As others I'm disappointed that Soekris is so silent on this issue,
especially if the root cause doesn't come from a broken bios/PCB
design/...
Building something reliable and with good support using Soekris hardware
is lottery. Plain and simple.
Sometimes Soren tells just fairytales, FYI:
h
is there anybody in here willing to donate a net6501 device to the dev
team of pfSense? Several owners of net6501 boards, including myself,
started facing more and more problems with pfSense lately
This is where proud company owner may step in and donate board to devs.
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I bought 5 net6501-70 servers
They were mostly flawless for that time, but over the last few months 3
of them have died with the red error light and no BIOS post information.
> I have OpenBSD on a net6501 which was working fine, however after the
> last reboot it shows a constant red "error"
I cannot get Linux to recognize the second serial port on the net6501.
this second uart would be handled by the linux serial8250 driver.
Traditionally legacy devices must be enabled / enumerated by BIOS
subroutine. I don't have net6501 to check, but i have i wonder what bios
data table at a
I then brought the unit over to my lab bench and hooked it up to my variable
power supply.
But then something magical happened at 5v, 3 of the network leds (the three that had been in use prior to the failure) lit up.
And so that's where I’m at. Kind of out of ideas, and not sure of how much
For some reason GRUB does not like my CF card. Very odd.
I bet that GRUB is not a problem this time. Grub is an multistage
bootloader and when bios reports some really odd geometry, grub may just
give up (fails to load second stage).
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AMuse wrote:
Bad form, Alvar.
Thanks for kind words. I tried to collect some links before answer. So
here it is.
1) NiMH battery and 6501
http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2012-February/018149.html
After half of year...
http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2012-Au
Christopher Hilton kirjutas:
> hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
> which creates a situation that I want to remedy. My choices are:
>
> Buy a Rackmount soekris case and install a fan
> Replace this box with something that's got a little more power like a
Net6501
www.routerboard
One concern I have is this Debian Squeeze installation ftp site becoming
obsolete and discarded.
My questions is how do I download all packages, build my own install
site and live in a vacuum?
http://archive.debian.org/README
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> time I end up with a corrupt console, the other fraction it works. I
Looks like combios uart initialization (baud rate divisor value) is wrong.
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> But result are same: grub hangs.
>
> Someone has the solution?
This grub second stage hang is happened with net5501 too sometimes (but
not always).
After repartitioning CF card (small msdos boot partition) and using
syslinux as loader at least net5501 boots everytime. net6501 uses
comBIOS
Andrea Borghi kirjutas:
> supported packages (i expect grub-legacy will be dropped anytime soon)
Probably not and Grub v1 (legacy) debian package maintaining continues.
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy.html
http://wiki.debian.org/Grub
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> I still have the problem that nobody running FreeBSD and OpenBSD have
> reported similar issues, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Just to point one:
http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2011-December/017988.html
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> Do you use eth0? If yes, try not using it. The VT6105M of eth0 shares
> its power supply pins and capacitors with the mini PCI interface.
This is the reason i obtained net5501-s - need for more than 3 ethernet
NIC-s on router, _real_ NIC-s, and not those vlan capable 5 port
internal "smart swi
> The net5501 have 4 ethernet ports, 1 Mini-PCI slot and 2 PCI expansion
> slots each with 4 interrupt lines. Therefore the 4 interrupt pins on the
> Geode LX need to be shared along the possible devices. PCI Interrupt
> sharing is part of the PCI specification and should in principle not be
>
> The Linux VT6105M driver has interrupt race problems, reported to have
2D13 has same ethernet chip. Just FYI - i have 10+ Alix boards, all
without this sort of problems. Just used net5501 boards simply because i
need 4 or 5 LAN interfaces, Alix is limited to 3 (i don't count usb
NIC-s as real
> As I have stated before, afaik the net5501 do not have any design
> issues, Attila's problem is most likely either software related,
Please, can you explain, why similar board from PCEngines (Alix 2D13)
with same software (OpenWRT image) just works, but Soekris board shows
some unstability?
Lars Noodén kirjutas:
> I'm trying to install Debian on a net5501 and regardless of whether I
> try to get squeeze, wheezy or sid, the same error pops up:
> The installation process detects network hardware fine (eth4: Realtek
> How can I get around this error?
