Re: [SAtalk] [RD] Justified text

2004-01-31 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Regis, Monday, January 26, 2004, 1:56:56 PM, you wrote: RW> Got some new variants on the "justified text" ratware. By going to 66 chars, RW> they have slipped through the rule. So I've fixed it up a bit. Please test RW> and let me know, etc. I split your rule into multiple, each with a

[SAtalk] ShortMsgid

2004-01-31 Thread Robert Menschel
Had a spate of unwanted emails, apparently empty body, very short message ids. Built a set of rules: headerRM_hm_ShortMsgid06 Message-ID =~ /^.{1,6}$/ describe RM_hm_ShortMsgid06 Message ID is too short to be valid. Possible spam/virus sign score RM_hm_ShortMsgid06 0.800 #

[SAtalk] Re: bmastgr

2004-01-30 Thread Robert Menschel
[THIS LIST HAS MOVED! see http://useast.spamassassin.org/lists.html .]Thursday, January 29, 2004, 8:24:15 PM, I wrote: RM> Even better, since it will catch use of this address in a TO, CC, and/or RM> From header, might be: RM> ... RM> I don't yet have stats for this meta rule (I haven't even l

[SAtalk] bmastgr

2004-01-30 Thread Robert Menschel
In every domain I manage, we receive spam directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't imagine I'm the only one. Apparently some address harvester somewhere along the way harvested and then mangled [EMAIL PROTECTED], dropping the leading "we" and replacing the "ter" with "tgr". I created this rule toda

Re[3]: [SAtalk] Another v word got through

2004-01-29 Thread Robert Menschel
time=1072881261,mid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . 1 ./corpus.ham/ham.040110.1410848 LOCAL_DRUGS_MALDYSFUNCTION_OBFU,LOCAL_DRUGS_MALEDYSFUNCTION,__DRUGS_MALEDYSFUNCTION1,__DRUGS_MALEDYSFUNCTION13 time=1073309483,mid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MK> At 06:12 PM 1/28/04 -0800, Robert Menschel wrote

Re: [SAtalk] bayes learning and sa-talk list

2004-01-29 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello PieterB, Monday, January 26, 2004, 8:03:45 AM, you wrote: P> Is there some way to prevent spamassassin from using SA-talk messages P> for Bayes auto_learning. My bayes filter seems to be less effective P> since a lot of spamphrases/tokens are discussed on this list. My method: 1) I subscri

Re: [SAtalk] BAYES_99

2004-01-29 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello David, Saturday, January 24, 2004, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote: DH> I've been playing with bayes on my home machine and have been very impressed DH> with it. I was however wondering to what degree everyone else trusts DH> BAYES_99? Is it generally accepted as a sure spamsign or do you expect ti

Re: [SAtalk] [RD] Meta-tripwire idea

2004-01-29 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello John, Monday, January 26, 2004, 5:10:32 AM, you wrote: JW> It struck me that since individual tripwire rules are at risk of FPs, JW> but that multiple tripwire hits on the same message are much less so, JW> it might be worthwhile assigning a significantly higher score to JW> messages that h

Re[4]: [SAtalk] Recieved From database

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Sylvain, Friday, January 23, 2004, 8:04:51 AM, you wrote: >> Yes, that one works for me: >> SYL_BAD_XOIPa -- 3881s/0h of 91714 corpus (74113s/17601h) 01/22/04 SR> Beautiful! Thanks for checking that! Perhaps I can buy you a salted SR> ham sandwich some time! :-) I prefer unsalted, than

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Recieved From database

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Sylvain, Monday, January 26, 2004, 11:38:38 AM, you wrote: SR> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Robert Menschel wrote: >> Would you have any objection to submitting for consideration, >> and sending in an Apache Contributor License Agreement so the SA >> developers can use th

Re: [SAtalk] How to increase score of this message?

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello ricardo, Monday, January 26, 2004, 7:00:03 PM, you wrote: r> I'm attaching a message (I hope it makes it through to the list) which r> scored a low 0.1 with SA 2.63. r> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to possibly make SA get a higher r> score for this type of message? Any new recip

Re: [SAtalk] bigevil; chicknpox; weeds...

