Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Alexander Samad
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:01:25PM +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote: On Mon, November 6, 2006 1:31 pm, Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:30:21PM +1100, david wrote: I'm going to be /really/ annoying and ask whether you really need a pda phone :-). most ppl I know seem to

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Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/6/06, Alexander Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one advantage of having the 2 together is you can dial straight from your contact list. This is pretty much the only reason to put the two together, but don't forget VoIP. You'll need WiFi on the PDA so you can call out with VoIP and no

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:01:25PM +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote: I'm going to be /really/ annoying and ask whether you really need a pda phone :-). most ppl I know seem to think , yes' The one advantage of having the 2 together is you can dial straight from your contact list. for example

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Mon, November 6, 2006 7:09 pm, Alexander Samad wrote: The one advantage of having the 2 together is you can dial straight from your contact list. for example open calendar, view appointment, look at invitees and open contact details and then ring, instead of having to transfer phone

[SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread tuxta2
Hi all, Im a little worried, and a little excited about the Novell, microsoft deal. Worried because Microsoft tend to want to screw everyone they come in contact with that is not Microsoft, and excited that they will be working on some mutually benificial projects, like openoffice and Xen.

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen
2006/11/6, tuxta2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, Im a little worried, and a little excited about the Novell, microsoft deal. Microsoft has done this many times before, so often that Redmond has a name for the technique: embrace, extend and exterminate. And yet people keep doing these deals.

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Mon, November 6, 2006 8:48 pm, Ben wrote: The other point is that getting a phone/PDA combo isn't the efficiency helper it might seem to be, (which I'd forgotten about, having been rid of the things for a while now). -snip- I have been a long time PDA user, largely for reasons you

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/6/06, tuxta2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people think? I would be very interested to hear some opinions. This comment seems to be realistic, except for the finishing off bit. I think Microsoft has much more to gain by keeping Linux around and selling IP licenses for it.

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
Sorry Ben I don't know anything that has the behavior described - perhaps you can check www.gnomefiles.org ? Good Luck :) James On 11/6/06, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/6/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/6/06, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a Gnome

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Mary Cudmore
What's the PDA for? Email, calendar, contacts, notes, photos, games, browser, various apps, music player, ssh client .. It'll very much depend upon what the requirement is. Mary. Voytek Eymont wrote: On Mon, November 6, 2006 8:48 pm, Ben wrote: The other point is that getting a

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Mon, November 6, 2006 11:36 pm, Mary Cudmore wrote: What's the PDA for? Email, calendar, contacts, notes, photos, games, browser, various apps, music player, ssh client .. all of the above, plus a few more, to replace notebook It'll very much depend upon what the requirement is. yes.

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/6/06, Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been a long time PDA user, largely for reasons you mentioned, every time I was considering new hardware, that exactly why I always ended up going for PDA-only I wish I'd gone down that path myself. I've wasted $2K messing about with

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Tue, November 7, 2006 12:19 am, Ben wrote: On 11/6/06, Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I'd gone down that path myself. I've wasted $2K messing about with smartphones. thanks, Ben, I feel $2k richer now... One other option is to get a decent PDA with CF or USB functionality

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Voytek Eymont lastly, as much as I like Palm, sadly, I feel PalmOS is heading for dead end, now that Palm is making wince Treos. ALP is looking good. I think WinCE was inevitable with Palm and PalmSource parting ways... But now PalmSource is part of ACCESS. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread slug-bounces
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:50:57PM +1100, Ben wrote: On 11/6/06, tuxta2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people think? I would be very interested to hear some opinions. This comment seems to be realistic, except for the finishing off bit. I think Microsoft has much more to gain by

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Morgan Storey
david wrote: Excuse my ignorance... but I've been asked to get a PDA phone for my wife, about which I know zilch. Can anyone suggest a retailer in or near the Sydney CBD that actually doesn't faint when I say the word linux, or alternatively, is there a model that is just so good