Remove disk from net5501, and just
Soren Kristensen writes:
> testing Intel's code is pretty old so it have been though a LOT of
comBIOS ver. 1.41a 20111203 Copyright (C) 2000-2011 Soekris Engineering.
1024 Mbyte MemoryCPU Atom E6xx 1000 Mhz
SATA AHCI BIOS ver. 0.6 20110902 Copyright (C) 2003-2011 Intel Corporatio
> Sorry I mixed you up, you just sounded like him
You can't even apologize without being ironical.
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P.S. Sent PM yesterday, just to keep fight away on list. I and Attila
tried to explain net5501 problems, you take it and turn to personal
attack. Thank you to be such .
> Btw, did you get that newer Linux version running that seems to fix the
> net5501 unstability and wifi problems you claimed is caused by "bad
> power supplies" ??
Even when Attila Kinali and i share same initials, we are different
people, in different countries, thousands of kilometers appart
Soren Kristensen writes:
> The Transcend mSATA boards when coming from the manufacturer is not
> compatible with the mSATA standard, so until they get it fixed
> seems to be incompatible SATA drive,
> SATA code is from Intel so we can't do much there.
Looks like blaming other manufac
>>> No aluminum cases in business installs please,
> He might have a point, though. Proper grounding and a case able
> to magnetically shield things (such as iron) can make all the
> difference between the electronics surviving or not.
Direct lightning strike to will kill electric equipment anywa
>> GPIO support for net5501 in Linux kernel.
>>
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-geode/2011-December/000267.html
>
> Was that directed at my post?
No. This post is primarly for saying thanks to Philip, just without
starting another net5501 thread. Still important for Soekris users.
GPIO support for net5501 in Linux kernel.
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-geode/2011-December/000267.html
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Soren Kristensen kirjutas:
> Hi Attila,
> You wrote in the old email:
>> 3) The PC87366 has three fan controllers, but none of these pins are wired to
>>a connector. Interestingly though, some of the joystick pins are, but not
>>all, which renders them totally useless. So there is no way t
Alan kirjutas:
> I have to admit though that I never reported this to sa...@soekris.com
> before, I just posted my findings in this mailing list, that's why I'm
> CCing them now.
> Soren Kristensen:
> As it says on the soekris website, technical questions should be
> directly to sa...@soekris.
> one long complain about things you wanted the net5501 to be like,
> it didn't ask any questions at all
> Sorry, but did you really expect me to spend time answering that ???
At least acknowledging that net5501 design is a bit problematic. comBIOS
quirks, constantly arriving overheat problem
Mouse kirjutas:
>>> And afaik, WLAN problem like yours usually turns out to be driver
>>> issues, [...]
>> Interesting that the very same card works in a different PC with the
> "[H]ence the same drivers" is an unwarranted leap. It may be the same
> of the system which probably aren't using the
Philip kirjutas:
> IDE harddisk,
> The problem is that if I put the CF card in the slot the net5501 won't
> boot from the harddisk,
HDD Master/Slave settings? Anyway, i'm not sure that CF and IDE HDD can
be used simultaneously at all. SATA + CF combination works.
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> Net6501 and case on my desk and looking at the
> 2.5" drive mounting bracket and asking "why is that drive mounting
> bracket needed at all?"
As we all probably know, case design is not a stronger part of Soekris
team at all (constant overheating issues, HDD mounting over PCB, which
adds an
> I wonder if any Soekris motherboard ever failed; any horror history
> about that? Juvenile fails? Or only lightning, earthquake, fire ...?
Not an horror story, but yes. On one net5501 eth0 works, but front panel
LED not (RJ45 jack led is still OK). Stopped working after 3 months or
so after
> my hands The net7501 is going to reuse a lot of "building blocks"
> from the net6501, to be launched sometimes in Q2'2012, and the price
> will be reasonable.
Can we all hope this time documentation will be available when boards
are in full production? Yes, i point to net5501 nonexisting
> linux /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-486
> root=UUID=47512b1a-4abc-46a2-97f3-0b8152d43d87 ro verbose
>
> However the boot process remains non-verbose:
add console=ttyS0,19200n8
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> the soekris bios is advanced enough (1) to use logical sector addressing so
>
> (1) in contrast to alix stuff that uses CHS
FUD?
