Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-06 Thread Shyam Sunder
>> So advisors can do a good job here by looking into the situation in a more >> detailed manner and not use templatized assessments. Unfortunately this is >> not very scalable as a business, or I haven't found the right way, because >> I've been looking at it closely. As Doug Bader, WWII RAF A

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-06 Thread Deepak Shenoy
On 6 October 2014 16:39, Shyam Sunder wrote: > >> Good advisors too don't know what will happen, and tend to get into the > herd mentality, the crowd, the loss aversion and all those little > behavioural biases that screw up our investments. > > This is a bit like saying "good surgeons will leav

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-06 Thread Shyam Sunder
>> Good advisors too don't know what will happen, and tend to get into the herd >> mentality, the crowd, the loss aversion and all those little behavioural >> biases that screw up our investments. This is a bit like saying "good surgeons will leave their scalpels in your chest and stitch you

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-05 Thread Deepak Shenoy
I'm late to this discussion :) Thanks Lahar for pointing out my post! I've changed on one thing since that post. Index funds may not be the best option in India - and this is due to: - bad construction of indexes (we use a free float market cap weighted index largely, like the Sensex or Nifty, whi

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-01 Thread Deepak Misra
Jumping into this a bit late, but will try to avoid repititions 1) Open a PPF account in every member in the houses name. This is an absolute must and try to put as much as possible there. The high tax free return with compounding at zero risk is something that is difficult to match 2) The fir

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-10-01 Thread harry
Having lost large amounts of money on assorted useless things, enterprises and vices at different points what I can tell you is : 1) don't put your money into something you don't really understand. If someone has to explain it to you as to why its good for you should put your money into something

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Shyam Sunder
That's cool, Mahesh. Whatever works for you... -Original Message- From: silklist [mailto:silklist-bounces+shyam.sunder=peakalpha@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Mahesh Murthy Sent: 30 September 2014 15:19 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Financial planning O

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Shyam Sunder wrote: > >> Regarding DIRECT mode, as lawyers say, anyone who argues his own case > has a fool for a lawyer. > > >Wow. Such hubris. As though managing investments in stocks "should be > something left to the professionals" :-) You must say this to Buf

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
; > >> As soon as topics switch back to craft beer on the west coast, I will >> revert to radio silence. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: silklist [mailto:silklist-bounces+shyam.sunder= >> peakalpha@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Lahar Appaiah >&g

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Shyam Sunder
>>And the weighted average IRR (minus fees) over the period is? :-) Just >>kidding, don't answer that. It's off the charts :-)

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Aditya Kapil
On 30 Sep 2014 13:51, "Shyam Sunder" wrote: > :-) Good one, Mahesh. At the risk of appearing immodest, what I meant by a little knowledge was that we have been financial planners for the last ten years, work with about 3000 customers of whom about a 1000 pay us an annual fee for advice. And the

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Shyam Sunder
>> Regarding DIRECT mode, as lawyers say, anyone who argues his own case has a >> fool for a lawyer. >Wow. Such hubris. As though managing investments in stocks "should be >something left to the professionals" :-) You must say this to Buffet, Pabrai, >Jhunjhunwala and others, just to get a reac

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
topic I seem to > have acquired a little knowledge about. As soon as topics switch back to > craft beer on the west coast, I will revert to radio silence. > > -Original Message- > From: silklist > [mailto:silklist-bounces+shyam.sunder=peakalpha@lists.hserus.net] On

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Mahesh Murthy
vert to radio silence. > > -Original Message- > From: silklist [mailto:silklist-bounces+shyam.sunder= > peakalpha....@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Lahar Appaiah > Sent: 30 September 2014 11:50 > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Subject: Re: [silk] Financial plan

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Shyam Sunder
lklist-bounces+shyam.sunder=peakalpha@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Lahar Appaiah Sent: 30 September 2014 11:50 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Financial planning Our own Deepak Shenoy has Indianized this: http://capitalmind.in/2013/02/9-point-financial-plan-indian-edi

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-30 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:46 AM, skn wrote: > > 4. If you do have a little left over, buy some US stocks - I prefer ones > > like Google, Tesla, Twitter, which will do nothing but rise in the next > > 10 > > years. > > Always been conflicted by buying of individual shares. My reservation > comes

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Our own Deepak Shenoy has Indianized this: http://capitalmind.in/2013/02/9-point-financial-plan-indian-edition-and-comic-strips/ On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Aditya Kapil wrote: > I think, pound-for-pound, Scott Adams's is the best 'averaged-out' advice: > > > https://retirementplans.van

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Aditya Kapil
I think, pound-for-pound, Scott Adams's is the best 'averaged-out' advice: https://retirementplans.vanguard.com/VGApp/pe/PubVgiNews?ArticleName=DilbertGuidetoPersonalFinance Adit.

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread skn
> 4. If you do have a little left over, buy some US stocks - I prefer ones > like Google, Tesla, Twitter, which will do nothing but rise in the next > 10 > years. Always been conflicted by buying of individual shares. My reservation comes from the fact that unless you are a _very_ savvy investor w

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Mahesh Murthy
Some things I follow: 1. Real estate is not an investment - unless you can sell it, or unless the annual rental yield for it is greater than 10% of the purchase price. The truth is this, sure, the value of the property you buy to live in, say a 2 bhk can triple in 5 years time. But when it comes t

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Thaths
On Tue Sep 30 2014 at 1:41:56 PM skn wrote: > I was wondering how my fellow Silkers (is that how we are collectively > called?) have been (or have already) preparing for financial > independence in the later years? What are the good financial principles > to live by? Here are mine: - Inve

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Shyam Sunder
ssage- From: silklist [mailto:silklist-bounces+shyam.sunder=peakalpha@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of skn Sent: 30 September 2014 09:12 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] Financial planning Hi all, All this talk about retirement and how closely coupled it is with financial free

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Some basics that I've followed: 1. That old cliche, save before you spend. Plan your investments, and make sure the money for this goes out at the start of the month. Be a little aggressive here, see if you can stretch yourself and invest more. Your expenses tend to reflect what you have in liquid

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Shyam Sunder wrote: > Because money in itself is worthless, it only delivers > value when exchanged for something you care about. Oh, I agree entirely. The context for my comment: I am proceeding from the assumption that once you take a slightly longer term view

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
And do look up the paradox of thrift --srs (iPad) On 30-Sep-2014, at 10:12, Shyam Sunder wrote: >>> The most basic financial principle of all: spend less than you earn. > > As oversimplifications go, this is a relatively harmless one. Given this > follows closely on the discussion on retireme

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread skn
> Some more high level rambling: I am generally sceptical about real > estate as an investment vehicle. > 1. Returns are notional unless you sell the real estate in question > (this is true of all investments to some level, modulo annuities such as > dividends) > 2. Especially for salaried people

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Shyam Sunder
>>The most basic financial principle of all: spend less than you earn. As oversimplifications go, this is a relatively harmless one. Given this follows closely on the discussion on retirement, it is obvious why the brush is broad here. One of my favourite quotations is "if you don't know where you

Re: [silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 30/09/14 30-Sep-2014;9:11 am, skn wrote: > What are the good financial principles > to live by? Some of the things I have been trying to get my head around > are about property as an investment, (long term) investing in company > shares vs. index funds vs. mutual funds, % income to save vs. how

[silk] Financial planning

2014-09-29 Thread skn
Hi all, All this talk about retirement and how closely coupled it is with financial freedom got me thinking (more) about financial planning. I was wondering how my fellow Silkers (is that how we are collectively called?) have been (or have already) preparing for financial independence in the late