[SLUG] ROCK! [Was: Which open source license]

2004-06-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I got involved as a direct result of Jeff W hassling me to become > involved. Basically he made me look at what I was interested in and > simply pick one. That's the coolest thing I've heard this month. ;-) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.or

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 15:01, Harald Richard Ashburner wrote: > When you assigned copyright to Star Office & OOo does this mean that > some meanie might be able to get control of this successful product, close > the source and change the copyright, freezing you out of the picture > altogether and c

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
> When you assigned copyright to Star Office & OOo does this mean that some > meanie might be able to get control of this successful product, close the > source and change the copyright, freezing you out of the picture > alltogether and causing much wailing accross the FLOSS community? That'd be

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Harald Richard Ashburner
Ken Foskey said: >You as author can assign copyright "for use" to multiple parties. I >have assigned copyright to Star Office and also OpenOffice.org when I >signed a long time ago. Hi Ken, This raises an interesting question. Now as a disclaimer I promise you that I am interested in your though

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:23:41AM +1000, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, Ken Foskey wrote: > > GPL is very specific, you cannot create a license that says that you > > cannot use it in a commercial instance. > > More specifically, the GPL is itself copyright *and not modifiable*. At

Off Topic? -> Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Dean Hamstead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 not sure if im correct, but i think this thread is more ontopic in the slug-chat list, but im sure debating licensing isnt ontopic for a linux discussion list. anyone with higher authority want to clarrify? not trying to stiffle debate but just trying t

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:29:42AM +1000, Andrew Bennetts wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:08:17AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > > From my understanding, there can only be one copyright holder over a > > specific creative work. When two or more entities both claim copyright > > over a wor

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:27:46AM +1000, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > From my understanding, there can only be one copyright holder over a > > specific creative work. When two or more entities both claim > > copyright over a work, they're actually claimin

Re: [SLUG] ISDN + T(unmentionable)

2004-06-05 Thread James Gray
Doug Foskey wrote: So, sounds like I am lucky I have been given an Ascend Pipeline 75 Remote LAN access box. I've got a pair of the 75's little brother (the pipeline 50's) running at my site, one active one spare, and they have been bullet-proof for the last 3 years. Simple setup, good support

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Bennetts
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 11:08:17AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > From my understanding, there can only be one copyright holder over a > specific creative work. When two or more entities both claim copyright > over a work, they're actually claiming rights over different parts of the > work. Id

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote: > From my understanding, there can only be one copyright holder over a > specific creative work. When two or more entities both claim > copyright over a work, they're actually claiming rights over different > parts of the work. Identifying whose parts a

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, Ken Foskey wrote: > GPL is very specific, you cannot create a license that says that you > cannot use it in a commercial instance. More specifically, the GPL is itself copyright *and not modifiable*. At the top it reads: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verb

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 10:56:00AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote: > On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 09:40, Mary Gardiner wrote: > > I don't think it makes sense to "assign ... copyright under dual > > licensing." > > You as author can assign copyright "for use" to multiple parties. I That's a permissive licence

[SLUG] caps lock hack from /.

2004-06-05 Thread Ken Foskey
Interesting hack, attribution follows: --- I've made mine into a 2nd shift key with the following code in my ~/.Xmodmap: remove lock = Caps_Lock add shift = Caps_Lock Now if I hit it by accident I wont even notice :) --- 2nd shift (Score:3, Informative) by SmileR.se (67

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 09:40, Mary Gardiner wrote: > I don't think it makes sense to "assign ... copyright under dual > licensing." You as author can assign copyright "for use" to multiple parties. I have assigned copyright to Star Office and also OpenOffice.org when I signed a long time ago. Da

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Del
It's horses for courses, and sometimes none of the open source licenses are exactly what you're looking for. Case in point. I wrote an app some years ago. Never mind what it does, but it has a GUI. Some people ported it to Windows. Some people ported it to a Mac. I don't own a Windows box and I

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, David Guest wrote: > Alternatively are their commercial contracts for assigning copyright > under dual licensing? (e.g. I get one dollar for every seat where this > application is used under a commercial license.) Or is this too messy > to handle in practice? I don't think it

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread David Guest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Waugh wrote: | | |> Just one small Q, lets say I develop an app and release it under |> say the GPL, if I then improve on this app adding new features |> and functionality and wish to make a $ with it can I then release |> it under a >closed sourc

[SLUG] problems with redhat

2004-06-05 Thread Gamil Coke
Dear All, I restarted my machine and since then I have not been able toget apache webserver to work I keep on getting errors like the following if i restart. [Sat Jun 05 08:39:50 2004] [warn] RSA server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == TRUE !?) [Sat Jun 05 08:39:5

