Re: Industry Solidarity...

2013-02-26 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
As I said, I can also think of plenty cases when your advice applies and is good advice. Just that I hear it a lot, and often proposed as a fit-all solution. I was merely pointing out that for some of us it isn't one. Enough of my happyness depends on me finding a good work and out of work balance,

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2013-02-26 Thread Andy Nicholas
tt > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:53 PM > To: Sebastien Sterling; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >

RE: Industry Solidarity...

2013-02-26 Thread Matt Lind
Sebastien Sterling; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Industry Solidarity... I agree that the key word is "distribution". That's ultimately where the money is coming from and it's a tough market out there. Unless the front cover of your film packaging looks like Die Hard 7

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2013-02-26 Thread Steven Caron
ya, and now with the star wars IP they are sitting on some serious equity. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Lind wrote: > But as a company they survived because they own their own IP. >

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2013-02-26 Thread Matt Lind
: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Industry Solidarity. Except Disney has opened and shut down CG studios numerous times and displaced hundreds of people, and Dreamworks recently had their own huge round of layoffs. IP situation is different and may be better than service only, but it

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2013-02-26 Thread Bradley Gabe
Except Disney has opened and shut down CG studios numerous times and displaced hundreds of people, and Dreamworks recently had their own huge round of layoffs. IP situation is different and may be better than service only, but it isn't the answer. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Matt Lind wrot

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2013-02-26 Thread Matt Lind
todesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Szabolcs Matefy Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:03 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Industry Solidarity. Unfortunately the same happens to Game Develoeprs, and Outsource companies as well. We have to bid lower than C

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2013-02-26 Thread Andy Nicholas
I agree that the key word is "distribution". That's ultimately where the money is coming from and it's a tough market out there. Unless the front cover of your film packaging looks like Die Hard 7 then you're gonna have a tough time of selling it. It's literally as shallow as that. You don't think

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2013-02-26 Thread Sebastien Sterling
It would be great if Europe got its own feature film industry, at the moment i'm working at a feature film company in belgium tailoring its product for an American audience (setting humour narrative structure), they don't get it, you don't sell America to America, i understand why they want to do t

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2013-02-26 Thread Meng-Yang Lu
If you have the means, the skills, the connections, and the chutzpah to demand the rates for your work, then awesome. Continue living the dream. I just sympathize with those that for whatever reasons have had their options marginalized. I think once you secured your finances and the bills are pa

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2013-02-26 Thread Szabolcs Matefy
Behalf Of Eric Thivierge Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Industry Solidarity. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Chris Covelli wrote: Maybe the problem isnt that they arent specific enough, but rather they are just obvious, so, as you&#x

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2013-02-26 Thread Eric Thivierge
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Chris Covelli wrote: > Maybe the problem isnt that they arent specific enough, but rather they > are just obvious, so, as you've asked, why arent they enforced? We take them for granted and feel as if we have no power? We need to start pushing back against it.

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2013-02-26 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Well Chris you brought up a good one... I am in Mexico and here the movies industry is just a tiny fraction of what Hollywood is. Not many chances to do VFX Hollywood style. Most of the VFX are done for TV commercials and I can say VFX guys here are as underrated as Hollywood. Most producers,

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2013-02-26 Thread Chris Covelli
Maybe the problem isnt that they arent specific enough, but rather they are just obvious, so, as you've asked, why arent they enforced? Just like legislation that places heavy taxes on companies that outsourcewhy arent they effectively discouraging the outsourcing? Chris Covelli http://ww

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2013-02-26 Thread Chris Covelli
Here's a point I raised on my facebook profile amid posting and re-posting things to generate awareness that I think is worth thinking about: "So apparently, among others at the Oscars last night, Nicole Kidman was seen mouthing the words 'poor things' as the VFX crew for Life of Pi were shuffled

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2013-02-26 Thread Chris Covelli
Resistanzia! Chris Covelli http://www.polygonpusherinc.com/ On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Rob Chapman wrote: > Drunk hulk smash! :) > > > On 26 February 2013 04:22, Raffaele Fragapane > wrote: > >> I hear that reasoning a lot. >> On one end, it's agreeable. Sure, if your passion is CG

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2013-02-26 Thread Rob Chapman
Drunk hulk smash! :) On 26 February 2013 04:22, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: > I hear that reasoning a lot. > On one end, it's agreeable. Sure, if your passion is CG, go ahead, find > new venues. > Some of us, however, do this because we're into creature work of a certain > profile, or film in gener

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2013-02-25 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
I hear that reasoning a lot. On one end, it's agreeable. Sure, if your passion is CG, go ahead, find new venues. Some of us, however, do this because we're into creature work of a certain profile, or film in general, or both. For that demographic, looking at venues such as mobile app graphics, or s

