The mailing list is not the solution. Not just because I want to support
other existing intiatives, but because we can do it a lot smarter. And
because I'm a semantic web, data portability, light-weight biased kind of
guy - I think we could easily build this with an innovative approach.
My idea ab
I tend to agree with Brett. I try to keep my finger on the pulse of who's
hiring what in Australian startups and I find at least half of the tips
through mailing lists or forums etc. Email gets pushed to me without the
effort of going to check another website (tho Jobreel and no doubt 2vouch do
ema
Ninja in coding may well be becoming the new "dude" (or is that the
new cobol)
apparently even the data portability guys are using it
- from the "join the conversation" video - "standards ninjas". Are
they your normal ninjas (swords etc) or do they also know javascript ?
personally , i k
Interesting and entirely unintended discussion here, which I would love to continue over a few beers with you all. It'd be a fun and lively debate :)Kim, Rai, Ryan:I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I just felt it'd be useful to have a thread that kept people in the loop about jobs availabl
Completely agree Kim.
It was a point I meant to bring up earlier, but it slipped my mind.
There are tools and resources out there for exactly these kinds of
things, why not just use those?
Ryan, I understand your reservations. Such posts have been made here
over the life of the group, and thus fa
Haha - look what you've done, Brett!
Just caught up on this thread - made me laugh - glad to see a bit of
controversy in the scene for once. Gives me something to write about
at TechNation. Keep it up :P
Seriously though, didn't realise that a simple word would cause so
much drama. I've learnt a
Hi Rai,
If people decide they do want to keep posting jobs in the list, might I
suggest a little limitation then.
On another list I am on, people sometimes posts lists of things they have to
sell or rooms for rent or whatever. For some people on the list (that are in
the market) they are useful po
Hey all.
Been following the discussion all day, and only noticed now that
hackles are being raised. Frankly, I don't see what the fuss is
about.
I see the point of dropping the link in, and I also see the point of
keeping the convo flowing in here.
This was just a regular discussion imo. What I
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Stephen Price wrote:
> Love it.
>
> I'd just like to chip in here about Silky. (In response to someone telling
> him off). I'm guessing here but a few people who read Silky's emails take
> offence to them. I know Silky from another elist (never met him in real
> l
Sorry to hear about his loss. :(
Hmm.. that's spooky. Google put a link at the top of my Google Apps page
linking to "Conflict Resolution".
Perhaps we should moderate the list? Can't have people posting inappropriate
content that offends people and that breaks the list rules, can we. Oh wait,
isn'
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Stephen Price
> I'd just like to add that the guy he jumped all over (with little cause) is
> a good friend of mine also knows his stuff - and who lost an immediate
> family member to cancer a couple of days b
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Nathan de Vries wrote:
> On 23/01/2009, at 12:30 PM, silky wrote:
> > Younger kids, python/ruby/php types may like it, but it doesn't sit
> > well with me.
>
> You needed to add "GET OFF MY LAWN, YA YOUNG WHIPPER-SNAPPERS!" to
> complete the image. So close.
Damn
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Stephen Price wrote:
> Love it.
>
> I'd just like to chip in here about Silky. (In response to someone telling
> him off). I'm guessing here but a few people who read Silky's emails take
> offence to them. I know Silky from another elist (never met him in real
> li
Love it.
I'd just like to chip in here about Silky. (In response to someone telling
him off). I'm guessing here but a few people who read Silky's emails take
offence to them. I know Silky from another elist (never met him in real
life, but I look forward to the day. I think I shall hug him).
Now I
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Glen Maddern wrote:
>
> I gotta agree here - there's really nothing ninja about it. Unless you
> commit code with smoke bombs, and rollback by jumping backwards on to
> a roof. :)
i think this is somewhat apropos: http://xkcd.com/486/ :-)
--~--~-~--~
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Craig wrote:
>
> Because the people who they want like being called rockstar or ninja.
> If you don't then you are probably not the right person for the job.
>
>
Appropriate cultural fit is important - I know a couple of people on this
list that used to work for t
I gotta agree here - there's really nothing ninja about it. Unless you
commit code with smoke bombs, and rollback by jumping backwards on to
a roof. :)
Mind you, I honestly find the 'standard' position titles a little
ambiguous, as well.
So yes, 'ninja' irks me a bit. But i'm glad it's not
What? :-p
It was such a reductio ad absurdum kind of argument i thought people
would realise i was taking the piss.
