10:35 AM, Elias Bizannes elias.bizan...@gmail.com wrote: I never said Google moved for the tax breaks; I used that example to point out the impact their presence has had on the Sydney startup scene. The fact a lot of companies are using Singapore as their regional

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-04 Thread Matt Moore
I may be missing something but don't we already have lots of tech multinationals in Australia who employees tens (if not hundreds) of thousands people? And while Ireland and Singapore have been mentioned as models to follow, no one has mentioned any Irish or Singaporean start-ups that have

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-03 Thread Geoff Langdale
Has something changed with Google's tax situation? I keep seeing these references to Google (amongst others, including Facebook) being more or less attracted by tax breaks here in Australia. As of not too long ago, they barely paid any tax here: google didn't need excessive government tax breaks

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-03 Thread Elias Bizannes
I never said Google moved for the tax breaks; I used that example to point out the impact their presence has had on the Sydney startup scene. The fact a lot of companies are using Singapore as their regional headquarters is the real measure of our competitiveness to attract these companies, of

[SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-03 Thread Paul Wallbank
I'll just jump in here with my experience of governments attracting multinational corporations in with tax benefits: It largely doesn't work. A good example is the Australian film industry where hundred of million, if not billions, has been wasted by state and Federal governments attracting over

Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: Interesting govt intervention

2010-12-03 Thread Matt Moore
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Having worked for 2 multinational tech companies, Australia is seen as small-to-medium, mature market whose main asset is its relative closeness to the high growth Asia region and its cultural similarity to the US. Tax is a minor issue compared to the