chel
>
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> IT Consulting, UNIX & Macintosh
> Greater Western Sydney
>
>
> On 2 Jun 2015, at 15:20, David Lyon
> wrote:
>
> > If you think a malicious actor is deleting files, check also your
> > database links for insertion attac
ntrusion etc.
>
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>
>
> > On 2 Jun 2015, at 13:57, David Lyon
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > One place I do work for is having trouble with Hacker activity.
s, or if you are
> exposed to the ext4 corruption bug on Linux, look there.
> Without more information, I always assume a more local problem first, as
> opposed to intrusion etc.
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> Greater Western Sydney
>
Hello all,
One place I do work for is having trouble with Hacker activity.
Let's face it, there are hacker's out there trying to take down systems.
The specific issue I'm seeing is .php files vanishing from the web server.
This is annoying and I'm wondering if any others are seeing anything lik
ost-upgrade troubles. Have you gone through a major upgrade
> recently?
>
> On 11 February 2015 at 14:21, scott wrote:
>
> > On 02/10/2015 09:19 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > > On 11 February 2015 at 11:39, scott wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 02/10/2015 05:32 P
Hi,
I have a working Zentyal server and everything is fine except that I need
to deploy Python Imaging Library to it, and it doesn't work.
apt-get is for some reason broken.
I get the following error message with "sudo apt-get install python2.7-dev"
or any command:
E: Internal Error, No file na
Hi,
There's some RGB LED's at a Hackerspace:
- http://forum.makehackvoid.com/t/led-uplighting-status/179
I asked a geek I know how to filter sound from linux to drive different
colours in the LED's.
He said "That's easy - just use the following command":
> pamon --latency 100 | hexdump -C
Th
I've just seen a possibly similar thing.
The scenario was that the customer didn't pay their bill. Not sure - but
most likely cause was the bill accidentally went into spam.
After paying, the hosting company assured us everything would be up.
Website was up but mail was down. It looked like a DN
I think I got it going from this page:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580584/setting-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-and-sub-directories-under-a
Thanks for the answers
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Norman Gaywood wrote:
> On 1 September 2014 16:48, Norman Gaywood wrote:
>
That returns nothing.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Norman Gaywood wrote:
> How about:
>
> getent passwd 300
>
>
> On 1 September 2014 15:44, David Lyon
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have this, from executing the following command:
>
Hello,
I have this, from executing the following command:
/home/samba/shares/ivm_dbase/DBASE4
# file: home/samba/shares/ivm_dbase/DBASE4
# owner: root
# group: Administrators
user::rwx
user:root:rwx
user:admin_acct:rw-
user:300:rwx
user:302:rwx
group::rwx
group:Administrators:rwx
group:3
Hi Patrick,
There's really not that much difference between this government and the
last one with respect to any technology development policies. If you think
there is a big difference, then I welcome you to explain the differences.
If you want to say what you think the policies should be that wi
to set system timezone depends on
> the
> > answer to this question.
> >
> > And BTW - what you are asking about is setting the time ZONE. Setting the
> > correct time is usually a matter left to NTP.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17 July 2014 10:51, David Lyon
&g
I'm trying to get the correct datestamp in a logfile for Raspberry-Pi for a
server task.
The task runs under supervisord with root permissions.
I modified /root/.profile and added TZ='Australia/Sydney'; export TZ
However, in Python, the logging/task doesn't see dates with the correct
timezone de
Possible hardware (Hard-disk) failure?
While mysql will probably run forevever, the same assumption can't be made
for the magnets in the hard-disks. Which can over time lose their
workingness.
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM, wrote:
>
> > on the new vm, in use about 6 month, couple of weeks
And you might follow these old-timers:
www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bulk-Lot-of-9-Windows-Desktop-PC-Workstations-HP-Compaq-Dell-Intel-AMD-/231246144371
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM, David Lyon wrote:
> I've noticed quite a drop-off in Council-Cleanup PC's, around here anyway.
>
I've noticed quite a drop-off in Council-Cleanup PC's, around here anyway.
Not say don't live-in-hope in finding a new friend, just that the days of
all the PC's spending time together on the nature strip breathing the fresh
air seems to have passed. It's a new generation being thrown out now. :-)
Hi,
I'm struggling getting some production programs to run on a "new" Linux
system.
These programs have been working for so many years and it seems that I've
forgotten how to set them up. Maybe it's different on this server-distro.
