Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read

2001-10-15 Thread Joseph Fritz
H guess some people just hit reply:) Thought I said to send them to silverli...@chaosrealms.com got two so far http://www.chaosrealms.com/cslinks.html If you have any ideas let me know At 09:38 AM 10/15/01 -0700, you wrote: Here's mine www.silverpuppy.com Ken At 10:54 PM 10/14/01

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2001-10-15 Thread Ode Coyote
Here's mine www.silverpuppy.com Ken At 10:54 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote: >sounds like a good idea if anyone wants to send me a link send to >silverli...@chaosrealms.com I'll make a CS links page with all the links I >receive please only use this address for this it makes things easier to

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2001-10-14 Thread Joseph Fritz
sounds like a good idea if anyone wants to send me a link send to silverli...@chaosrealms.com I'll make a CS links page with all the links I receive please only use this address for this it makes things easier to organize and filter with my mail client At 01:15 PM 10/3/01 -0400, you wrote: Hi

Re: CS>List management

2001-10-14 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 10/14/2001 9:09:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sil...@chaosrealms.com writes: > > >> Joe: How long does your "new" CS remain colorless, and stable? Roger > Joe: Did it "go bad" after a month, or is that as long as you kept it before finally using it? Roger

Re: CS>List management

2001-10-14 Thread Joseph Fritz
At 09:14 AM 9/30/01 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2001 8:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sil...@chaosrealms.com writes: Subj:Re: CS>List management Date:9/30/2001 8:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time From:sil...@chaosrealms.com (Joseph Fritz) Reply-to: <mailto:silve

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2001-10-05 Thread A.V.R.A.
ent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read > > Guess what? > > I forgot about your website! It was working on being great last time I > looked...even disregarding the portion that...you know. > > I decided a while back t

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2001-10-05 Thread A.V.R.A.
rom: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read I'd be glad to host it on my website and have it on anyone elses website too, of course. But probably better, one of the free website avail

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2001-10-05 Thread Ode Coyote
irements, then one can set up a blind democracy of >parties whom have NO interest in colloidal silver, and a full-vote can be >taken to determine grey areas. > >Strategies for Integrity ( as I call them ) is a wonderful area of thought. >There is incredible room for growth in such manage

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2001-10-05 Thread Ode Coyote
I'd be glad to host it on my website and have it on anyone elses website too, of course. But probably better, one of the free website available, placed there and updated by a non vendor so that a vendor could link to it if they wanted. It's not hard. The page must be non edited if hosted on a ven

Re: CS>List Management Redux... members comments

2001-10-05 Thread M. G. Devour
"Herb" writes: > There is no reason to try to keep venders off the list because, if > they follow the rules and respect the fellow members, we will likely > not even know that they are venders. I agree with this. The key point is buy-in to both the letter of the list rules *and* to the mission.

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2001-10-05 Thread M. G. Devour
Peter writes: > Unless I have missed some of Stephen's posts, I have not seen > Stephen come even close to the kind of personal attacks and > insults that Bill dished out. No he hasn't, but he *did* persist in personal attacks on Frank whenever Frank would ... well, be Frank. (Meaning: state his

Re: CS>List Management Redux... members comments

2001-10-04 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
Several vendors post on their websites apparently legitimate, independent tests of CS made with their machines. One tests on so-called "toilet water," another on strep. bacteria. At some point I think it would be valuable to collect such independent lab. tests in a single folder entitled

Re: CS>List Management Redux... members comments

2001-10-04 Thread Marshall Dudley
rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > Herb: I think the major problem here is that we are not even on the > threshold of deciding the CRITERIA of what constitutes good or > excellent CS. That's why I believe that we will be wasting our time by > allowing one vender to debate another about whose CS is best. A

Re: CS>List Management Redux... members comments

2001-10-04 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 10/4/2001 1:10:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, herb321...@aol.com writes: > I question that any vender of any value will not blow his own horn on their > own products, especially if they really have done tests and conduced > trials. These tests and trials can be shared with the