2004-01-27 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Thorsten, Monday, January 26, 2004, 7:28:21 AM, you wrote: TS> What is your opinion to that cf's? TS> Does it make sence to take them all, or maybe only parts of them? TS> Is it a good solution to install them whithout realy knowing how the TS> rules are build? TS> Only for private or also

Re: [SAtalk] Re: X-Originating-IP isn't a number

2004-01-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Who, Friday, January 23, 2004, 5:08:57 AM, you wrote: WK> Anthony Martinez wrote: >> I got a spam today where the X-Originating-IP header wasn't a number. Hotmail >> always puts the dotted quad in the header. WK> I have been receiving a good many of these lately. I am hestant to add WK> an

[SAtalk] Longwords

2004-01-26 Thread Robert Menschel
This is a forwarded message From: Robert Menschel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 24, 2004, 7:10:18 PM Subject: [RulesEmporium] Longwords ===8<==Original message text=== Received an email this morning which reminded me about my

Re: [SAtalk] Auto-learn SA after having trained it

2004-01-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Mark, Friday, January 23, 2004, 7:19:45 AM, you wrote: MS> Hi all, MS> I have been training SA manually for a couple of weeks now. I estimate MS> a good 2000 emails for both Spam and Ham have been learned by it. MS> Coupla questions though . . . I want to put it into auto-learn mode MS> be

Re: [SAtalk] All-upper-case Message-ID

2004-01-22 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Brent, Thursday, January 22, 2004, 8:33:25 AM, you wrote: BJN> Comments on this one? Some spam has been slipping through (FN) with this BJN> in the header. The only ham I have that hit this rule (FP) are a few from BJN> back in 2001, of the form BJN> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BJN> header BCS_U

Re: [SAtalk] [RD] spammers write rules for us

2004-01-22 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Regis, Thursday, January 22, 2004, 7:25:30 AM, you wrote: RW> Got a spam that's so easy, the spammers write the rules for us: RW> Message-ID: RW> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RW> So, RW> header MESSAGEID_RATWAREALL =~ RW> /\nMessage-ID:.<[^-]{7,13}-[^-]{3,11}-[^-]{2,6}/i RW>

Re[3]: [SAtalk] Recieved From database

2004-01-22 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Sylvain, Thursday, January 22, 2004, 7:39:22 AM, you wrote: RM>> Results against my corpus: RM>> SYL_BAD_XOIP -- 73662s/14971h of 91714 corpus (74113s/17601h) 01/21/04 SR> Yes, that's pretty consistent with what I realized it was doing ... :-( SR> I can't even begin to thank you enough f

Re[2]: [SAtalk] SA missed an 'invisible font'?

2004-01-22 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Larry, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 11:37:09 PM, you wrote: LG> Along the same lines, I had the following: LG> describe MY_RBDY_INVTXTSZ1 MY: Invisible text size LG> rawbody MY_RBDY_INVTXTSZ1 /font\s+.*\bsize=.-\d\D/i LG> scoreMY_RBDY_INVTXTSZ1 0.5 LG> describe MY_RBDY_INVTXTSZ2

Re: [SAtalk] Catching padding within html tags / title

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello sckot, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 2:09:51 PM, you wrote: s>I've noticed several spam mails with a lot of quoted text (quotes from s> Dave Barry, some of Moby Dick, that sort of thing. Usually all s> punction is stripped out, but not always.) included within brackets or s> an HTML titl

Re: [SAtalk] SA missed an 'invisible font'?

