Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-12 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 10/10/07, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see a global trend towards authoritorian systems, aided > by brinworld (ubiquitous automatic surveillance, and enforcement). > > Unless we do something, we'll live in an neverending nightmare. Interesting article from the Economist on this:

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 09:09:20AM +0530, shiv sastry wrote: > The point that I am getting at is that a democratic nation state requires two > important conditions to survive As an anarchist, I'm not a huge fan of top down hierarchical organization methods. Unfortunately, with the current flavor

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-10 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 shiv sastry said the following on 11/10/2007 07:39: > What is/was the RAF? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHDZ6hRQoToz9njMgRCE8dAKD2c/rIn7JjWYkO+SnRoX3sqmk/zwCfQKv/

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 10 Oct 2007 7:00 pm, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:10:22PM +0200, Dave Long wrote: > > >Since RAF, there has been no terrorism in Germany. What is/was the RAF? >I see a global trend towards authoritorian systems, aided >by brinworld (ubiquitous automatic surveillanc

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:10:22PM +0200, Dave Long wrote: > >Since RAF, there has been no terrorism in Germany. > > I recall missing being blown up at FRA by a couple of hours in the > late 80's -- was the RAF still active then, or was that just a one-off? According to http://www.rafinfo.de/ze

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-10 Thread Dave Long
Since RAF, there has been no terrorism in Germany. I recall missing being blown up at FRA by a couple of hours in the late 80's -- was the RAF still active then, or was that just a one-off? -Dave

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:34:16AM +0530, shiv sastry wrote: > Nations like the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain that are similarly democratic, > developed and wealthy have faced terrorism for decades. Israel and India too Since RAF, there has been no terrorism in Germany. And it's not a good thing. W

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread Nandkumar Saravade
shiv sastry wrote: A related article http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Young_officers_lead_from_the_front/articleshow/2430534.cms BTW Nandakumar - I saw you on NDTV re cybercrime. I sent an SMS saying that the govt should shift to OSS but NDTV ignored my SMS. So much for my importance

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread shiv sastry
A related article http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Young_officers_lead_from_the_front/articleshow/2430534.cms BTW Nandakumar - I saw you on NDTV re cybercrime. I sent an SMS saying that the govt should shift to OSS but NDTV ignored my SMS. So much for my importance in the scheme of thing

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread ashok _
On 10/4/07, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: > entire world! To lead from the front, this is the officers creed, not Rs > 15,000 a month! > >(http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showcolumns.aspx?id=COLEN20070021325)/ One of the reasons why the army is experiencing a severe shortage of officers. Also why

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread Nandkumar Saravade
shiv sastry wrote: On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 8:36 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 8:36 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after > these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's > at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each, right? >  What wer

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> A little OT but two Indian army majors were killed in action to > eliminate 9 armed intruders from Pakistan a couple of days ago > > A cousin of one of those Army officers has made this blog entry: > > http://bohemianfreespirit.blogspot.com/2007/10/saying-goodbye-is- > another-way-of-saying.htm

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread shiv sastry
A little OT but two Indian army majors were killed in action to eliminate 9 armed intruders from Pakistan a couple of days ago A cousin of one of those Army officers has made this blog entry: http://bohemianfreespirit.blogspot.com/2007/10/saying-goodbye-is-another-way-of-saying.html shiv

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 12:46 pm, ashok _ wrote: > in the abscence of such tactics they can never win.  you would just > need another attack to halve the statistical success of "we havent had > another attack". This is obvious. I just need to have one affair for my wife to understand that she is

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-04 Thread ashok _
On 10/4/07, shiv sastry wrote: > The US has "responded robustly" to one single attack on one September day. > Would there have been another attack? Your guess is as good as mine - but the > US was ripe for a terrorist attack (in my view). The US was sitting pretty > and secure in its relative geogr

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 03 Oct 2007 8:23 pm, Badri Natarajan wrote: > 1. Do you really think the US response to 9/11 (largely the invasions of > Iraq and Afghanistan, plus some silly security measures in the US, and a > few effective things like cutting off terrorist funding networks) have > made the US safer

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread Gautam John
On 10/3/07, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://bharat-rakshak.com/ > Thanks.

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread Thaths
On 10/3/07, Gautam John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/3/07, Badri Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS - I also read BR pretty frequently > Link please? http://bharat-rakshak.com/ Thaths -- Bart: I want to be emancipated. Homer: Emancipated?! Don't you like being a dude?