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Ryan Verner
I'll add my 2c - I bought an o2 Atom PDA/Phone about 6 months ago, and it's a decision I'm quite happy with, despite it being a Windows Mobile device. I honestly have no idea how I lived without it before. http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaAtomExec/template/Product.vm The Atom is a very small,

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
Acutally ben I found something almost exactly fits what you described http://forgeftp.novell.com//greent/homepage/index.html On 11/6/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Ben I don't know anything that has the behavior described - perhaps you can check www.gnomefiles.org ? Good Luck

[SLUG] [OT] SQL Server 2005 SP2

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
Hey, WAY off topic but did anyone get a copy of SQL Server 2005 SP2 before Microsoft pulled it from their website? I need it for testing on Vista. ~James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] PDA/phone/linux

2006-11-06 Thread Christopher Vance
On 11/7/06, Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, November 6, 2006 8:10 pm, Ryan Verner wrote: I'll add my 2c - I bought an o2 Atom PDA/Phone about 6 months ago, and it's a decision I'm quite happy with, despite it being a Windows Mobile device. I honestly have no idea how I lived

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Visser
Sadly, having an algorithm coded in open source doesn't protect one from the patent lawyers. For instance LAME (despite it's acronym) is a GPL implementation of a MP3 encoder. Hence basically anyone can use this code, under the terms of the GPL. However any MP3 implementation contains algorithms

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
The Novell/MS should really mean nothing to developers who respect intellectual property of Microsoft - Microsoft and Novell under the deal (and any Novell customer) are able to share each others respective intellectual property and allow external developers to extend and contribute to those

[SLUG] PDA Phone

2006-11-06 Thread Neast
David, I can tell what not to get... I bought a HP Ipaq 6515 at one point in time - it was a brilliant concept - converged PDA, phone, GPS, etc.. The problem with it and the prior model that I upgraded from was the incessant need to reset it at times nearly every hour. IT wouldn't run

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Metrics
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 10:17:15AM +1100, Martin Visser wrote: snip... So my understanding of the agreements is that Microsoft are basically saying to Novell - You full well know that some of the code in SuSE Linux infringes on our IP. (From elsewhere I read that this would possibly in

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Robert Thorsby
On 2006.11.07 10:17 Martin Visser wrote: Sadly, having an algorithm coded in open source doesn't protect one from the patent lawyers. For instance LAME (despite it's acronym) is a GPL implementation of a MP3 encoder. Hence basically anyone can use this code, under the terms of the GPL. However

Re: [SLUG] low sound volume

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Pool
On 5 Nov 2006, Chris Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Dell work station (about 3 years old) with external speakers and Ubuntu 6.06 installed. The sound through the speakers is very low. If I turn the volume up to FULL on the screen AND on the the speakers, I can hear a music CD at a

[SLUG] Web based poll/survey software

2006-11-06 Thread Simon Wong
I am looking for some web based software to run a poll or more of a survey with multiple questions eg Q1 Do you like Pizza? yes/no Q2 What toppings would you like in the future? Q3 Choose your favourite crust. (i) thin (ii) thick (iii) cheesy I have found the

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 10:39 +1100, Robert Thorsby wrote: I was always under the impression that mathematics cannot be patented. If the algorithm is mathematics then the patent is invalid (even if it has been granted and has patent numbers etc etc). Therefore, clause 7 of the GPL is not

[SLUG] Using rsync server on windows to backup a linux box to a windows one

2006-11-06 Thread Michael Brown
Hi guys, I've installed rsync server for windows and can open a cygwin command prompt and ssh into the box where I want to grab files from. From the linux box I can run rsync and it'll happily go through the following, but not transmit files. rsync --verbose --progress --stats --compress