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2001-10-04 Thread HERB321947
In a message dated 10/04/2001 4:34:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nour...@ix.netcom.com writes: > Peter: > >>Furthermore, I believe that vendors should be able to discuss freely the > pros > >>and cons of various cs products, including their own, so long it is done > in a > >>civil manner. Witho

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2001-10-04 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 10/4/2001 4:34:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nour...@ix.netcom.com writes: > The question is how to go about this without stifling the scientific debate > and the constructive exchange of ideas. Part of the job description of a > moderator is to intervene when the dialogue beg

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2001-10-04 Thread Peter Brandt
Peter: >>Furthermore, I believe that vendors should be able to discuss freely the pros >>and cons of various cs products, including their own, so long it is done in a >>civil manner. Without these type of educational exchanges the list would >>not be the same. Roger: >Don't the venders' websi

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2001-10-03 Thread A.V.R.A.
em ) is a wonderful area of thought. There is incredible room for growth in such managements. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read > It is a sore temptation to toot one

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2001-10-03 Thread Langsley Russell
Hi Ken. You said: "...It might be helpful to have a vendors page where each product is evaluated by an uninvolved expert [or panel of] and includes users comments which could be solicited from listers...not vendors..." That sounds like a great idea!! I'm not sure how feasible it is or how willing

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2001-10-03 Thread Ode Coyote
It is a sore temptation to toot ones own horn especially when someone asks what the best commercially available generator is and a sales op appears to a vendor. It would be very helpful if various people who use various commercial products chime in quickly with their experiences. That way both t

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2001-10-03 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 10/3/2001 3:11:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nour...@ix.netcom.com writes: > PS. Regarding list changes I am very much in line with Terry Chamberlin. > Furthermore, I believe that vendors should be able to discuss freely the > pros > and cons of various cs products, including

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2001-10-03 Thread Peter Brandt
I forgot to respond to this: Mike: >To take my response toward Bill as an endorsement is wrong. I do not think that anybody feels otherwise but I cannot help but think that you maybe waited to respond as long as you did because you felt that Stephen in a sense deserved getting a bit of his own m

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2001-10-03 Thread Peter Brandt
I forgot to respond to this: Mike: >To take my response toward Bill as an endorsement is wrong. I doubt very much that anybody would think otherwise, but maybe part of the reason that you waited to respond as long as you did was because you felt Stephen deserved to get back some of his own medic

CS>List Management Redux... Please Read

2001-10-03 Thread Peter Brandt
Peter: >> This has culminated with your letting Bill Fernald off with a slap >> on the wrist after his insulting and below-the-belt character >> assassination of Stephen Quinto. By not taking a firm stand as >> moderator and implementing sanctions against such deplorable >> behavior you give the i

Re: CS>List Management Feedback

2001-10-02 Thread M. G. Devour
I know I've seen what Judy is talking about. It's natural for the old-timers to get a bit tired of repeating the same answers again and again. There've been times when the response was a gruff, "Look in the archives!" Believe it or not. But you're both right that the archives are a useful resou

Re: CS>List Management Feedback

2001-10-02 Thread CKing001
The archives are tough to use now because they're so large. Newbies have a tough enough time knowing what questions to ask because this is so new to them. They get stuck in the archives for days! I've seen over and over certain members gruffly tell newbies to search the archives for a post on that

Re: CS>List Management Feedback

2001-10-02 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 10/2/2001 7:25:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alltogether...@webtv.net writes: > Subj:Re: CS>List Management Feedback > Date:10/2/2001 7:25:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:alltogether...@webtv.net (Arthur Rambo) > Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.co

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2001-10-02 Thread Arthur Rambo
That's funny; I just don't read it the same way. Suggesting that a newcomer look in the archives seems like a very helpful way to prompt some research. It would seem like a newcomer would be thankful to be pointed in the right direction. I've never seen a rude reply to a request for help. May

CS>List Management Feedback

2001-10-02 Thread Langsley Russell
Hi: I've been a member of this for less than two months so would be considered a genuine newcomer. As such I've kept many of my thoughts to myself. I did after all join your community. However there seems to be a genuine interest in hearing what people think of their individual experiences on this