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Charles, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 8:14:50 AM, you wrote: CG> Example HTML below. SA seems to have not recognized the EE font as CG> 'invisible', perhaps because it is just one or two points outside the CG> 'range' permitted by SA? But also note that they have used a ZERO point CG> s

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Recieved From database

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Sylvain, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 7:54:09 AM, you wrote: SR> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Christian Nygaard wrote: SR> A friend of mine also has suggested the following (the coding is my own, SR> so if it doesn't work, I've poorly implemented the suggestion): SR> header SYL_BAD_XOIP X-Ori

Re[6]: [SAtalk] Set up

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello George, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 9:30:33 PM, you wrote: GM> Yes this basically my family site but my main email for most things so. I GM> will probably be setting up alias's for ebay, shopping, etc. I find that very handy. I have email accounts for [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re[4]: [SAtalk] Hello, new to list ! :-)

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Scott, John, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 9:07:01 PM, you wrote: SW> John, SW> After this I started adding custom cf's like Bigevil,backhair, SW> etc. I also started pushing some of the default scores up and down SW> according to what my beta testers were seeing. I'm now starting to SW>

Re[4]: [SAtalk] Set up

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello George, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 8:10:02 PM, you wrote: GM> Thanks seems to be v2.63 Good. Your host is up to date. That bodes well indeed. GM> X-RWH-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean GM> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=8.0 GM> tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME,RCVD_I

Re[4]: [SAtalk] Set up

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello George, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 7:58:31 PM, you wrote: GM> I believe I am limited to what my host has in the cpanel already. GM> Yes I am on shared server sorry. GM> I do have fantastico which will let me install some things but GM> doesn't look related to anything like SA. On your

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Set up

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello George, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 7:24:29 PM, you wrote: GM> Sorry everyone I am very new to this and am reading the documentation just a GM> bit much. I have set the required hits to 8 and understand white/black GM> list. Good start! GM>From what I have read it seems SA will learn on

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Set up

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello George, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 7:05:57 PM, you wrote: RM> George Matos wrote: >> I just got my domain name and am trying to setup spam assassin. I have >> never used it before so I was looking for some setup instructions etc. >> >> Wife won't switch emails till I have it setup. R

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Hello, new to list ! :-)

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello John, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 6:42:34 AM, you wrote: JF> I'm pretty new too, and I'd like some clarification about what is "stock" in JF> SA and what's custom. ... Stock rules are anything installed into the SA rules directory when you install SA. Custom is anything else. JF> I see v

Re: [SAtalk] Making SA on Windows with Perl 5.8.2

2004-01-21 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bret, Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 2:35:06 PM, you wrote: BM> Has anyone successfully made SA on Windows with Perl 5.8.2? I finally BM> gave up on it and went back to Perl 5.6.1. Any suggestions? Had no problem here (under Cygwin): > > spamassassin --version > SpamAssassin version 2.62 >

Re[2]: [SAtalk] One that got through

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Jonathan, Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 9:45:23 AM, you wrote: JN> Time to feed Bayes again.. I think I have almost 1,000 spams in my JN> spam folder (I feed it when it hits 1000) Why do you wait? I feed Bayes at least once a day, sometimes two or three times. True, I get 700-800 spam each

Re: [SAtalk] URI Rules

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Dan, Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 9:31:28 AM, you wrote: DK> How efficient are URI rules? I am probably going to have several hundred DK> of these rules, and I'm wondering if that will cause a problem. I'm DK> guessing I will have between 300 and 600 rules. Is anyone else running DK> this man

Re[2]: [SAtalk] More obfuscation

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Chris, Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 2:41:38 PM, you wrote: CS> I'm not sure where the post is, but about 3 weeks ago I think Dallas CS> put a semi-end to the spell-checker debate :) He ran one and the CS> outcome wasn't so good. Agreed -- we have too many lazy or careles corespondents ;-) fo

Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Fred, Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 3:28:24 PM, you wrote: F> F> Today starts day 1 of a massive joe-job against my domain. F> Today also starts day 1 of my crusade to do something to help the F> problem. F> I feel that large providers of high speed internet services (Cable F> / DSL) need

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Joseph, Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 2:54:44 PM, you wrote: >> It has been almost 24 hours since I received the last spam with Habeas >> headers. Possibly my ISP has added a filter to block the >> pharmacourt.biz spam before I see it ... Has anybody else noticed that >> their spam has stoppe