Not sure. It's Zentyal - ubuntu based.
village@server-ivm:~$ una
Have they seen products like this?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/150Mbps-high-power-outdoor-wi-fi-wireless-outdoor-wireless-access-point-cpe-equipment/1489776809.html
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Rick Welykochy wrote:
> Hi Sluggers,
>
> I have a friend living in near jungle conditions in
ok, I patched those links in. Forgive my code posting, last time. I will
answer offlist if I get any further requests.
It has some command line options to specify the size to download, where to
put the logfile, and the duration to wait before downloads.
$> python x_download_test.py 1M -i 5
-Pyth
First thing to check is that the "Wifi button" is set to on.
Sometimes it's very easy to accidently bump them to "off" without even
realising.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:18 PM, William Bennett wrote:
> I'm sure someone has seen this before: there doesn't seem to be a problem
> posted that nobody
Maybe something like this (python code):
# /usr/bin/python
import time
import urllib2
if __name__ == "__main__":
while (1):
# Initial Time reading
start = time.clock()
mp3file = urllib2.urlopen("http://www.slug.org.au/event/91";)
output = open('test.mp3
am, "Jiří Baum" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> David Lyon:
> > When I compile, I get these errors:
>
> > dlyon@dlyon-HP8000SFF:~/IoT/madstuff$ make
> > CC madstuff.o
> > madstuff.cpp: In member function ‘void App::setup()’:
> > madstuff.
Hi,
I'm having some problems with compile errors.
I have an Event-Framework and the programs look like this:
-
https://github.com/clixx-io/clixx.io/blob/master/examples_eventframework/timer.cpp
When I compile, I get these errors:
dlyon@dlyon-HP8000SFF:~/IoT/madstuff$ make
CC madstuff.o
Just thought I'd mention that LinuxCon 2014 in Japan is coming up.
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-japan
Although it's only for two days, that would leave the rest of the time for
a few trips to Akihabara and some extra Tokyo tourism if you took the whole
week off work.
There's
Hi Tom,
Have you seen these ? : http://www.adapteva.com/
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Tom Worthington wrote:
> On 04/02/14 16:42, Glen Turner wrote:
>
> I'd also be careful when comparing old v new computers that you
>> include the entire system, especially if moving from a CRT to LCD
>> s
Hi Edwni,
I'm counting 8 ^ 2 * 2 answers.
First, do you want the output in csv or pdf ?
Secondly, what colour are you wanting the column-headings in ?
Thirdly, what's the sort order ?
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Edwin Humphries <
edw...@netsensecomputers.com.au> wrote:
> Guys, thanks
Hi Edwin,
http://www.zentyal.org/ is what I found, but I haven't used it.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, David Lyon wrote:
> Hi Edwin,
>
> I did this for a client in the last few weeks.
>
> This might not be a perfect match to your question but in the end we
> sele
Hi Edwin,
I did this for a client in the last few weeks.
This might not be a perfect match to your question but in the end we
selected Lightning Calendar for firefox:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/calendar/
It's turned out perfect for our users, because it is just an extension that
runs
Hi David,
For some reason, this message went in my spam bin and I only just found it.
How's the status with this ?
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM, David Joshua Geary <
bianca.ura...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Trying to interface with my car's on-b
David gave a Lightning talk on GM interfacing.
Here is the information that I found:
http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/aldl160/vn_aldl.htm
Hope that is helpful to getting your Linux interfaced.
David
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Hi all,
I was just checking the website and there are no talks posted yet.
Does anybody know RRDTool ? http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/
It would be great if, just for me, somebody who knows it could do a
talk or a lightning talk on that.
Regards
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Glen Turner wrote:
>
> The lack of two I2C ports on the RPi would be a practical reason. The sense
> of master and slave carries electrical implications, so a port can't change
> from one to the other without restarting the bus and all of its devices.
>
>
Actually
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Chris Barnes wrote:
> This one might be impossible but does anyone have any clues for running
> TCP/IP over the I2C bus?
>
> I have a few Raspberry PIs and I'd like to create an Out Of Band network on
> them by linking them all by I2C and then running TCP/IP over it
The only issue that I can see is that I2C is a bus/master protocol. I know
the Linux drivers support being the Master but I'don't know if it supports
being a slave.
So I'm not even sure if you could easily accomplish it without using extra
hardware such as PIC/AVRs.
On 01/06/2013 11:11 PM, "Jake
Here's the link to that project:
- http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
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On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Chris Barnes wrote:
> This one might be impossible but does anyone have any clues for running
> TCP/IP over the I2C bus?