Re: [SLUG] Using rsync server on windows to backup a linux box to a windows one

2006-11-06 Thread Amos Shapira
On 07/11/06, Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get the linux box to send files to the windows one? I need to back What do the ssh server logs have to say about this attempt? Also I don't see in your rsync command line that you tell it to use ssh to connect - it probably tries

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/7/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acutally ben I found something almost exactly fits what you described http://forgeftp.novell.com//greent/homepage/index.html That looks great, thanks for searching. I won't be using it though. I've installed over 150MB of dependencies and now

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
whoa hold on... the only reason Mono executables have a .exe extension is because it is defined in the ecma-international standard for the Common Runtime Language. And it can't execute viruses. Besides, if your using Ubuntu, you have all the dependencies you need. What's so god aweful about

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread Jeremy Visser
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 10:06 +1100, Penedo wrote: I've never tried this but recently I found dpsyco in my Edge repository - here is a pointer to the Ubuntu universe copy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/dpsyco there is a slightly newer package in Debian. I'd be glad to hear from

Re: [SLUG] Using rsync server on windows to backup a linux box to a windows one

2006-11-06 Thread Michael Brown
Well - you try to login as user Administrator on the Linux box, and you say you don't have such a user so how do you expect this to work? I actually didn't specify a username, it defaulted to Administrator. I was thinking this was something that cygwin was doing. I did try specifying root, but

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/7/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, if your using Ubuntu, you have all the dependencies you need. 150MB needed to be installed (I'm just following the readme) and now nand is spitting out an error because I don't have vte-sharp-2.0.pc What's so god aweful about .exe?

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread David Gillies
Ben wrote: On 11/7/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, if your using Ubuntu, you have all the dependencies you need. 150MB needed to be installed (I'm just following the readme) and now nand is spitting out an error because I don't have vte-sharp-2.0.pc What's so god aweful

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 10:29 +1100, James Dumay wrote: Novell are not handing the keys out to anyones castles, as GPL'd and similarly licensed software will stay open and free Yes, but as you point out, You can be sued now and you could be sued before the deal if you infringe on someones

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread James Dumay
Try installing libvte2.0-cil and libvte2.0-cil Mono libraries in debian based operating systems end with a -cil postfix. James On 11/7/06, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/7/06, James Dumay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, if your using Ubuntu, you have all the dependencies you need.

Re: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread Ben
On 11/7/06, David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about saving yourself the pain of compiling it and just download the 30Kb deb for ubuntu? Because that would be too easy :-) Working fine now... just need to work out how to set config options... Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group

[SLUG] MBR, GRUB .. a Capital C with a Cedilla

2006-11-06 Thread Adam Bogacki
Hi, I've recovered a partition to the point where GRUB recognises its fs (FAT), restored the MBR, and written GRUB to it. However, trying to boot it via LILO or GRUB ends up with what AbiWord describes as U+00C7 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA - something I can't Google by. Can anyone suggest

Re: [SLUG] Using rsync server on windows to backup a linux box to a windows one

2006-11-06 Thread Michael Brown
On 07/11/06, Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What package did you use to install the ssh server onto Windows Server? I am thinking of grabbing something similar to enable sshd on a 2003 server. Just trying to determine the best way to do it. cygwin, open ssh etc. I used cygwin.

RE: [SLUG] similar to Yakuake for Gnome?

2006-11-06 Thread Roger Barnes
The YaKuake page on wikipedia suggested Tilda as a GTK+ alternative... http://tilda.sourceforge.net/ I'm going to give it a go later, maybe you'll have better luck with it than greent. HTH, Rog -Original Message- From: Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread Ian Wienand
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:09:34PM +1100, Jeremy Visser wrote: I would like to know how to create a Debian package that consists of one file, not generated by source. I have tried using a Makefile that just copies files and running it with CheckInstall, but have failed to get it to recognise