Re: [SAtalk] Forgery rules for outblaze/mail.com & rambler.ru

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bob, Sunday, January 18, 2004, 5:59:29 PM, you wrote: BA> Based on SPAM-L posts from admins at Outblaze (Suresh) and rambler.ru, I BA> conjured up a few simple rules to detect forgeries from these domains: BA> header RAA_FORGED_FROM_OUTBLAZE Received =~ /\.mr\.outblaze\.com/ BA> de

[SAtalk] Re: [RD] Offered Rules

2004-01-18 Thread Robert Menschel
Here's my next set of possible rules for submission to the SpamAssassin distribution set. URI rules may tend to be more transient than other types of rules, since it's so easy for spammers to change domain names. I'm therefore including only those that hit at least 0.15% of my spam. Well, the pill

Re[4]: [SAtalk] what can we do with those spam mails

2004-01-18 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Martin, Sunday, January 18, 2004, 3:58:34 AM, you wrote: >> L_MIME_BOUND_MANY_DIG -- 153s/0h of 92209 corpus (74874s/17335h) 01/17/04 MR> I've already modified the repeat counts for number of digits in MR> L_MIME_BOUND_MANY_DIG, since it's not constant: MR> header L_MIME_BOUND_MANY_DIG

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Re: Filter rule f. invalid HTML tags?

2004-01-17 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Pierre, Saturday, January 17, 2004, 6:28:37 PM, you wrote: PT> Bob, PT> Thanks for the mass check. I don't have a big corpus handy, PT> just what trickles through the gateway. PT> There should be no problem with a few extra keywords; we could PT> even squeeze "postmaster" in there for go

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Image-ONLY e-mails not filtered?

2004-01-17 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Fred, Thomas, Saturday, January 17, 2004, 12:53:45 PM, you wrote: >> FYI -- I'm noticing SPAMs which contain ONLY an image are not being >> filtered at all. ... F> Try this out for size, they are a few custom rules I have created myself. F> # Catch Image ONLY spams! F> rawbody __FVGT_rb_

Re[2]: [SAtalk] what can we do with those spam mails

2004-01-17 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Martin, Saturday, January 17, 2004, 10:39:15 AM, you wrote: MR> I've added the following rules to my local.cf: MR> header L_MIME_BOUND_MANY_DIG Content-Type =~ /boundary=\"\d{19,}\"/ MR> describe L_MIME_BOUND_MANY_DIG MIME boundary contains lots of digits MR> scoreL_MIME_BOUND_MA

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Filter rule f. invalid HTML tags?

2004-01-17 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Pierre, Saturday, January 17, 2004, 9:30:47 AM, you wrote: PT> I made a rule that catches many of these bogus HTML tags, based PT> on the fact that there are only three valid standalone tags of 9 PT> characters or more (according to the list at PT> http://devedge.netscape.com/library/xref/2

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie Question: full list of headers?

2004-01-15 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Rocky, Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 8:53:25 PM, you wrote: RO> I'm writing some custom rules and i am wondering if there is a list RO> somewhere of what parts of the header i can test? such as RO> header NO_REAL_NAME From =~ RO> header TO_HAS_SPACESTo:addr =~ First

Re[2]: [SAtalk] New HTML spam body obfuscation.

2004-01-14 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Dallas, Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 6:22:05 AM, you wrote: >> As for Dallas's run against his corpus showing very few hits, I did >> mention this is the first time I've ever seen this "trick" used and is >> presumably fairly new. So those rules *might* have some value in the >> future. DL

Re: [SAtalk] improving spamassassin (mass-check question)

2004-01-14 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello PieterB, Justin has already answered, better than I can, but I'll add my two cents: Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 4:23:07 AM, you wrote: P> I would like to start contributing to spamassassin and help to fight P> spam. Fastastic. Welcome aboard. P> http://au.spamassassin.org/hacking.html

Re[2]: [SAtalk] [Fwd: Re: mtier1 spam problem]

2004-01-14 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bart, Josh, Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 12:54:22 PM, you wrote: >> I just received an encrypted email from a coworker and this is what SA >> gave me. It got slammed with tripwire rules (it isn't supposed to, >> right?). BS> In off-list mail I've suggested an improved (I feel) regex for tr

Re: [SAtalk] Does somebody have a rule against 'unnecessary encoding' of subjects?