Nevertheless consistency is important if you're advertising for role A
but then want to cram them into role B. You can be laid back without
pandering to some kid's ego by calling h
On 23/01/2009, at 4:03 PM, Warren Seen wrote:
> I know this wasn't aimed at me but what I'd say is that if they're
> consistent to the point where the actual position description,
> business cards or org chart show "code ninja" then sure, I'll buy it!
You can't honestly mean that if a company adve
f Warren Seen
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 4:04 PM
To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: Jobs / Vacant Positions.
> Out of interest, what do you think of GoodBarry's website & corporate
> image in general? Do you think it's childish and unprof
> Out of interest, what do you think of GoodBarry's website & corporate
> image in general? Do you think it's childish and unprofessional? You
> said you wouldn't dream of acting any differently to your normal self
> on this mailing list, perhaps the same can be said for GoodBarry and
> their corp
On 23/01/2009, at 12:30 PM, silky wrote:
> Younger kids, python/ruby/php types may like it, but it doesn't sit
> well with me.
You needed to add "GET OFF MY LAWN, YA YOUNG WHIPPER-SNAPPERS!" to
complete the image. So close.
Out of interest, what do you think of GoodBarry's website & corporat
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:30 PM, silky wrote:
>
>
>
> That's what I was trying to highlight. I was just trying to show that
> experienced people won't enjoy being called a "Ninja". Younger kids,
> python/ruby/php types may like it, but it doesn't sit well with me. I
> was just trying to make sure
>
> What's wrong with saying that, rather than trying to sex it up and
> sound cool with terms like rockstar, ninja, guru, etc? I identify more
> with that description than with the title "ninja" or anything like
> that.
>
Because the people who they want like being called rockstar or ninja.
If
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Warren Seen wrote:
> > What they do want is
> > people who are up to all hours every night obsessing over whether to
> > use jQuery or Prototype for their new RoR project they are about to
> > begin while sucking down Red Bull while they squeeze out that last
> >
> What they do want is
> people who are up to all hours every night obsessing over whether to
> use jQuery or Prototype for their new RoR project they are about to
> begin while sucking down Red Bull while they squeeze out that last
> line (or 1000) of code for the night. It sounds quite appealing
> > In contrast to your view silky, i find the expression Ninja extremely
> > enticing and extremely complimentary for programmers. I'd hate to see a job
> > advert asking for pirate programmers.
>
> Are you a programmer though? How long have you been one for? And what
> languages? And pirates >
HI,
Following this list/group for awhile, but first time posting to this list,
I'll do the quick intro. My name is Ryan Cross and I'm a trained engineer
(Mechanical & Comp Sci) waiting for the results on my robotics degree.
However, I get paid by running my own consulting company in web developmen
: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: Jobs / Vacant Positions.
> The language in the job ad is critical for attracting the right candidate
> and needs to ensure they fit with your culture. The example here using the
> word ninja is a great one. I suspect that
> The language in the job ad is critical for attracting the right candidate
> and needs to ensure they fit with your culture. The example here using the
> word ninja is a great one. I suspect that GoodBarry (I have no idea of their
> culture so this is a guess) want someone for that particular rol
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Michael Specht wrote:
>
> You guys have been having all the fun while I have been away from my PC to
> answer fully. I consider myself reasonable well versed in recruitment so
> this is a fascinating discussion.
>
> The language in the job ad is critical for attr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote:
> Silky,
>
> I think that opinions are valued - perhaps it is the smarmy and catty
> delivery of those opinions that people were objecting to. They are not
> in keeping with the great spirit of cooperation that I've seem on this
> list.
I don'
nology?
Attend the Inspecht HR Futures Conference
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From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com
[mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of silky
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 11:59 AM
To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SiliconB
Silky,
I think that opinions are valued - perhaps it is the smarmy and catty
delivery of those opinions that people were objecting to. They are not
in keeping with the great spirit of cooperation that I've seem on this
list.
Best regards, Andrew
Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com
http://uxbook
> At least that way you know that when you're dealing with me it's me;
> it's not a facade or a trick to try and get your money or earn your
> trust to take something from you. It's just me.
Now there's an interesting comment on "authenticity" which everyone
always bangs on about in "social media
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM, silky wrote:
[snip]
> > We all appreciate the sharing of a diverse array of opinions and experiences
> > and that helps us find the truth, but i would counsel you that you can will
> > more value from this community by working with this community and not
> > agai
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Nick HaC wrote:
> Silky - mate this forum is full of smart and influential people, many of
> which have had significantly more experience and success than both of us.
Sure? I'm still entitled to my opinion.
> Stephen Collins is a well known and well respected
Silky - mate this forum is full of smart and influential people, many of
which have had significantly more experience and success than both of us.