Re: [SLUG] MBR, GRUB .. a Capital C with a Cedilla

2006-11-06 Thread David Gillies
Adam Bogacki wrote: Hi, I've recovered a partition to the point where GRUB recognises its fs (FAT), restored the MBR, and written GRUB to it. However, trying to boot it via LILO or GRUB ends up with what AbiWord describes as U+00C7 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA - something I can't Google

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread Penedo
On 07/11/06, Jeremy Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can modify the version number in ./DEBIAN/control, but can't seem to build any further from there afterwards. To quote the dpkg-repack manual: The package can be built from this temporary directory by running dpkg --build, passing it the

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 10:29:21AM +1100, James Dumay wrote: The Novell/MS should really mean nothing to developers who respect intellectual property of Microsoft - Microsoft and Novell under the deal (and any Novell customer) are able to share each others respective intellectual property and

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread David Gillies
Jeremy Visser wrote: This technique works with what I'm doing to the point of the version numbers. I have managed to get dpkg-repack to build into a folder, where I can modify the version number in ./DEBIAN/control, but can't seem to build any further from there afterwards. I tried sudo

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:29:21 +1100, David Gillies uttered This will only build the binary packages, no source stuff will be spat out before you run this, make sure that package-name/debian/control is executable I suspect you mean package-name/debian/rules here. debian/control

Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft

2006-11-06 Thread Zhasper
On 11/7/06, James Purser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 10:39 +1100, Robert Thorsby wrote: I was always under the impression that mathematics cannot be patented. If the algorithm is mathematics then the patent is invalid (even if it has been granted and has patent numbers etc

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread David Gillies
Steve Kowalik wrote: On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:29:21 +1100, David Gillies uttered This will only build the binary packages, no source stuff will be spat out before you run this, make sure that package-name/debian/control is executable I suspect you mean package-name/debian/rules here.

[SLUG] U+00C7, LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA

2006-11-06 Thread Leslie Katz
I hope I'm not just wasting your time with something too obvious to say, but the U+00C7 should be what you get when you use the character map accessory and click on a latin capital c cedilla. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

Re: [SLUG] Creating a really really simple .deb package

2006-11-06 Thread Jeremy Visser
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:21 +1100, Penedo wrote: On 07/11/06, Jeremy Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can modify the version number in ./DEBIAN/control, but can't seem to build any further from there afterwards. To quote the dpkg-repack manual: The package can be built from this

[Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft]

2006-11-06 Thread Phill O'Flynn
As a budding software developer, I find this copyright and intellectual property topic increasingly tragic. Where does it end? Who doesn't copy ideas? Didn't Microsoft develop Windows 3.1 by borrowing the GUI idea from Apple ( and subsequently squashing them). Now they want to protect themselves

[SLUG] Making Links 2006 Conference

2006-11-06 Thread Craig Warner
Does any one know whether anyone from SLUG or LINUX Australia will be attending the Making Links Conference. The two day conference will address ICT capacity, infrastructure and community-building potential for the not-for-profit sector. http://www.makinglinks.org.au/ -- Craig Warner 25 Tudor

[SLUG] Setting the date format in Thunderbird

2006-11-06 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For the life of me I can't find (and I swear I've googled this before to no avail) where to set the time/date format in Thunberbird. Does anyone know how to do this? It seems to completely ignore the locale settings of my system (en_AU) and go for

RE: [SLUG] Making Links 2006 Conference

2006-11-06 Thread Mitchell Seaton
As I'm aware, Pia Waugh, Vice President of Linux Australia, will be in attendance. Regards, Mitch Seaton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Warner Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006 5:04 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: [SLUG] Making

Intellectual property for newbie programmers (was Re: [Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Novell and Microsoft])

2006-11-06 Thread Adam Kennedy
Phill O'Flynn wrote: As a budding software developer, I find this copyright and intellectual property topic increasingly tragic. Where does it end? Who doesn't copy ideas? Didn't Microsoft develop Windows 3.1 by borrowing the GUI idea from Apple ( and subsequently squashing them). Now