Re: CS>List Management Redux... Please Read

2001-10-02 Thread M. G. Devour
Reid, Thank you for your kindness. You wrote: > I have had the feeling that your particular style is to give people > enough rope to hang themselves and this you have aptly done. In > short you have won. The risk has been in giving people enough room to take responsibility for themselves. Somet

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2001-10-02 Thread Reid Harvey
Mike, I want to make some comments on what you have said: ".I am *SORRY* that I permitted this mess to grow so big for such a very long time, my friends. The upside is that we have learned what we need to do to get back on track. The guidance I've received from so many of you has helped to mak

CS>List Management Redux... Please Read

2001-10-01 Thread M. G. Devour
Greetings Peter, and fellow listmembers, It is time to call a halt to the free-for-all I've permitted these last few days, and begin to address the issues that have been raised by so many of you. Normal standards of behavior are restored as of now, folks. Please behave accordingly. I will use

RE: CS>List management

2001-10-01 Thread Peter Brandt
I sent this email to the list Saturday night but to the wrong address. As I am re-sending it I am glad to see that Joanne has spoken up as well but saddened to see that she is the only one. I have never seen such lack of solidarity and camaraderie on any of the many email lists I have been a memb

Re: CS>List management

2001-10-01 Thread Joanne
: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: RE: CS>List management Mike, If Bill Fernald's comments had not been endorsed by others on the list, I might have remained quiet and let the matter die. For In his diatribe, some of the worst attributes

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-30 Thread Dottie Glenn
sides.  The problem, as I see it, is the totally off-topic rhetoric that just doesn't belong here.  Also, of course, civility should be insisted upon.Dottie Glenn Original Message Follows From: Terry Chamberlin Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject

RE: CS>List management

2001-09-30 Thread Stephen Quinto
Mike, If Bill Fernald's comments had not been endorsed by others on the list, I might have remained quiet and let the matter die. For In his diatribe, some of the worst attributes of human endeavor were expressed. I won't even bother to address them. The list should reflect carefully on what he

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-30 Thread ROGALTMAN
In a message dated 9/30/2001 8:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sil...@chaosrealms.com writes: > Subj:Re: CS>List management > Date:9/30/2001 8:35:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From:sil...@chaosrealms.com (Joseph Fritz) > Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silv

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-30 Thread Joseph Fritz
I say don't do anything about the technical stuff if anything more technical would be good! If someone writes something technical they could always put a plain English summary in it to help those less technical then they. Or if someone doesn't understand something they could always just use the

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-29 Thread M. G. Devour
Terry, thank you for re-sending these remarks to the list. Your further insights are quite instructive and I'm glad everyone has the chance to see them. > Some comments and observations, designed to be helpful and not > critical. Indeed helpful and not unwelcome in the least. > I understand you

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-29 Thread M. G. Devour
Thank you for the chance to read your thoughts, Terry. You wrote: > The post by bill fernald was actually an excellent example of the > kind of attitude I hope becomes scarce or non-existent on this list. > Some of the statements were mind-boggling. ... Cold and calculating, > but efficient. He t

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2001-09-29 Thread Tai-Pan
 Hi all,  Amen, Amen to this also.  Bless you,   Bob Lee Terry Chamberlin wrote: Mike, Some comments and observations, designed to be helpful and not critical. I understand your motivation for attempting to curb the depth of detail coming from some of the “techies” on the list. But the problem, a

Re: CS>List management

2001-09-29 Thread Harold MacDonald
.In other words,MIKE,you're doing a fine job.The only thing I don't like are the p - - - ing contests. Harold - Original Message - From: "Terry Chamberlin" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: CS>List management

CS>List management

2001-09-29 Thread Terry Chamberlin
Mike, Some comments and observations, designed to be helpful and not critical. I understand your motivation for attempting to curb the depth of detail coming from some of the “techies” on the list. But the problem, as I see it, with doing that is that you cannot establish a clear definition of wha

CS>List management

2001-09-29 Thread Terry Chamberlin
Mike, The post by bill fernald was actually an excellent example of the kind of attitude I hope becomes scarce or non-existent on this list. Some of the statements were mind-boggling. “In my opinion, listers should confine their questions and answers to the subject of colloidal silver and very cl