2004-01-14 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Chr., Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 11:33:35 AM, you wrote: CvS> Does somebody have/know a rule to catch 'unnecessary encodings'? Define "unnecessary." Some are valid, some are obfuscation attempts. I use the following rules (see my personal rules pages on the exit0.us wiki, and note that

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Scoring the Habeas header ...

2004-01-14 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Mike, Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 10:32:31 AM, you wrote: MB> Years of patiently tracking down addresses in headers, LARTing clueless MB> ISPs, and reporting violators to whoever gives a rat's ass, did not result MB> in any reduction in the volume of spam in my Inbox (and my co-workers', w

Re: [SAtalk] cf files

2004-01-12 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Matt, Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:51:09 PM, you wrote: MT> Sorry if this has been asked but I'm not finding anything in the MT> archives. I know that any *.cf placed in /etc/mail/spamassassin gets MT> read but what about rules placed in individual users home directories? MT> Do they need to

Re: [SAtalk] HABEAS_SWE abuse from spammers

2004-01-12 Thread Robert Menschel
Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:57:03 AM, Greg wrote: gic> They've noted that we give HABEAS_SWE a score of -4.6 I think. I'm gic> adjusted it for my machines to zero. Here's the headers: Has anyone else NOT been bothered by this??? Sure I've received some of these spam, but my SA has marked them as

Re: [SAtalk] Your threshold score

2004-01-12 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Carl, Monday, January 12, 2004, 7:32:57 AM, you wrote: CC> What do most people who write new SA rules set their threshold too? I had CC> set it around 3.0 for our company, but the false positive rate was very CC> high. I was looking at some of the big-evil stuff and noticed that many of C

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Mass-Check

2004-01-12 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Smart,Dan, Monday, January 12, 2004, 6:57:26 AM, you wrote: SD> Bob: SD> I take it from your docs that you do not try to run a mass-check against all SD> your rules at one time, but instead do it a dozen at a time? Both. I do a massive check against all my rules (and the distribution rule

[SAtalk] Re[2]: Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bryan, Sunday, January 11, 2004, 6:58:58 PM, you wrote: >> I've just completed documenting my current system at >> http://www.exit0.us/index.php/BobCorpusTest BH> So the good news is, I'm now downloading Cygwin! I've brought down the BH> default packages which took from 7:07pm to 8:22pm,

[SAtalk] Duplicate Emails

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
I'm trying to make sure my corpus is as clean as possible, eliminating all duplicates. I tried to use the masses/corpora/uniq-mailbox program for this, and had problems which I've documented in bugzilla report 2920. Fortunately, my email client identifies and can delete duplicates = same message

[SAtalk] Mass-Check

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Some people have been asking about my mass-check capabilities and reports. I've just completed documenting my current system at http://www.exit0.us/index.php/BobCorpusTest I'll gladly update that documentation to answer questions people may have, and will even update/improve my script if people h

Re: [SAtalk] Rules for word-jumble spam

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Rich, Saturday, January 10, 2004, 10:27:47 PM, you wrote: RW> I came up with a set of rules which appear to catch the new strain RW> of spam with a meaningless jumble of words in the body, while hope- RW> fully not catching any legitimate mail. See below; comments welcome, RW> and (natural

Re: [SAtalk] own rules still not working --- maybe there's something wrong with the rules?