>
> I have a few Raspberry PIs and I'd like to create an Out Of Band network on
> them by linking them all by I2C and then running TCP/IP over it
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Michael Chesterton wrote:
> Have you looked at the raspberry pi? it's designed for the classroom to
> teach kids about programming and computers.
>
Semi-related to that, a rep at Element14 at cebit was saying that there are
approx. 10,000
Raspberry-Pi's being sol
Here's an article showing Linux is not only taking over the embedded
systems:
-
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/fast-faster-fastest-linux-rules-supercomputing/11263
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I've had a similar experience. My Enlightenment (Bodhi Linux) notebook has
O/S imploded
with two weeks of continuous use.
After changing themes, the file manager doesn't display anything (rendering
problem?) making
copying files from the SD card easily, not easy. Back to shell.
Then, git for some
I've not tried with any modern devices but the older UPS's used to toggle
the CTS or DTR
data line on the serial-port to tell the PC that power was available.
The driver would simply watch the pin and when it toggled the software
would start taking
action.
These lines are still made available via
Hi all,
This site has on some of the interesting posts on what Linux has been doing
recently:
- http://linuxgizmos.com/
Many things I didn't know about.
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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Kyle wrote:
>
> 'Statement_**<4 digit yr>.pdf'
>
> which I want to rename to
>
> '<4 digit yr>__Statement.pdf'
>
> I can work out the regex, but having trouble figuring out how to feed this
> through the shell.
>
>
It's admirable to know how to do that. But for saf
I'm really slow to get new stuff. I only just got a sata SSD.
However, I've seen these:
-
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Free-PP-Case-USB-2-0-to-2-5-SATA-Hard-Disk-USB-Interface-Converter-Adapter-/181006710919?pt=AU_CablesConnectors&hash=item2a24d73887
That might allow me to connect an SSD.
Here's some benchmarks that were previously done:
- http://jalada.co.uk/2012/05/20/raspberry-pi-sd-card-benchmark.html
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Grant Bailey <
grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Is either device powerful enough to act as small business server? I
> realise that some people have turned the Pi into a server but I'm not sure
> whether they have been deployed for commercial applicatio
Is this the worlds cheapest Linux board ?
It runs Arch Linux.
It's interesting reading their user guide:
-
https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/iMX233-OLinuXino-MICRO/resources/iMX233-OLINUXINO-MICRO.pdf
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For any old Visual Basic Programmers, here's an interesting adaptation from
Benoît Minisin
who lives in Paris.
- http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html
It's not a Clone of Visual Basic, but inspired by it.
I just downloaded the development environment by doing:
> sudo apt-get install gamba
I know there are Fedora lovers on the list. This might be something you
guys already know but for others it might be interesting reading:
- http://worldofgnome.org/fedora-19-chasing-the-perfect-gnome-distro/
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That's a joy of Linux, stuff gets screwed up for no obvious reason.
I'm really peaved now that my Terminology terminal stopped working showing
similar
symptons after I changed a config setting, now it won't let me get back to
the same menu
to change it to something else.
I'd suggest fresh reinsta
ney.com/
>
> LEDs are my pet project, but the only link to Linux, so far, has been the
> webserver:
> http://www.ramin.com.au/eco-**sydney/LED-Lighting-guide.**shtml<http://www.ramin.com.au/eco-sydney/LED-Lighting-guide.shtml>
>
> Marghanita
>
>
> David Lyon wrote:
In Europe, people not only use Linux to power data-centres but also
their coffee tables. Adding LED's to your Linux can give very relaxing
results.
Here's a nice coffee-table probject for Linux along with a
link to the source code:
- https://metalab.at/wiki/RetinaTattoo
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Apart from all the eye-candy in Terminology I found that it has one really
useful
command that helped me at work. It has commands called 'tyls' and 'tycat'.
What
theydo is list out files in a command line along with a preview.
It doesn't sound much but normally you have to go out to some gui file
Sorry for double posting but here is the homepage to Terminology:
- http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminology
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Hi all,
I was really happy with my terminal-shell until I discovered this:
-
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/terminology-more-than-terminal-emulator.html
Terminology is an updated 3D/OpenGL version of Terminator.
For those into command line shells, it's quite interesting.
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This is as much an opportunity to learn as it is to talk, but I'm passing
on this
information as the Raspberry-Pi is after all a Linux Machine for the masses:
"""
We've already set our biggest Raspberry Jam on May 25th at IIJ Jinbocho
Office.
so we getting started opening Call for Paper for the ev
Another way of learning Linux is to come to Hardware Freedom Day at the
Raspberry-Pi users group.
- http://www.ozberrypi.org/events/109635212/
It's not really structured, but you will get exposure and see Linux in
action.
I've been doing Linux for some years and I always learn something that I
Not sure but it might be some time.
I just checked the homepage at http://www.slug.org.au/ and it's been
recently updated to show a talk from 2010 !
(Maybe they are just testing new features - not sure)
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Jason Haston wrote:
> Question: I gave a lightning talk 1
Alternatively, have you looked at using a Raspberry-PI.
Linux works fine on that.
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Michael Chesterton wrote:
> Its primary goal is safety though, not efficiency.
>
> I want to add a linux angle, but can't think of one.
>
>
The powers-that-be-here don't even want you to know what can
actually be achieved with Linux.
In Tokyo they have a crazy ro
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Jeremy Visser wrote:
> Makes me wonder how much I’m killing the planet with the 700W power
> supply in my PC.
>
You won't kill the planet, on account of it having an iron core. Don't
worry.
You'd need thousands of megawatts (at least) for your power-supply
to da
I have changed the password on the hosting account.
It won't be possible to reload everything else
because it is an ISP hosted machine.
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I have a customer with a hacked website.
When I ftp'd to their web-server I found this wart (listed below - saved as
brut.php):
How did the hacker put it on my system ? What could it have comprimised ?
What
can I do to stop further consequences?
--- brut.php (don't run this) ---
# GaStRo
-Dz
I have to ssh to a remote machine.
Then I use Midnight Commander for editing. It's pretty much what I like
but ..
.. Anybody know how to copy text to the local clipboard. It over-rides the
ssh clipboard. I want to cut + paste between ssh windows.
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For fans of linux :
http://hackaday.com/2012/08/14/turning-a-keyboard-into-a-computer-with-a-raspberry-pi/
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If anybody has PC's to throw out, let me know. I can come pick
them up.
It turns out my friend is looking for such things and will send them
to Sierra-Leone in Africa to teach kids about computers.
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Seemingly easy question, but it's not that simple.
I have a text file which is from a legacy system. It's actually
print data.
|||
SALES - SUPPLIERX FOR MONTH
I stumbled upon these:
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Not that I could ever figure it out properly myself
but I do know the values are stored in samba.conf
in /etc.
They have a creation flag setting that you can
easily change.
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A lot of people use DXF then go to SVG/PNG that way.
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:17 PM, meryl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Can anyone recommend a DWG (autocad) Viewer / Converter to SVG and or
> PNG
>
> A cursory search returns LX-Viewer and DraftSight.
>
> Which one do you use, or do you prefer another p
Are they dual core ?
Do they have a sheetload of memory ?
I found ubuntu got slower and slower till I got in
newer hardware.
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Do you want to buy a Brother Scanner with a network
interface?
Some scanners have text reading.
The mastersource for OCR is on Sourceforge. Can't
remember the packages name. Maybe Ubuntu has an
OCR package. I would be surprised if it didn't work.
Modern scanners have PDF scan, like the
one I wa
imho if you have so many files, it might be worth looking at a CMS
where a record can be created for each item and rendered on demand.
On 4/5/12, Jake Anderson wrote:
> I wouldn't expect 1500 files in a dir to be slow (from the file system
> POV, the ftp server is doing who knows what).
> slow wo
Don't know, but could be more than the hard-disk is dead.
What type of computer ?
I have recently encountered the same problem with HP-Desktops and
was told that the CMOS battery was dead. True to the advice, when I
replaced the battery the systems no longer came up with a blank
screen and booted
http://hackaday.com/2012/03/19/android-rolled-into-linux-kernel-3-3/
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ok, I think I will download the beta and try it.
For those who haven't seen Ubuntu 12 with its ultra-cool Heads-Up-Display
and tweaked User Interface check it out at:
- http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-beta-1-released/
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This guy says it is a little slow but it does work..
http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
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http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/251210/seven_new_features_in_ubuntu_1204_precise_pangolin_beta_1.html
(I just downloaded their alpha. It's user interface is really schmick. Sadly
it just wouldn't install to my machine properly). But what I did see was
very, very nice.
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Bruce Hodsdon wrote:
> Like Chris, I haven't ordered yet,
>
> Raspberry pi & Arduino, what can we do?
>
You wouldn't need an Arduino if you had a r.Pi. It has a GPIO area
that you can hook in whatever you need.
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st dump the raw data via tftp somewhere safe
> so you can dump it back on to the tab if you mess up.
>
> If the previous owner of my netbook had done that it probably would have
> saved me about 2 solid months of searching for compatible boot loaders and
> android images.
>
> S
-
> no sound, or no mouse, or no wifi, etc.
>
> In the end I dumped Debian on it and used an android kernel to boot it.
>
> --Original Message--
> From: David Lyon
> Sender: slug-boun...@slug.org.au
> To: SLUG
> Subject: [SLUG] Hacking "Hackable Android Pads"
&g
There's lots of inexpensive Android Tablets. Junk? perhaps:
- http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=android+tablet&catId=0
Question is, how to hack these things?
They have a linux bootloader, where's information on that generally ?
I know you have to build a kernel. That means picking
On my Nokia phone I located this channel:
- http://www.paris-one.com/dance/
Works on my phone.
Anybody know how to program that to work on an embedded
linux machine ? In either C++ or Python?
Thanks
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well, another viewpoint.
I bought a new notebook and it came with windows 7.
For years I've not felt so dissappointed with a computer. I just
couldn't find anything fun to do with it.
They've even removed 'debug'.. Shish-ka-bobs.
Then After I got Ubuntu 11 on, the machine is my sense of lovely.
More to the point, everything these days comes with rules.
I don't blame Apple for taking all the 'free' software rolling it up, and
making
motza's by selling it debugged with a nice bitmap on hiding all the crud.
Then for hacking, nothing stops anyone hacking the devices. Except for
Sony. And it
Thanks Steve,
Very helpful.
I will try some of the downloads from:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/resources/se-embeddocs/index.html
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than running an interpreter.
>
> J.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:19 AM, David Lyon <
> david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering how to get Java running on an embedded linux ARM
>> board.
>>
>> Anybody know how to do it?
>
I'm wondering how to get Java running on an embedded linux ARM
board.
Anybody know how to do it?
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Well I noticed that it has gftp, some text-editors, maybe geany, a command line.
It can run python and compile java. Subversion it can also run I think.
So I'd say its got the potential not to be a toy.
On 12/16/11, elliott-brennan wrote:
> Is anyone on the list using Android for a
> signific
I will give pclinux a go next time, I think.
Well, by lack of answers it would seem Android may just be a toy.
Given nobody is putting their hand up to say 'yeah, its a good work
tool'.
Will run a phone though.. No debate about that.
On 12/15/11, Heracles wrote:
> On 15/12/11 13:0
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:45 AM, James Linder wrote:
> When an elderly and distinguished scientist say something is not possible he
> is nearly always wrong
I know I could buy more memory or get multicores.. involves money and time..
The memory footprint of ubuntu 11 is obviously too much for
maybe 2 years is really 5 or 6..
Actually, I just jumped over to learn Puppy Linux. Pretty hardcore
but everything is quite good. Ubuntu has nice graphical effects but
I have work to do and willing to lose them in an effort to get some
stuff done..
still curious about Android..
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I have been using Ubuntu 10.10 for work - just fine. At home I tried Ubuntu 11
and one my one or two year old hardware it just has unacceptable performance
ie 10 - 20 seconds to respond to menu clicks etc.
So, there is Android 3.2 from:
http://www.android-x86.org/
Any good for tech work? ie lig
Depends what you are looking to do.
Have you tried Puppy Linux?
DSL - Damned Small Linux
I agree wireless is harder on lighter distro's.
Maybe that is the area that you need to Master. Then load that as a
custom script.
On 11/30/11, Edwin Humphries wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> I'm looking for the
umm... yeah... but doesn't run linux afaik
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:07 AM, simran wrote:
> haha... indeed... would be good... although i think i'd still prefer my zx
> spectrum :)
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:04 AM, David Lyon
> wrote:
>>
>> Simran,
>
Simran,
I understand... you are after true beauty..
maybe you need a fignition system:
- http://hackaday.com/2011/12/04/a-keyboard-for-your-fignition/
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HP-Envy with 8 cores are pretty nice for Ubuntu..
The hard-drives inside have a design flaw which causes them to
overheat and die. SSD would fix that.
I repaired one for a friend, just booted ubuntu from usb. Great!
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:44 AM, simran wrote:
> hi all,
>
> wanted to ask you
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/arms-new-tools-make-it-easier-for-android-devs-to-use-native-code.ars
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I've given up trying to find any job. Not employable.
Rather, I'm trying to build a pad computer based on Android to take
back to Japan and sell.
The whole android hardware thing is going through a massive
transformation and there's just a whole lot of things 'not-right'
about android that requir
Everybody wants slippery slidy finger driven desktops these days.
If it's not like that then it's not cool.
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