Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-27 Thread QuantumG
Speaking of static analysis. I managed to get an evaluation version of this software: http://www.eschertech.com/products/ It works by changing the level of representation at which you write software. Instead of writing imperative programs you write declarative specifications. The

Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-27 Thread James Polley
On 9/27/05, QuantumG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of static analysis. I managed to get an evaluation version of this software: http://www.eschertech.com/products/ It works by changing the level of representation at which you write software. Instead of writing imperative programs

Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-27 Thread Benno
On Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 17:01:55 +1000, QuantumG wrote: Speaking of static analysis. I managed to get an evaluation version of this software: http://www.eschertech.com/products/ It works by changing the level of representation at which you write software. Instead of writing imperative

Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-27 Thread QuantumG
Benno wrote: There is also Isabelle: http://isabelle.in.tum.de/ which is free. I've seen this before but run away screaming because it is Emacs based. Two options, I can try to learn Emacs (shudder) or I can try to figure out how this thing is integrated with Emacs and use it without

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Gottfried Szing
hi F-Spot rocks when it comes to photo management. Almost as good as Google's picasa. :-) does someone can suggest a good and fast(!) image browser for linux? sth like acdsee for windows? i cannot try f-spot because my debian box cannot resolve some depencies. br, gottfried -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-27 Thread Matthew Hannigan
People might be interested in this article and the pdf listed therein: Static Typing Where Possible, Dynamic Typing When Needed http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/834 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Raphael Kraus
G'day Gottfried and all... does someone can suggest a good and fast(!) image browser for linux? sth like acdsee for windows? i cannot try f-spot because my debian box cannot resolve some depencies. gThumb image view under gnome is the most acdsee like... # apt-get install gthumb should

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Sam Couter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) cvs That's ... if you have more than 1 person working on the code. ... or even if you're working alone. As for programming languages I recommand: C/C++ (gcc/g++) perl shell (script) Java Python -- Sam Eddie Couter | mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [SLUG] Laptop and lspci results

2005-09-27 Thread James Ballantine
Bill wrote: Have just tried an MSI M510c notebook with Kanotix (Debian) 2005.03 lite and viewing the results of lspci determined that Kanotix found all of the hardware. Does this mean that I can expect that everything that was found will work ? Or does it mean that hardware detection has

[SLUG] iim-xbe freezing firefox?

2005-09-27 Thread Martin Ellison
For some reason a process called iim-xbe is freezing firefox. Does anyone know why, how, or how to fix it? I find that after booting firefox is ok for several seconds and then freezes and goes 'not responding'. If I get into the system monitor and kill this iim-xbe process before this happens,

[SLUG] Re: Monthly Meeting: Friday, September 30th

2005-09-27 Thread Chris Deigan
7:00pm (approx): General Talk Matthew Palmer - Your own personal Mainframe: Virtual Machines for fun and profit 8:00pm (approx): Break Refreshments in the foyer, for a small covering charge. 8:20pm (approx): Split into two groups for: * Special Interest Talk: Newbie Orientation

[SLUG] urgent help requested for Solaris

2005-09-27 Thread Charles Gallagher
Hi all, I know I must first apologize that this is not a Linux question so much as a Solaris one, however I’m pressed for time in a big way and have had a brain seizure or something and cant recall the answer and cant find it in the manual. Running Solaris 10 on the network I need to FTP to the

Re: [SLUG] urgent help requested for Solaris

2005-09-27 Thread Tony Green
On 27/09/2005, at 4:16 PM, Charles Gallagher wrote: Running Solaris 10 on the network I need to FTP to the internet to get updates to software. However there is no DNS server for the internet and gateway to the internet defined. DNS == /etc/resolv.conf gateway == /etc/defaultrouter (or

[SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Paul Maloney
Hi all, Well I have finally got debian up and running, well in a text mode at least. How do I got it to boot into graphics mode. thanks in advance.Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Dean Hamstead
youll need to install x and then gdm or xdm apt-get install gdm Dean Paul Maloney wrote: Hi all, Well I have finally got debian up and running, well in a text mode at least. How do I got it to boot into graphics mode. thanks in advance.Paul -- WWW: http://dean.bong.com.au LAN:

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On 27/9/2005, Dean Hamstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: youll need to install x and then gdm or xdm apt-get install gdm Or better yet, install Ubuntu instead of Debian. It will be a lot easier. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On 27/9/2005, Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or better yet, install Ubuntu instead of Debian. It will be a lot easier. Sorry, rather than be accused of being a religious nut, I'll point out that Ubuntu has Debian under the hood. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List -

[SLUG] uba1 not set up

2005-09-27 Thread Ken Foskey
I want my USB back please.. Debian unstable, K2.6.11 (2.6.12 tried a couple of times but it locked up in java) I plug in my key and it comes up with uba1 as the device on the console. There is nothing that suggests uba1 anywhere how do I create the device? I have installed hotplug and autofs

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
QuantumG wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: You will notice that something like the Array.mapi function is much less likely to contain errors than the C for loop. What I noticed is that they invented syntax when they could have just as easily have used C syntax. Way to knife your

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Dean Hamstead
that wouldnt really solve the problem Dean Rev Simon Rumble wrote: On 27/9/2005, Dean Hamstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: youll need to install x and then gdm or xdm apt-get install gdm Or better yet, install Ubuntu instead of Debian. It will be a lot easier. -- WWW:

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread O Plameras
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: You will notice that something like the Array.mapi function is much less likely to contain errors than the C for loop. I can modify my C-program to remove that problem in the ff. So, as to whether a C-program is more prone to error relies on the manner and style

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: I can modify my C-program to remove that problem in the ff. So, as to whether a C-program is more prone to error relies on the manner and style of coding and not intrinsic to C-language. Don't you think ? I don't think its specific to the C language, I think its intrinsic

Re: [SLUG] local Ubuntu apt server

2005-09-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Carlo Sogono I need to setup a local Ubuntu apt server but don't know where to start. I need something that syncs with official Ubuntu servers but I only want it to sync packages I define. Is this possible? Definitely check out apt-proxy (as suggested by Matt and Mary), but if you

Re: [SLUG] Re: Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ben Buxton grip Yep - agreed here. It just works and is simple. You might want to try Sound Juicer some time. I don't tend to regard grip as 'just works' and 'simple', given s-j. ;-) - Jeff -- GNOME Summit: October 8th-10th http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread O Plameras
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: O Plameras wrote: I can modify my C-program to remove that problem in the ff. So, as to whether a C-program is more prone to error relies on the manner and style of coding and not intrinsic to C-language. Don't you think ? I don't think its specific to the

RE: [SLUG] Re: local Ubuntu apt server

2005-09-27 Thread Carlo Sogono
However, what is your use case for this? If it's the common one that you have a bunch of machines and don't want to download the same packages for each machine gets updated, then you should look at using the apt-proxy program, which is available on Ubuntu. apt-proxy works like this: Ye

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread QuantumG
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Nice troll or was it? read The End Of History And The Last Programming Language. Best I can find for a web reference: http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~leavens/ComS541Fall97/hw-pages/history/gabriel.html Basically if your language is new and you don't have a C

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread QuantumG
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: All you've done is replace the for loop with a while loop. You are still setting the start condition and the end condition for the looping operation. These are things the compiler (or rather the language) expect you to do. In Io (a dynamically typed language)

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:57:25PM EST, Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? In no particular order: links2 - web browsing. mutt - email nano - text/document editing. pdftotext/html, catdoc etc - Utilities to convert PDF/word documents to text for reading

Re: [SLUG] Laptop and lspci results

2005-09-27 Thread Simon Wong
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 13:14 +1000, Bill wrote: Does this mean that I can expect that everything that was found will work ? Or does it mean that hardware detection has worked and mileage may vary in actually trying to utilise the hardware components? I just recently discovered a great tool