PC Engines ALIX.2 v0.99h
01F0 Master 044A TRANSCEND
Phys C/H/S 987/16/63 Log C/H/S 987/16/63
BIOS setup:
*C* CHS mode (L) LBA mode (W) HDD wait
Btw, about specific router/firewall optimized distros - Linux based
OpenWRT works nicely at least on net5501.
www.openwrt.org
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> We have only taken the net 5501 up to around 20MB, throughput - will you
> get more through it?
Alix 2d13 (same 500Mhz Geode LX chipset, even same VIA VT6105M network
chips), used as nat/firewall box, WAN downlink 100Mbit, up 20Mbit.
Measured with 3 different methods (webbased speedtest.net,
>> GRUB loading, please wait...
>> Error 25
>
> Turns out it was a CF problem after all, despite that
> It just shows that you can never be too sure that a piece of hardware
> is functioning as expected.
My experience shows that net5501 BIOS is extremely picky about CF cards.
This cannot be just
> Kernel config should have been
#CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is not set
CONFIG_IDE=y
CONFIG_IDE_GD_ATA=y
CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y
Ok, from this - probably /dev/hdX is right. Anyway, for Soekris nt5501 i
then recommend turning on CS5536 companion chip support, for now your
config shows "# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5
> http://files.asymptotic.co.uk/kernel_config.config
404
> LILO config:
root = /dev/sdb1
append = "... root=/dev/hda1"
Where is your root partition _in reality_? Remove one of confusing root=...
Looking from kernel output (Cannot open root device "hda1") one
suggestion is to change root to /d
> Does somebody modify such case to add additional cooling? I don't
> somebody have good non-trivial ideas how to add cooling without
> adding ugliness to device?
Cannibalizing old laptop cpu/northbridge fan is maybe an option, they
are designed to blow on side. Just for idea:
htt
Chris Galle kirjutas:
> Well, there you go, the Alix case is Aluminum.
> So the entire Alix case is acting like a heat sink.
I can do subjective test by touching with hand and my assertion is that
net5501 CPU is usually warmer than Alix CPU under similar load, even
without case. Why, i don't kno
Stanislav Meduna kirjutas:
> What color is the net5501 case? If it is this one
> http://soekris.eu/shop/images/net5501_BC_front_big.jpg
All Soekris own cases are same (lime) color.
> and Alix one is black in- and outside, that might
> well make the difference.
Alix makes 3 colors - plain alumin
> This is very well possible. When i got my net5501 i found out that
> the case has no thermal design whatsoever and is prone to overheating
> even in unloaded conditions (measured 70°C cpu temp when _idle_).
> Over all, i do not recommend getting the standard net5501 case as
> it is a clear
> Anyone using Openwrt (trunk) on the net5501?
> about your experiences using the net5501 subtarget.
I finished up with compiling kernel separately for finetuning (inclusion
of PC87366 module, geode watchdog etc).
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Pete Kay kirjutas:
> I am trying to have my Soekris board to somehow control a set of 16
> LEDs,
> What are the components that I can purchase
> off-the-shelf for this kind of thing?
Net5501 has 12 general purpose IO pins on JP5, which are accessible from
userspace. But if you need more than
> Anyone else have any luck bringing up Openwrt?
Yes, so far Kamikaze 8.09.2 without problems.
With custom kernel (2.6.32.10), but OpenWRT generic kernel must work too.
For bringing net5501 up you don't need gpio stuff (i2c-scx200-acb,
nsc_gpio, pc8736x_gpio or cs5536_gpio) at all, hovewer you
Alvar Kusma kirjutas:
> So question remains: How to access SW1 (reset) button state as input pin
> from user software? I have some doubts, that 4801 manual here doesn't apply.
Allright, some progress.
Reset button in "Soft" mode is connected over LPC903 MCU to CS5536 G
Hello all.
http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2009-December/016234.html
Same problem, this time under linux. I can access PC87366 GPIO pins, but
looks like GPIO47 doesn't even exist on pc87366. About GPIO18 on net4801
- this is SC1100 CPU GPIO port, which not the case with net5501
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