Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Jason S
On 07/29/14 15:42, Jason S wrote: Or perhaps is it resellers having a hard time saying 'no' to questions like.. "Hi I would like 5 licences please." Resellers and/or Autodesk (I wouldn't expect an official statement thou

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Jason S
Actually, they sort of kept relaxing the terms ever since the announcement, until you can now get single licences (as I learned in more than one occasion) Or perhaps is it resellers having a hard time saying 'no' to questions like.. "Hi I would like

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Martin
Sorry, I meant scalable as increasing your seats and artists in the process if needed. The first one will become impossible as soon as SI disappear from the ultimate suites, and the second one quite difficult. Martin Sent from my iPhone > On 2014/07/29, at 21:34, Sebastien Sterling > wrote: >

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Leendert A. Hartog
Emilio Hernandez schreef op 29-7-2014 14:54: If only AD had marketed SI towards anyone... Frankly I am afraid they did market it to a specific group, namely us, the existing user base. We fully accepted the "future is bright" PR that was going on and kept paying for a product that seemed to g

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Instead of like... no one :P and actively berrying it in the product list :P On 29 July 2014 13:54, Emilio Hernandez wrote: > If only AD had marketed SI towards anyone... > > --- > Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation. > >

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Emilio Hernandez
If only AD had marketed SI towards anyone... --- Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation.

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Jon Swindells
Gingham pattern label generator for my mum's burgeoning pickle business. scalable is as scalable does if only AD had marketed xsi towards insane retired mothers :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Tue, Jul 29, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Sebastien Sterling wrote: Softimage se

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Softimage seems pretty scalable, adviz, kids TV, videogames, MMO, feature film :P On 29 July 2014 12:17, Martin Yara wrote: > Exactly. The fact that you can't scale your project is the problem, and > the cause why Softimage has only a few years to survive. > > I'll still use Softimage as lo

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Martin Yara
Exactly. The fact that you can't scale your project is the problem, and the cause why Softimage has only a few years to survive. I'll still use Softimage as long as it gives me better performance even if I have to deal with exports / imports to and from Maya, but let's face it, SI has been murdere

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Angus Davidson
ilto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL Do your kids work in teams Angus or as one man enterprises ? cause SI is great for singles but if you are going to have to teach them maya... best take a leaf out of the

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Do your kids work in teams Angus or as one man enterprises ? cause SI is great for singles but if you are going to have to teach them maya... best take a leaf out of the french schools book, e.g goblin supinfocom or ESMA. typically the kids coordinate of into groups each bringing their interests to

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-29 Thread Angus Davidson
Unfortunately for Education that EOL moniker is very much the kiss of death. While businesses can use SI until its pried from their cold dead fingers, we would never get any students for courses that teach EOL software. No Matter how superior it may be to the alternatives. In fact just to show

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Can't we just all agree that Autodesk are a bunch of loathsome cunt's, and try to move on hopefully towards a package divorced from their influence with occasinal patching ups using our old SI's where necessary ? On 29 July 2014 07:48, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > Alok, as you said: The demand in ou

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Alok, as you said: The demand in our industry is the usual : More efficiency in lesser time. That is what we have with SI, nt so much with Maya. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Andres Stephens wrote: > My only concern is topping up on a good number of lisenses so it lasts > in my wor

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Alok Gandhi
We have been through all of this before so I think a war for mere words and definitions is futile however lofty the loyalties for Soft are. It is a fact that to keep up with the pace of newer developments, people have to change. The demand in our industry is the usual : More efficiency in lesse

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Jason S
On 07/28/14 20:52, Emilio Hernandez wrote: And yet it moves... --- Emilio Hernández   VFX & 3D animation Yep, I guess 'moves'

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Eric Turman
(2) (*End Of Life*) Refers to the planned demise of a hardware or software *product* due to its natural evolution from utility to obsolescence. By the above definition, it seems to me that Softimage was *murdered *rather than *EOL'ed *;) All to make way for the master race...erm master software.

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Emilio Hernandez
*And yet it moves...* --- Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Matt Lind
oc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage is not EOL It's not precise at all. It depends on the POV. Two are available. Here's the developers view: "End-of-life" (EOL) is a term used with respect to a product supplied to customers, indicating that the product is in the end of its us

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sven Constable
c Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:26 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Sven Constable wrote: > Hi list, > > Some people (Adsk) told me recently that Softimage is EOL. Well, one > could argue that the word &

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sven Constable
014 12:39 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL Does this even matter? Facts are... 1. Softimage is not available to anyone for purchase anymore 2. Softimage is not actively developed anymore Sure, if you freeze your hardware, OS, and drivers at this point, you

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Sven Constable wrote: > Hi list, > > Some people (Adsk) told me recently that Softimage is EOL. Well, one could > argue that the word "life" in terms of software is ridicilous in the first > place. It's "life" as in a product's lifecycle. End of Life is a busines

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sergio Mucino
orm works. > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:47 PM > To: XSI Mailing List > Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL > > "B" is inevitable and

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Matt Lind
28, 2014 2:59 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL You are on step 3 already (Bargaining), we've jumped anger! On Monday, 28 July 2014, Matt Lind mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com>> wrote: B isn’t a big deal for Windows software as it has a lot o

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sven Constable
image-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:47 PM To: XSI Mailing List Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL "B" is inevitable and only a matter of time... Better prepare to switch before the metaphorical door of incompatibility hits you in th

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Cristobal Infante
*Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 2:47 PM > *To:* XSI Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: Softimage is not EOL > > > > "B" is inevitable and only a matter of time... Better prepare to switch > before the metaphorical door of incompatibility hits you in the face. > > > &g

RE: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Matt Lind
image-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 2:47 PM To: XSI Mailing List Subject: Re: Softimage is not EOL "B" is inevitable and only a matter of time... Better prepare to switch before the metaphorical door of incompatibility hits you in

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Alan Fregtman
"B" is inevitable and only a matter of time... Better prepare to switch before the metaphorical door of incompatibility hits you in the face. My $0.02, -- Alan On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jon Swindells wrote: > remind us again, what stage of grief is denial ? > > > > -- > Jon Swinde

Re: Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Jon Swindells
remind us again, what stage of grief is denial ? -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Mon, Jul 28, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Sven Constable wrote: Hi list, Some people (Adsk) told me recently that Softimage is EOL. Well, one could argue that the word "life" in terms of soft

Softimage is not EOL

2014-07-28 Thread Sven Constable
Hi list, Some people (Adsk) told me recently that Softimage is EOL. Well, one could argue that the word "life" in terms of software is ridicilous in the first place. But because I thought about what Softimage is currently as a product, I would like to dive deeper into the subject:) The question i