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Dave Kempe
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:57:25PM EST, Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? It seems a sad state of linux on the desktop where nearly everyone has replied with what would be considered command-line apps. Or perhaps there was a joke there I missed. I

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Benno
On Wed Sep 28, 2005 at 09:01:00 +1000, Dave Kempe wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:57:25PM EST, Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? It seems a sad state of linux on the desktop where nearly everyone has replied with what would be considered command-line

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 18:25 +1000, Sam Couter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) cvs That's ... if you have more than 1 person working on the code. ... or even if you're working alone. One can argue that CVS is only useful if you are working alone ;0 Rob -- GPG key

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:46:20PM +1000, O Plameras wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: You will notice that something like the Array.mapi function is much less likely to contain errors than the C for loop. I can modify my C-program to remove that problem in the ff. So, as to whether a

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread amos
On 9/27/05, Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/9/2005, Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or better yet, install Ubuntu instead of Debian. It will be a lot easier. Sorry, rather than be accused of being a religious nut, I'll point out that Ubuntu has Debian under the

Re: [SLUG] Re: Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Robert Collins grip Yep - agreed here. It just works and is simple. You might want to try Sound Juicer some time. I don't tend to regard grip as 'just works' and 'simple', given s-j. ;-) If it did what I wanted, sure. grip was - oh, 15 minutes to setup, about 3

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread James Polley
On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That will get him a Ubuntu system, not a Debian system. As much as Ubuntu is based on Debian, you are limited to Ubuntu's world and can't practically install packages from Debian. Not true. Ubuntu by default has a (disabled) repository

[SLUG] Installing X in Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Peter Hardy
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 21:28 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote: youll need to install x and then gdm or xdm apt-get install gdm To expand on this slightly: You'll need an X server with a couple of support packages, and having a display manager like gdm is also a good idea. First, I'd suggest

Re: [SLUG] Debian

2005-09-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=James Polley But, Ubuntu is geared toward being a much nicer desktop system - whereas stock Debian is geared to being flexible enough to be anything at all you want it to be Sort of... Ubuntu *happens* to be great for desktops, but it's appropriate (and designed!) for more than just

Re: [SLUG] Installing X in Debian

2005-09-27 Thread QuantumG
Peter Hardy wrote: Then you need an X server (the program responsible for accepting input and actually drawing on the screen), Which reminds me. Does anyone know the status of Gnome/DirectFB? Last time I checked they were finding DirectFB a bit of a moving target. Trent -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread David
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:09:38AM +1000, Benno wrote: On Wed Sep 28, 2005 at 09:01:00 +1000, Dave Kempe wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:57:25PM EST, Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? Personally I find mutt a better email client than any other mail

[SLUG] Re: slug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 58

2005-09-27 Thread James
On Wednesday 28 September 2005 09:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:57:25PM EST, Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? It seems a sad state of linux on the desktop where nearly everyone has replied with what would be considered

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Bruce Badger
On 9/28/05, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are doing low volumes, I can't imagine a punter using mutt. It's really hard to convince someone raised on gui that consoles are actually easier. Perhaps we could have a SLUG talk on mutt? I've heard so many good things about mutt, so I'l

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread David
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 11:29:29AM +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: On 9/28/05, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are doing low volumes, I can't imagine a punter using mutt. It's really hard to convince someone raised on gui that consoles are actually easier. Perhaps we could have a SLUG

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Taryn East
* David [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 11:29:29AM +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: On 9/28/05, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are doing low volumes, I can't imagine a punter using mutt. It's really hard to convince someone raised on gui that consoles are actually

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-27 Thread Mike MacCana
On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote: mutt for speed squirrelmail for pictures, html, pdf, other gui crap, etc. You might be interested in roundcube. OSS webmail like Squirrelmail, except it doesn't look like arse. http://www.roundcube.net/ Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's