Stephen Collins is a well known and well respected community member with
deep and broad commercial experience - who you have now openly disregarded
in
Noon
I get your points, but I think the crankiness isn't a prerequisite. It
just makes you look snarky and intolerant.
I linked to my post as an indicator as to where some of the thinking
(including mine) is going. Up to you whether you read it. I don't much
mind.
And yes, you're right. Skills
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Stephen Collins wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Tyrone Castillo
> wrote:
> > Worse still is
> > "Oh you have 6 years experience in , we were looking 10"
> > I've seen many candidates get turned back who probably would have a better
> > fit in the
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Tyrone Castillo
wrote:
> Worse still is
> "Oh you have 6 years experience in , we were looking 10"
> I've seen many candidates get turned back who probably would have a better
> fit in the org than someone who has been warming the seat longer.
Frankly, and r
silky wrote:
> oh man, lets not even get started about talking about how incapable
> many recruitment agents are in understanding the varying differences
> between languages
I once asked a recruiter, who was looking for a copywriter for a large
Australian-based online retailer, what CMS the clien
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Sriram Panyam wrote:
> actually whats worse is talking to Recruitement Agents and hearing things
> like?
>
> "oh you have 10 years experience in C++, but my client is looking for C"
>
> replace with C++ and C with any and as
> fit!!
oh man, lets not even get s
Worse still is
"Oh you have 6 years experience in , we were looking 10"
I've seen many candidates get turned back who probably would have a
better fit in the org than someone who has been warming the seat longer.
On 23/01/2009, at 10:52 AM, Sriram Panyam wrote:
> actually whats worse is
Or, as seen recently, 3-10(!) years of Ruby on Rails experience. I
recall a similar thing happening about 12 months after .NET was
released too.
It's an instant credibility-hit because it says that you don't really
know much about the community you're hiring from.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:52
actually whats worse is talking to Recruitement Agents and hearing things
like?
"oh you have 10 years experience in C++, but my client is looking for C"
replace with C++ and C with any and as
fit!!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Warren Seen wrote:
>
> Better a pirate or ninja than a zombi
Better a pirate or ninja than a zombie I guess. ;-)
I've never been one to take myself too seriously but I have to agree
with silky, it does seem a little juvenile and condescending when
you're on the "wrong" side of 30 and have put in the hard yards - not
all of us have feudal Japanese fantasies
Speaking of twitter, here's a little something I knocked together this
week to aggregate hiring-related hashtags: http://hashjobs.com/
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Riges Younan (2vouch.com)
wrote:
> Thanks for the plug guys. Anyone on this list can use 2Vouch for free and
> only pay the r
Thanks for the plug guys. Anyone on this list can use 2Vouch for free and
only pay the referrer reward when you hire. Which for an $80k job is $1400
bucks. Just ping me of you¹re interested and we¹ll get that organised.
re: 2Vouch and Twitter we are working on it. Look out for two Aussie
Start-u
lolYeah, I agree. If they are looking for pirates then they should say so.
If they want pirate ninja's then sign me up, I want to be one. :)
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:13 AM, silky wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Nick HaC wrote:
> > In contrast to your view silky, i find the express
Perhaps a side effect of marketing? It's almost like when you read something
that legal people have had a hand in creating. You can see they've helped
write it and it makes you think "for gor's sake get to the point. what are
you selling me? Stop trying to butter me up".I see it akin to a 40 someth
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Nick HaC wrote:
> In contrast to your view silky, i find the expression Ninja extremely
> enticing and extremely complimentary for programmers. I'd hate to see a job
> advert asking for pirate programmers.
Are you a programmer though? How long have you been one
In contrast to your view silky, i find the expression Ninja extremely
enticing and extremely complimentary for programmers. I'd hate to see a job
advert asking for pirate programmers.
2Vouch looks great - we are excited to use it for our next hire. Althought
just recently we have found serveral gr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, silky wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brett | GoodBarry
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I thought it would be useful to start a thread to share open vacancies that
> > any of us may have (i.e we're hiring) or have heard of.
> > I know Mike is perpetually hir
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brett | GoodBarry wrote:
> Hi All,
> I thought it would be useful to start a thread to share open vacancies that
> any of us may have (i.e we're hiring) or have heard of.
> I know Mike is perpetually hiring at Atlassian and we're in the same boat at
> GoodBarry, s
Don't forget new Aussie startup http://2vouch.com/ who's breaking into the
jobs market. :)
Elias Bizannes
http://liako.biz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brett | GoodBarry wrote:
> Hi All,
> I thought it would be useful to start a thread to share open vacancies that
> any of us may have (i.e
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