Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Nathan Cook
On 09/09/2007, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Nathan Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > What if the copy is not exact, but close enough to fool others who > know > > > you? > > > Maybe you won't have a choice. Suppose you die before we have > developed > > > the > > >

Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 11/09/2007, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, you are thinking in the present, where there can be only one copy of a > > > brain. When technology for uploading exists, you have a 100% chance of > > > becoming the original and a 100% chance of becoming the copy. > > > > It's the

RE: [singularity] Will AI like Led Zeppelin?

2007-09-10 Thread Don Detrich
Thanks for the replies. Excellent arguments, but they are much as I expected. I'm not sure it's going to be so easy to chuck two billion years of biological evolution without loosing something important. I suspect that the human/cyber combination is going to ultimately leverage the best of both wor

Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Panu Horsmalahti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/9/10, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > - Human belief in consciousness and subjective experience is universal and > > accepted without question. > > > It isn't. I am glad you spotted the flaw in these statements. > > Any belief

Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
2007/9/10, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > - Human belief in consciousness and subjective experience is universal and > accepted without question. It isn't. Any belief programmed into the brain through > natural selection must be true in any logical system that the human mind > can > comp

Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/09/07, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, it is not necessary to destroy the original. If you do destroy the > > > original you have a 100% chance of ending up as the copy, while if you > > > don't you have a 50% chance

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10/09/07, Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a final paradoxical example, if implementation Z is nothing, that > is it comprises no matter and information ar all, there still is a > correspondence function F(Z)=S which supposedly asserts that Z is X's > upload. There can even be a f

Re: [singularity] Towards the Singularity

2007-09-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10/09/07, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, it is not necessary to destroy the original. If you do destroy the > > original you have a 100% chance of ending up as the copy, while if you > > don't you have a 50% chance of ending up as the copy. It's like > > probability if the MWI

Re: [singularity] Summit on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle!

2007-09-10 Thread Joshua Fox
Is it just my imagination, or has the quality level of popular-press treatments of the Singularity improved in the last year or so? Aside from minor glitches, this one from the AP is pretty good http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070908/superintelligent_machines.html?.v=2 If so, plaudits to the Singularity

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-10 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Monday, September 10, 2007, Matt Mahoney wrote: MM> --- Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I intentionally don't want to exactly define what S is as it describes >> vaguely-defined 'subjective experience generator'. I instead leave it >> at description level. MM> If you can't define wh