Re: [SLUG] ISDN + T(unmentionable)

2004-06-05 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 18:48, Doug Foskey wrote: > So, sounds like I am lucky I have been given an Ascend Pipeline 75 Remote LAN > access box. Yep :} > The other alternative is to use the USB interface (of the Telstra box) > direct to my Firewall box (currently IPCop). Is this do-able? No id

Re: [SLUG] iSight for linux

2004-06-05 Thread Dean Hamstead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 usb webcams are usually cheap nasty pieces of commodity hardware but if you havent seen your wife/gf/partner/child in like 6 months theyre heaps better than nothing if you want serious webconferencing you go for something firewire based anyway. i would

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mike MacCana
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 13:06, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > For the record. I believe that LGPL is the only true Open Source license. > > Don't go down this road. "Open Source" and "Free Software" have definitions. Aye. The Open Source Definition is at www.opensource.org. You will note that sharewa

Re: [SLUG] iSight for linux

2004-06-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
> The Apple iSight looks nice, expensive like all Apple hardware. I see a > few forum posts of people saying that can get it working on linux, no > mention of which driver. Further its firewire only, I have yet to use my > firewire ports. Maybe it uses a standard Firewire protocol of sorts...? I

[SLUG] iSight for linux

2004-06-05 Thread Simon Males
Searching for a webcam that will work with the 2.6 kernel. Actually have a Logitech Quickcam express, although the author says 2.6 support should work, its not widly tested. Also crave a little more resolution. (Post back if you have a cam running on 2.6). The Apple iSight looks nice, expensive

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 18:57, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: > Just one small Q, lets say I develop an app and release it under say the > GPL, if I then improve on this app adding new features and functionality > and wish to make a $ with it can I then release it under a > >closed source license even tho

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Just one small Q, lets say I develop an app and release it under say the > GPL, if I then improve on this app adding new features and functionality > and wish to make a $ with it can I then release it under a > >closed source license even though it is heavily based > on GPL'd code? Because you

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004, Ken Foskey wrote: > Is the use of FOSS code in applications that are closed a huge evil or > do we want to propagate the use of FOSS code. This is one of those trick questions isn't it? If I answer "the use of FOSS code in applications that are closed a huge evil" then I'm sa

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: > Just one small Q, lets say I develop an app and release it under say > the GPL, if I then improve on this app adding new features and > functionality and wish to make a $ with it can I then release it under > a >closed source license even though it is

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Brad Kowalczyk
Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 13:18, Mary Gardiner wrote: - for larger projects: LGPL or GPL, because I tend to be interested in the health of the project more than the ability of people to use the code for whatever purpose they like (distributing the code is healthy for the proj

Re: [SLUG] ISDN + T(unmentionable)

2004-06-05 Thread Doug Foskey
So, sounds like I am lucky I have been given an Ascend Pipeline 75 Remote LAN access box. The other alternative is to use the USB interface (of the Telstra box) direct to my Firewall box (currently IPCop). Is this do-able? regards Doug On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:15 pm, Robert Collins wrote: > On

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 13:18, Mary Gardiner wrote: > - for larger projects: LGPL or GPL, because I tend to be interested in >the health of the project more than the ability of people to use the >code for whatever purpose they like (distributing the code is healthy >for the project, dis

Re: [SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader - soln for anyone who's interested

2004-06-05 Thread Paul Robinson
If anyone wants to do this sort of thing I sorted it out. Autofs doesn't automatically create the directory listed in /etc/autofs.misc, you have to cd to it. When using a GUI file manager or browser "save as" you can't "cd" to the dir as it doesn't exist till it's mounted and it's mounted by cd'in

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Felix Sheldon
Robert Collins wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 16:00, Felix Sheldon wrote: There are many ways to use code, at runtime, linking, directly copying in full or just taking bits of it. I think the Free software licenses are not so much about what you can and can't do, just that you must *always* pro

RE: [SLUG] Linux on a Toshiba Satellite A30

2004-06-05 Thread gonny
Hi all, Good news I managed to get past that part, I managed to stumble across a forum which someone had a similar problem. What I did when I got to that screen was bash the keyboard (yes I know it sounds strange) I found that after bashing it for a bit it became responsive and I could tab move th

Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best

2004-06-05 Thread Felix Sheldon
Robert Collins wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 16:53, Felix Sheldon wrote: > "combine it with other code" + "distribute it" Nothing in the GPL rules it out. Maybe the license on the other code says something about it, but the GPL doesn't. Actually, the GPL 'no other constraints may be imposed