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2013-02-25 Thread Meng-Yang Lu
You have to look at it a different way. There's actually a ton of applications we can use CG for. It's just that we like to kiss Hollywood's glittery ass that gets us in trouble. There's a lot of avenues we can all pursue. Just like iPhone and iPads opened up new doors for us to leverage our ta

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2013-02-25 Thread Sebastien Sterling
VFX, Animation, CG in general seems to be saturating, it would be a grave thing indeed if digital art was relegated to the level of street performing due to industrial greed and sector saturation. On 26 February 2013 02:57, Christopher Crouzet < christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Until I hov

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2013-02-25 Thread Christopher Crouzet
Until I hovered and read the tooltip for that emoticon, I thought it was Homer Simpson grabbing a breast from Marge... needless to say that I was confused. ... sorry, yeah, GO VFX! On 26 February 2013 13:20, Bradley Gabe wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane < > raf

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2013-02-25 Thread Gene Crucean
gt;>>>>> to your friends who aren't in the industry. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric Thivierge >>>>>> http://www.ethivierge.com >>>>&

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2013-02-25 Thread Ed Manning
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau < >>>>> marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 51st. >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >

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2013-02-25 Thread Eric Thivierge
ethivierge.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau < >>>> marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The 51st. >>>>> >>

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2013-02-25 Thread Bradley Gabe
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane < raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Leave it to the VFX industry to pixel fuck even a symbolic protest :D > > >

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2013-02-25 Thread Steven Caron
on, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau < >>>> marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The 51st. >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.au

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2013-02-25 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
vierge.com >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau < >>> marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The 51st. >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

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2013-02-25 Thread Gene Crucean
rom:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron >>> *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 >>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Industry Solidarity... >&g

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2013-02-25 Thread Matt Lind
image@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Industry Solidarity... I think we should align our chroma greens a bit better. We don't wanna look like schlubs protesting if we can't even get the same color values. -Lu On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Eric Thivierge mailto:ethivie...@gmail.com

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2013-02-25 Thread Ahmidou Lyazidi
-Andre Carbonneau >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The 51st. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com >>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron >&

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2013-02-25 Thread Steven Caron
gt;> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron >>> *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 >>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Industry Solidarity... >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> wait which shade of green? ;) >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Eric Thivierge >>> wrote: >>> >>> Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! >>> >> >> >

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2013-02-25 Thread Steffen Dünner
rom:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron >>> *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 >>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Industry Solidarity... >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> wait which shade of green? ;) >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Eric Thivierge >>> wrote: >>> >>> Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! >>> >> >> >

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2013-02-25 Thread Meng-Yang Lu
; >> The 51st. >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron >> *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re

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2013-02-25 Thread Bradley Gabe
ftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron >> *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Industry Solidarity... >> >> ** ** >> >> w

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2013-02-25 Thread Eric Thivierge
.@ubisoft.com> wrote: > The 51st. > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Caron > *Sent:* 25 février 2013 16:49 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: In

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2013-02-25 Thread Marc-Andre Carbonneau
The 51st. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron Sent: 25 février 2013 16:49 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Industry Solidarity... wait which shade of green? ;) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM

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2013-02-25 Thread Steven Caron
wait which shade of green? ;) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! >

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2013-02-25 Thread Bradley Gabe
Operation Ponyboy! On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! > > > Eric Thivierge > http://www.ethivierge.com > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Bradley Gabe wrote: > >> ...is a

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2013-02-25 Thread Meng-Yang Lu
What would be fun is if we painted LA chroma green. We're already there with the green bike lanes. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! > > > Eric Thivierge > http://www.ethiv

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2013-02-25 Thread Javier Vega
Everybody in green. I wrote an article (in Spanish, sorry) talking about that and I received more than 2600 visitors en 5 hours. I will share that problem to all the world http://blog.zao3d.com/2013/02/la-vida-de-pi-de-rhythm-hues-triunfadora-y-sus-trabajadores-sin-cobrar/ *Javier Vega* www.zao3

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2013-02-25 Thread Eric Thivierge
Stay green until this problem is fixed! Do not relent! Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Bradley Gabe wrote: > ...is a beautiful thing. > > My Facebook has turned completely green! > Thanks everyone for partic

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2013-02-25 Thread Stefan Andersson
Google+ and Twitter is green on my side. The more we are, the more we are visible. /Stefan On Feb 25, 2013, at 22:18, Bradley Gabe wrote: > ...is a beautiful thing. > > My Facebook has turned completely green! > Thanks everyone for participating. > > -Bradley