Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Michael Lake
Bill Bennett wrote: I'd like to install elvis, which is a vi/ex clone, but it occurred to me to ask if anyone has any experience with others. Has anyone any strong feelings they'd like to air? When editing with it don't step on my blue suade shoes :-) Mike --

Re: [SLUG] Zsh: M-. should bring back last arg of prev cmd

2002-03-21 Thread Mike Holland
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Nick Croft wrote: I wrote too soon. Had to bindkey -m to establish a Meta key. Thanks - I wasnt aware of that one. No more !$ for me now. Am I the only zsh addict round here? Have been addicted to zsh since before I heard of Linux. Of course bash is doing a good job of

Re: [SLUG] Maps of Sydney ...

2002-03-21 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On Thu 21 Mar, Terry Collins bloviated thus: [1] the rational is that data collect by the US government has already been paid for by its citizens. Well, this might be the rationale for the following but isn't the specific reason why US GIS data is free. The US Government is not allowed to

Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8.2

2002-03-21 Thread Kevin Saenz
I'm using a 2 meg link and at times I am getting a piddley 0.32kbs So I am yet to see the download I started at 10am this morning complete :( Karl Bowden wrote: Has anybody finished downloading the 3 cd's of mandrake 8.2 yet? I am almost finished cd1 on my 56k connection (i get

[SLUG] iptables help required

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Rundle
Sluggers, I'm learning iptables by trial and terror and fail to understand iptables behaviour when matching rules. I thought that once a rule was matched the chain was exited but it appears that iptables continues down the chain attempting to match all rules. Is this true and if so what the hell

Re: [SLUG] iptables help required

2002-03-21 Thread Martin
$author = Peter Rundle ; I then add a couple of simple rules with # iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 80 -j LOG --log-prefix HTTP: # iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -j LOG --log-prefix OTHER: But when I list /var/log/messages I get both the HTTP and OTHER labels!!! Mar 21

Re: [SLUG] iptables help required

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Rundle
Ok, I think I've solved it. I can telnet to port 80 from another box ok I need to have | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT to allow the input packets that are coming back to the terminal to be accepted. (Doh, Dur, dummy etc etc). 'scuse my ignorance Cheers

Re: [SLUG] (no subject)

2002-03-21 Thread Stuart Guthrie
If you're running webmin on that there is a good overview package called systats. Visit the webmin home page. Otherwise ntop is good from the command line (you'll need to acquire it). ifconfig also gives you the poop. systats is pretty, gives cute little by the minute graphs including eth

Re: [SLUG] Maps of Sydney ...

2002-03-21 Thread Terry Collins
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: ...snip However, I think I would have a hard time convincing my grandmother why she should be paying for GIS data that you are going to use. She has (and we have) already paid for it. Most GIS activity in Australia is in the government sector. I'd say that most of

Re: [SLUG] Maps of Sydney ...

2002-03-21 Thread Michael Still
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Terry Collins wrote: If you want to develop a Linux based GIS application, you are crippled by having to buy or recapture real world data. There are at least two groups of CLUG people playing with GIS systems. They might have maps of Sydney going spare. Perhaps try

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Ken Foskey
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 17:28, Bill Bennett wrote: I'd like to install elvis, which is a vi/ex clone, but it occurred to me to ask if anyone has any experience with others. Has anyone any strong feelings they'd like to air? gvim rocks It seems to have the most updates happening to it.

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Karl Bowden
Give me my Windows Notepad any day. kicking my self what newsgroup was this again? /kicking my self I'd like to install elvis, which is a vi/ex clone, but it occurred to me to ask if anyone has any experience with others. Has anyone any strong feelings they'd like to air? Regards,

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Karl Clements
heh notepad is ok, but it all comes down to preference I probably use too many editors, joe and sometimes jed on console (or vi as a last resort), nedit and bluefish in X and textpad in winblows. -- Karl Clements Everyone is stupid, its just the degree that varies reply who=Karl Bowden

[SLUG] Looking For Free SMTP/POP Account,Any Suggestions?

2002-03-21 Thread $B%"%s%H%K!<(B $B%9%F%$%9(B
Hello I have been using yahoo for email using their smtp and pop accounts to send and receive my email. Now they have said they will be stopping free access to this next month. So now I am looking for another free email account somewhere which has smtp and pop access. There is quite a few

[SLUG] Maps of Sydney ... thanks

2002-03-21 Thread Harry Ohlsen
Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. Since the thing the maps are required for is a commercial product (currently, working on a proof of concept), there won't be any problem with paying someone for the data (although, I agree to some extent with the rationale that the data should be

Re: [SLUG] iptables help required

2002-03-21 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:33:21PM +1100, Peter Rundle wrote: I'm learning iptables by trial and terror and fail to understand iptables behaviour when matching rules. I thought that once a rule was matched the chain was exited but it appears that iptables continues down the chain attempting

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Christopher Booth
wine /mnt/windows/windows/notepad.exe if you must... Chris On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:38:16 +1100 Karl Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh notepad is ok, but it all comes down to preference I probably use too many editors, joe and sometimes jed on console (or vi as a last resort), nedit

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Christopher Booth
joe is great problem with using vim, is that if you go to a generic Solaris box, or telnet to it and try to edit something. You'll pull your hair out... or maybe it's just me, but for basic text editing joe is my fave. I like pico too Chris On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:38:16 +1100 Karl Clements

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
elvis is definitively the one this vi clone simply Rocks !!! On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 12:29:24AM +1100, Ken Foskey wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 17:28, Bill Bennett wrote: I'd like to install elvis, which is a vi/ex clone, but it occurred to me to ask if anyone has any experience with

Re: [SLUG] ask 2 questions

2002-03-21 Thread Nick Croft
* henry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dear Nuck: I am the root , the file is as attached. Henry, 1) What is your set-up. I don't understand why you write from Outlook. 2) Don't use `root'; create a user account, i.e. adduser henry You'll be asked to provide a password. Then logout

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread $B%"%s%H%K!<(B $B%9%F%$%9(B
wine /mnt/windows/windows/notepad.exe Anyone successful in installing Windows Media Player 7.1? I tried and it said it needed an IE version installed, so I tried to install IE5.5 only to get an error on installing IE that it could not connect to the internet. Success anyone?

Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jean-Francois Dive elvis is definitively the one this vi clone simply Rocks !!! Rather like banging two of them together. Rocks, I mean. :-) - Jeff -- The plural of lego is legouch, from when you tread on those plural on the floor in bare feet. -

[SLUG] (no subject)

2002-03-21 Thread Nick Croft
How many slug_members are there? I told the member for Taiwan 700. Nick /* _\|/_ (o o) +oOO-{_}-OOo--+ |Piano Technician - Theme Variations, Sydney| +*/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List

Re: [SLUG] (no subject)

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Nick Croft How many slug_members are there? I told the member for Taiwan 700. Around 550 on the mailing list, but Patrick will know how many financial members we currently have. You can come along tonight and sign up too. :) - Jeff -- So please lets focus on preparing to beat up

Re: [SLUG] Looking For Free SMTP/POP Account,Any Suggestions?

2002-03-21 Thread jon
Try www.myrealbox.com - it's run by Novell. For a normal webmail account, try www.linuxmail.org. Jon Hello I have been using yahoo for email using their smtp and pop accounts to send and receive my email. Now they have said they will be stopping free access to this next month. So now

Re: [SLUG] Looking For Free SMTP/POP Account,Any Suggestions?

2002-03-21 Thread jon
Try www.myrealbox.com - it's run by Novell. For a normal webmail account, try www.linuxmail.org. Jon Hello I have been using yahoo for email using their smtp and pop accounts to send and receive my email. Now they have said they will be stopping free access to this next month. So now

Re: [SLUG] ask 2 questions

2002-03-21 Thread Matthew Dalton
Nick Croft wrote: When you've finished, type `su henry' and you'll be yourself again. That's not the best thing to do, as it leaves you still logged in as root. All one has to do is type 'exit' and you're back at a root shell prompt. You're much better off typing 'exit' to leave the

Re: [SLUG] Zsh: M-. should bring back last arg of prev cmd

2002-03-21 Thread Nick Croft
* Andre Pang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: make _sure_ you run the 'compinstall' script. On my system (Debian unstable), it's in the /usr/share/zsh/4.0.4/functions/Completion directory. Debian unstable here likewise. compinstall lists as -rw-r--r-- . Do I need lines in .zshrc to the

[SLUG] Free Linux Training

2002-03-21 Thread Richard Hayes
Dear list, Anyone interested in free Linux training can register with IBM DeveloperWorks. They have about 50 different courses which starts with a basic Linux introduction through to a eight part course to help you study for LPI 101 exam. As well as advance topics such as Mosix clustering.

Re: wine (Was: Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.)

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Peter Hardy Commercial software, but well worth the price, and the money gets poured back in to wine development. Proprietary! We use Free commercial software *every* day. - Jeff -- Odd is good by the way. I knew normal in high school and normal hates

Re: wine (Was: Re: [SLUG] Opinions, please.)

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 10:39, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Peter Hardy Commercial software, but well worth the price, and the money gets poured back in to wine development. Proprietary! We use Free commercial software *every* day. Pedant! :-) Free software, with some proprietary

[SLUG] Permission denied when automounting /home

2002-03-21 Thread Nicholas Reese
Hi all, A simplification of my NIS problems: Whenever I try to mount the servers /home directory on a client machine (either manually or by automounting at startup) I get 'permission denied' from the server. I can mount other directories no worries. Is there some security thing here that I

[SLUG] zsh compinstall (was: Zsh: M-. should bring back last arg of prev cmd)

2002-03-21 Thread Andre Pang
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:22:22AM +1100, Nick Croft wrote: compinstall lists as -rw-r--r-- . Do I need lines in .zshrc to the effect of autoload -U compinstall compinstall ? Yep, that'll work. You can also source it: % . ./compinstall (assuming

Re: [SLUG] Permission denied when automounting /home

2002-03-21 Thread Karl Bowden
Out of curiosity what are the permissions on the home directory, and do you have any sym links in the first level of the home dir? Hi all, A simplification of my NIS problems: Whenever I try to mount the servers /home directory on a client machine (either manually or by automounting

[SLUG] Re: lynx's homepage?

2002-03-21 Thread Angus Lees
At 21 Mar 2002 10:17:51 +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 10:11, Jamie Honan wrote: Pictures, frames, ssl, and text mode browsing. Does w3m do http auth? This is the one sticking point that's stopped me from replacing lynx with links on all of my machines. w3m does. links

Re: [SLUG] Re: lynx's homepage?

2002-03-21 Thread Andre Pang
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:32:03PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote: At 21 Mar 2002 10:17:51 +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 10:11, Jamie Honan wrote: Pictures, frames, ssl, and text mode browsing. Does w3m do http auth? This is the one sticking point that's stopped me from

[SLUG] ls command

2002-03-21 Thread Dennis Curnow`
G'day Gang, I'm still having trouble getting X to start but have ordered RedHat 7.2 and am hoping that may talk to my video card better. Anyway to the question. Is there a parameter to add when doing a ls the restrict the screen to one page at a time a bit like the dos command dir /p/w

RE: [SLUG] ls command

2002-03-21 Thread Ben Donohue
What video card was it again? ls |more will page it. ls -la gives all the file details there's heaps of other switches. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Curnow` Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 11:41 AM To: Sydney Linux Users Group

Re: [SLUG] ls command

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dennis Curnow` Is there a parameter to add when doing a ls the restrict the screen to one page at a time a bit like the dos command dir /p/w The /p is for page at a time and the /w is to Use 'ls | more' or 'ls | less' (which is nicer). This exactly the same as using '| more' in

[SLUG] epson color stylus from commandline :debian2.2r5

2002-03-21 Thread Bill Taylor
thought I could copy printcap/local from rh, but it doesn't exist in debian. I want to print files so I can get x working. 2)or can I have multiple desktops/terminals from the commandline? tia Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

Re: [SLUG] epson color stylus from commandline :debian2.2r5

2002-03-21 Thread Robert Reid
I think printcap just lives in /etc/printcap in debian - but can't remember off the top of my head You can use Alt-F1, Alt-F2 ... F6 to switch between different virtual terminals, so you can have the text files open in a second terminal. Rob On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Bill Taylor wrote: thought I

Re: [SLUG] Re: lynx's homepage?

2002-03-21 Thread John Clarke
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 11:36:10AM +1100, Andre Pang wrote: That's pretty funky though. I've never _seen_ graphics in a terminal before, even though there's theoretically been support I assume you're talking about xterm here. Graphics terminals have been around for years: the first computer

RE: [SLUG] epson color stylus from commandline :debian2.2r5

2002-03-21 Thread Wienand Ian
1) no idea 2) you have multiple (or virtual more correctly) terminals just try holding alt-f1, alt-f2 etc to swap between them. as for multiple desktops on the command line check out the application screen (apt-get install screen). it really rocks and is like a window manager for your terminal.

[SLUG] PPTP and different network sizes

2002-03-21 Thread John Ferlito
If I have pptpd running on a linux box handing out say a remote IP address of 192.168.3.4 and a localip of 192.168.3.1. If a windows box connects then it does the equivelant of route add -net 192.168.3.0/24 gw 192.168.3.1 dev ppp0 is there anyway of changing the setup on the linux side

Re: [SLUG] PPTP and different network sizes

2002-03-21 Thread David Kempe
handed out rather than a /24. Just trying to save some pain of having windows users manually adding routes to other subnets. Isnt that what a default gateway is for? dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] iptables help required

2002-03-21 Thread Kevin Saenz
Peter, Firstly don't try by trial and error. Someone has already gone thru the same trouble as yourself. I would suggest that you go to freshmeat.net and do a search for iptables, there is a tutorial there I think it's boingworld.com or something like that. He is pretty good with his examples

Re: [SLUG] PPTP and different network sizes

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 13:30, David Kempe wrote: handed out rather than a /24. Just trying to save some pain of having windows users manually adding routes to other subnets. Isnt that what a default gateway is for? If you set the default gateway, then the client will route *everything*

Re: [SLUG] ls command

2002-03-21 Thread Kevin Saenz
you could try ls | more G'day Gang, I'm still having trouble getting X to start but have ordered RedHat 7.2 and am hoping that may talk to my video card better. Anyway to the question. Is there a parameter to add when doing a ls the restrict the screen to one page at a time a

Re: [SLUG] iptables accounting

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have a suggestion for software that generates reports on the amount of data going to each server that I can use for billing on a monthly basis?? ipac-ng - Jeff -- It's like having someone say to you, 'You should get back together with

Re: [SLUG] PPTP and different network sizes

2002-03-21 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
If you push your default gateway into the ppp tunnel interface, then you'll have troubles to send the GRE packet carring the PPTP traffic into it, it could be managed with a host route pointing to the external interface for the remote vpn peer address. However windows have some strange way to

Re: [SLUG] iptables accounting

2002-03-21 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
In fact,instead of loggging each packet, you should simply use the 2 counters associated with each rule. So, for example: Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 2408 packets, 1136110 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0

[SLUG] lilo stopping booting at L

2002-03-21 Thread Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP
Sorry for this coming from Outlook. I've got this new CPU and motherboard, and RAM, or rather 2nd hand. Anyway, my RedHat 7.1 hard disk, which dual boots between 2k and RH7.1. I am getting this error on boot up in which lilo stops at L. Any reason, why on

[SLUG] Re: wine (Was: Re: Opinions, please.)

2002-03-21 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Peter Hardy} On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 10:39, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Peter Hardy Commercial software, but well worth the price, and the money gets poured back in to wine development. Proprietary! We use Free commercial software *every* day. Pedant! :-) Free software,

[SLUG] Re: Re: lynx's homepage?

2002-03-21 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Andre Pang} On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 11:32:03PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote: At 21 Mar 2002 10:17:51 +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 10:11, Jamie Honan wrote: Pictures, frames, ssl, and text mode browsing. Does w3m do http auth? This is the one sticking point

Re: [SLUG] Re: wine (Was: Re: Opinions, please.)

2002-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Angus Lees note that as of a week or two ago, wine is now LGPL (instead of X11ish) I didn't realise this had already happened (and so soon!) - great! - Jeff -- And up in the corporate box there's a group of pleasant thirtysomething guys making tuneful music

Re: [SLUG] lilo stopping booting at L

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Hardy
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 16:00, Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: Sorry for this coming from Outlook. Nobody's perfect. ;-) I've got this new CPU and motherboard, and RAM, or rather 2nd hand. Anyway, my RedHat 7.1 hard disk, which dual boots between 2k and RH7.1. I

[SLUG] Re: Opinions, please.

2002-03-21 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Bill Bennett} I'd like to install elvis, which is a vi/ex clone, but it occurred to me to ask if anyone has any experience with others. Has anyone any strong feelings they'd like to air? emacs M-x viper-mode ;) it has 5 emulation levels, to ease the rehabilitation process. (why is

[SLUG] stopping a module from autoloading

2002-03-21 Thread Andy Eager
Hi all, Is there any way to stop a module from autoloading ? I am trying to get xcdroast to use my ide cd drive as the reader. When I put a cd into the IDE drive, it wants to mount the drive. (and it does!). When I try to rmmod ide-cd, it just goes and puts it back again. Got so sick of

[SLUG] ask wu-ftpd

2002-03-21 Thread henry
Dear List: Wu-ftpd is a programto serve ftp-client (auto-installed in RedHat7.1). A Book says : the file(/etc/inetd.conf ) should be modified to initialize Wu-ftpd . But There isno such file (except afile xinetd.conf without any data about ftp)in my computer. How could I know wu-ftpd is

[SLUG] Module Section Keyword Expected

2002-03-21 Thread Dennis Curnow`
G'Day Gang, I'm still fighting with X I now get a Module Section Keyword Expected error when trying to startx. What Keyword does it require and how and where do I give it one? Also there seems to be multple XF86Config files in different locations. Which file is referred to when X starts? TIA