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread Gautam John
On 10/3/07, Badri Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS - I also read BR pretty frequently > Link please?

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread Badri Natarajan
> Well we've launched into one of my favorite topics - and I am guilty of > baiting. > > I believe Al Qaeda per se is toothless and almost meaningless as of today. > The > name Al Qaeda appeals to US and Western audiences, and Dubya needs AlQ. Shiv, Interesting thoughts. A couple of questions:

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 03 Oct 2007 12:23 pm, ashok _ wrote: > You mean "statistically" safe? > > If you live in a city with a high rate of violent muggings, you would > probably feel safer if you got mugged once, since you are now a > statistic, and your chances of getting mugged again are > "statistical

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread shiv sastry
Well we've launched into one of my favorite topics - and I am guilty of baiting. I believe Al Qaeda per se is toothless and almost meaningless as of today. The name Al Qaeda appeals to US and Western audiences, and Dubya needs AlQ. Whatever "strength" AlQ now has comes from a consolidation of

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-03 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 03/10/2007, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A robust response to terrorism such as that displayed by the US comes with its > own price. Other current threads on this list lament the price that is being > paid, but hey the US _HAS_BEEN_ safe from terrorism hasn't it? But is the response

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread ashok _
On 10/3/07, shiv sastry wrote: > > A robust response to terrorism such as that displayed by the US comes with its > own price. Other current threads on this list lament the price that is being > paid, but hey the US _HAS_BEEN_ safe from terrorism hasn't it? You mean "statistically" safe? If y

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread Biju Chacko
On 10/3/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 03 Oct 2007 7:17 am, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > What was your point, again? > > > Thanks for asking. > > A robust response to terrorism such as that displayed by the US comes with its > own price. Other current threads on this list l

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 03 Oct 2007 7:17 am, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > What was your point, again? Thanks for asking. A robust response to terrorism such as that displayed by the US comes with its own price. Other current threads on this list lament the price that is being paid, but hey the US _HAS_BEEN_

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 05:48 AM 10/3/2007 ] The US kicked Al Keeda in the butt and the US has been free from such attacks since. India OTOH mollified, mollycoddled and buggered about and has lost at least a thousand people to terrorists since 9-11. I find the thesis that the US has "kicked Al

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 02 Oct 2007 10:08 pm, F. Randall Farmer wrote: > Al-Kaida clearly planned it - they were proud to say so. The purponderance > of documented evidence from sources worldwide (not just domestic) supports > that conclusion. The US kicked Al Keeda in the butt and the US has been free from su

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread F. Randall Farmer
27;t apply if the even in question is BIG! :-P Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Venkat Mangudi Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:38 AM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] 9/11 again Does this article have any truth in it? How many

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread Gautam John
This: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3780541/The_9-11_Conspiracies-_Fact_or_Fiction.avi is a good compendium but I'm sure, as the comments therein attest, it has it's detractors too. On 10/2/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 01 Oct 2007 9:07 pm, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > > > http

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 01 Oct 2007 9:07 pm, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece Quote: > kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of >the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would >snap through at the

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Venkat Mangudi wrote: [ on 02:16 PM 10/2/2007 ] > Very interesting question. I must admit my first reaction on hearing > something intreesting is to toss it out to some friends (on silk and > elsewhere, too) to see what they think - a form of contextual peer review. Does it make the "news" mor

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-02 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Very interesting question. I must admit my first reaction on hearing > something intreesting is to toss it out to some friends (on silk and > elsewhere, too) to see what they think - a form of contextual peer review. Does it make the "news" more believable?

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-01 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Eugen Leitl wrote: [ on 10:35 PM 10/1/2007 ] > While we are on this topic, I would like to know how many of us on > Silk trust what the run-of-the-mill media reports on UFOs. How many of us on silk trust run-of-the-mill media, period? Very interesting question. I must admit my first reaction

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:52:23AM -0700, Thaths wrote: > While we are on this topic, I would like to know how many of us on > Silk trust what the run-of-the-mill media reports on UFOs. How many of us on silk trust run-of-the-mill media, period? -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl http://l

Re: [silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-01 Thread Thaths
On 10/1/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many of us on Silk trust > what run of the mill media reported on 9/11? While we are on this topic, I would like to know how many of us on Silk trust what the run-of-the-mill media reports on UFOs. Thaths -- Bart: I want to be emancipat

[silk] 9/11 again

2007-10-01 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Does this article have any truth in it? How many of us on Silk trust what run of the mill media reported on 9/11? http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece