Glen Turner wrote:
On 18/12/09 02:38, Adam Kennedy wrote:
... with no noticable slow down of the internet.
That's what the text of the Enex report said. But when you look into
the experiment's results data in the back of the report, then that's
not what their experiments showed.
I'm
Martin Visser wrote:
Kevin The physical links to the rest of the Internet are not some vapourish,
unfathomable sort of web. They are real bits of optical fibre cabling (with
a smattering of satellite for backup) that terminate on real routers in real
data centres. They are certainly
If we want to take a really pessimistic
view, of where censorship of the net
could go, there are not only those who
deny Climate Change is being influenced
by Human activity, but also those who
deny evolutionbut there are enough
implementation issues to focus on.
Belittling peoples
for all those interested in taking action, watch this space:
http://blockthefilter.org/
http://blockthefilter.wikidot.com/
there should be more up in a few days time.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au wrote:
If we want to take a really pessimistic
view, of
Just hours ago they brought down site stephenconroy.com.au
New address is http://stephen-conroy.com/
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I don't consider gut wtetching violence freedom of speech.
I was interested in marches and so forth about wasting tax money on
cisco hardware... I mean filtering.
Dean
On 17/12/2009, at 4:29 PM, Marghanita da Cruz
marghan...@ramin.com.au wrote:
Dean Hamstead wrote:
Anyone heard of
quote who=Dean Hamstead
Anyone heard of actual protests?
Putting together the pieces at the moment, very likely to be supported by
EFA and GetUp! - I'll post here when it's announced.
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So please lets
Get real, GetUp is a set-up
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Dean Hamstead
Anyone heard of actual protests?
Putting together the pieces at the moment, very likely to be supported by
EFA and GetUp! - I'll post here when it's announced.
- Jeff
2009/12/17 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au
I don't consider gut wtetching violence freedom of speech.
I was interested in marches and so forth about wasting tax money on cisco
hardware... I mean filtering.
Now not only are they going to filter out unfavourable news, they are
already
quote who=J Brown
Get real, GetUp is a set-up
Watch out everyone, we have a rapper on our hands.
- Jeff
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Instead you're doing circle jerks with the Care Bears of Censorship.
-
I'm J Brown what is a rapper?
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=J Brown
Get real, GetUp is a set-up
Watch out everyone, we have a rapper on our hands.
- Jeff
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I'm confused.
I thought the whole idea of DARPANet was that it was bomb-proof - there
was always another route open. How exactly are the Thought Police going
to sit on every possible route into Oz? How well does the Chinese
government censorship work, in terms of bandwidth filtered? I bet it's
simply put, they can't really do it. All of the proposed solutions are HTTP
based only and have a variety of workarounds associated with them anyway. It
could stop a kid I'm sure, but maybe not a determined one.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Kevin Shackleton
kev...@reachnet.com.auwrote:
I'm
What's more, the report says (and I'm paraphrasing a summary here)
We can block a list of a few thousand URLs with 100% effectiveness
and no noticable false positives, with no noticable slow down of the
internet. Non-URL based filters were only around 75% effective, which
is better than last
Adam Kennedy wrote:
What's more, the report says (and I'm paraphrasing a summary here)
We can block a list of a few thousand URLs with 100% effectiveness
and no noticable false positives, with no noticable slow down of the
internet. Non-URL based filters were only around 75% effective, which
is
ZDNet.com.au this week contacted all of Australia's largest ISPs regarding
their stances on the government's internet filter. Almost every ISP supported
the measure in some way, but iiNet and Internode were ambiguous in their
responses.
On 18/12/09 02:38, Adam Kennedy wrote:
... with no noticable slow down of the internet.
That's what the text of the Enex report said. But when you look into
the experiment's results data in the back of the report, then that's
not what their experiments showed.
I'm contacting Enex to ask about
Kevin The physical links to the rest of the Internet are not some vapourish,
unfathomable sort of web. They are real bits of optical fibre cabling (with
a smattering of satellite for backup) that terminate on real routers in real
data centres. They are certainly enumerable, probably only numbering
In addition to getting involved in the EFA's campaign
http://nocleanfeed.com
you can subscribe to their lists to stay informed (there are familiar
SLUG names there too!) http://www.efa.org.au/about/lists/
http://libertus.net/ and http://sites.google.com/site/filtermenot/home
have additional
meryl wrote:
In addition to getting involved in the EFA's campaign
http://nocleanfeed.com
you can subscribe to their lists to stay informed (there are familiar
SLUG names there too!) http://www.efa.org.au/about/lists/
http://libertus.net/ and http://sites.google.com/site/filtermenot/home
have
The no clean feed group have a template for a letter on their site I
think, I'll try to dig it up later.
I think this is very relevant to us as linux/open source/free software
users, if we follow the philosophy free as in freedom, not fee as in
beer then that should go not only for the os
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:02:52AM +1100, Mike wrote:
The no clean feed group have a template for a letter on their site I
think, I'll try to dig it up later.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/16/dont-waste-your-time-waste-theirs-a-guide-to-writing-to-ministers/
May (or may not) be of use.
jam wrote:
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be
censored next year.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
I wrote to Conroy talking about proxies and ssh tunnels and received
Don't pirates kidnap people and hold them for ransom, therefore denying
their freedom?
Anyway, I for one don't mind the Gov't filtering out child porn and all
the other crap that tries to get my attention.
There is so much good stuff out there that I can fill my mind with that
rather than
Not heard that one before.
Ben Donohue wrote:
Don't pirates kidnap people and hold them for ransom, therefore
denying their freedom?
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Is anyone aware of any groups taking more direct technical action
against this proposal?
I'm more of a builder of things than a talker, and it occurs to me
that if the scope of potential blocking is as wide as it (naively, to
me) appears to be (and based on comments such as 80% of the 95
million
Anyone heard of actual protests?
Dean
Adam Kennedy wrote:
Is anyone aware of any groups taking more direct technical action
against this proposal?
I'm more of a builder of things than a talker, and it occurs to me
that if the scope of potential blocking is as wide as it (naively, to
me)
Dean Hamstead wrote:
Anyone heard of actual protests?
there is/was this...
Aussie Gamers all around the country are preparing to take to the streets this
Saturday to protest the lack of an R18+ rating for video games in Australia
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Ben Donohue wrote:
Don't pirates kidnap people and hold them for ransom, therefore denying
their freedom?
Anyway, I for one don't mind the Gov't filtering out child porn and all
the other crap that tries to get my attention.
There is so much
: Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:08:10 +1100
Is anyone aware of any groups taking more direct technical action
against this proposal?
I'm more of a builder of things than a talker, and it occurs to me
that if the scope of potential blocking
Adam Kennedy a...@ali.as writes:
I'm sure it wouldn't be QUITE that simple, but for 100 lines of code
I'm sure you could modify that to search for beastiality or Left 4
Dead 2 US Edition, scrape the front page to validate it a bit, then
submit.
But like I said, doing it properly would mean
to write great big laws about such
things?)
DSL
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From: Adam Kennedy adamkennedybac...@gmail.com
Reply-to: a...@ali.as
To: Mike beatbreake...@gmail.com
Cc: slug@slug.org.au slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009
Daniel Pittman wrote:
Adam Kennedy a...@ali.as writes:
I'm sure it wouldn't be QUITE that simple, but for 100 lines of code
I'm sure you could modify that to search for beastiality or Left 4
Dead 2 US Edition, scrape the front page to validate it a bit, then
submit.
But like I said, doing it
Heracles is right. The Filtering problem is more about stifling freedoms
of speech and censoring the Net than it is about blocking child porn,
and it is bound to be extended into other areas so freedom of speech
will become a thing of the past for us in Australia. Apart from slowing
down our
After a quick scan through the restricted classification database on
the censors site, from which it appears that detailed instructions on
the production of homemade gun silencers is rated RC, I managed to
find a random YouTube video showing such details, and submitted it to
see what the process
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 16:08 +1100, Adam Kennedy wrote:
Is anyone aware of any groups taking more direct technical action
against this proposal?
..
I'm pondering the idea of automating the web trawling process to find
NC content, and then just submit all 100 million NC content URLs to
the
I'm not suggesting this be the ONLY way of dealing with the issue.
If it's possibly to at least remove all the excuses that it's cheap
and easy, and demonstrate an ongoing series of high profile false
positives, and the resulting latency issues, and that the whole thing
is ungodly expensive.
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 18:24 +1100, Adam Kennedy wrote:
I'm not suggesting this be the ONLY way of dealing with the issue.
If it's possibly to at least remove all the excuses that it's cheap
and easy, and demonstrate an ongoing series of high profile false
positives, and the resulting latency
Youre forgetting how wholeheartedly the people of australia voted in the
current labor government.
Although this should really move to slug-chat
Dean
Mike wrote:
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be
Guys this is bloody serious -- let's do something about it.
Petitions, complaints, protests -- anything!
Whom we can write about it? Any ideas how to resist?
2009/12/15 Mike beatbreake...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got
Hi Dmitry,
I agree, this should be actively opposed and it will be - Electronic
Frontiers Australia are already on the case - http://nocleanfeed.com
Cheers,
Marty
Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
Guys this is bloody serious -- let's do something about it.
Petitions, complaints, protests -- anything!
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be
censored next year.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
I wrote to Conroy talking about proxies and ssh tunnels and received back many
Thanks Marty.
Not only them, but also http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet
But I'm afraid it might be already too late.
It's not only humiliating, I think Australians will only feel more
isolated.
It doesn't matter what they intend to filter but introducing such an
instrument to control
jam j...@tigger.ws writes:
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be censored
next year.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
I wrote to Conroy talking about proxies and ssh tunnels
quote who=Dmitry Smirnov
Not only them, but also http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet
But I'm afraid it might be already too late.
No, this is actually a good step forward - they have now said they're going
to introduce legislation next year and have released the report, so now it's
Few links related to Conroy's censorship:
https://broowery.com/
http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/
http://www.zdnet.com.au/story_media/339300056/ISP_Filtering_Live_Pilot_Report_low_res.pdf
(October
2009)
Can't open wikileaks.org at the moment :(
https://broowery.com/
2009/12/16 Jeff
I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be
censored next year.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
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