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 10, 2004, 12:03:18 AM, you wrote: SU> Watch out for following rule, as mentioned working fine with direct SU> invocation of the spamassassin script, but even after putting it in the SU> /usr/share/spamassassin 20_head_tests.cf and 50_scores.cf files (did so SU> for

Re: [SAtalk] My custom rulesets for random-word spam

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Brent, Thursday, January 8, 2004, 2:10:15 PM, you wrote: BJN> (the RND_UC_CHAR pattern) and I've just updated it for a few new variants BJN> that have shown up in the past couple of days. The second one, BJN> x_headers.cf, builds on the ideas in the thread "X-Mailer is totally BJN> bogus"

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Re: dictionary words in ascii part of mime

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Kenneth, Friday, January 9, 2004, 6:22:41 AM, you wrote: KP> --On Friday, January 09, 2004 1:53 AM -0700 Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> KP> wrote: >> For me personally SA is still tagging the spam at a very good rate. I >> am only seeing these types of spams in my caughtspam folder. KP>

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Questions about Bayes training

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Pedro, Friday, January 9, 2004, 11:58:55 AM, you wrote: >> Probably some stupid questions, but I'm having trouble finding >> documentation to explain proper Bayes Feeding Techniques: >> >> Do I have to keep feeding Bayes ham as I feed it spam? PS> For best results, feed all human-identif

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Yahoo, etc

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Evan, Friday, January 9, 2004, 12:29:33 PM, you wrote: EP> --On Friday, January 09, 2004 2:24 PM -0600 "Michael H. Collins" EP> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sorta off topic, mebby, but: >> >> As good as SA is working here I have users that are constantly reminding >> me that they get "ab

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes sa-learning routine

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Kevin, Friday, January 9, 2004, 4:56:54 PM, you wrote: KR> Once I have run the sa-learn routine on a group of thousands of messages, is KR> it necessary to keep all of those messages to run the next time I run KR> sa-learn? It takes a while for sa-learn to process thousands of message so K

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Is BigEvil for me?

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bert, Friday, January 9, 2004, 1:36:03 PM, you wrote: BR> I appreciate everyone's responses. I'll give BigEvil a shot and see what BR> happens. I've been running 2.60 with Bayes turned on for a while now and it is BR> working well, but I still seem to be getting a continuous stream of tho

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Is BigEvil for me?

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Nix, Friday, January 9, 2004, 12:28:39 PM, you wrote: N> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Robert Menschel uttered the following: >> Yes, there are three reasons you might not want to use bigevil. >> >> 1) You like getting spam. >> >> 2) You run SA with a thresh

Re: [SAtalk] Re: New spam slipping through

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bob, Thursday, January 8, 2004, 9:03:08 PM, you wrote: BP> Bo Stark wrote: >> The last few days a few new spams have flew under the radar and not been >> caught. What they all have in common is that they have alot of random words >> at the end of the mail. Been trying to feed them through B

Re[4]: [SAtalk] Simple newbie question

2004-01-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Justin, Friday, January 9, 2004, 11:05:14 AM, you wrote: >> > More importantly, the "learn" tells SA to ignore this score in >> > determining whether to learn this email as spam or ham. Otherwise an >> > email that is spam to everyone else will get learned as ham >> > because of a >> > lar

Re[2]: [SAtalk] detecting large collections of random words

2004-01-08 Thread Robert Menschel
Among the recommendations for detecting spam with bayes fodder within it, were: rawbody WORDWORD/[a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} [a-z]{4,12} / describe WORDWORD long string of random

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Simple newbie question

2004-01-08 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Steve, Thursday, January 8, 2004, 11:25:20 AM, you wrote: ST> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:07:59PM -0500, John Fleming is rumored to have said: >> >> I want to specify a text string in the Subject header such that if it >> exists, the msg will NOT be considered spam, no matter what else migh

Re: [SAtalk] Is BigEvil for me?

2004-01-08 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bert, Thursday, January 8, 2004, 10:34:31 AM, you wrote: BR> I've been half heartedly watching the list and have noticed some BigEvil BR> updates. So, I looked at the bigevil site BR> (http://www.merchantsoverseas.com/wwwroot/gorilla/sa_rules.htm). Is there any BR> reason I would not want

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Any rule to catch this spam?

2004-01-07 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Kenneth, Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 10:02:44 AM, you wrote: KP> --On Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:38 AM -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Attached is a spam that seems to sneak by us all of the time. Anyone >> know of a good rule to catch this? KP> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.9 required=

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Those Re: Bunch of capital letters messages

2004-01-07 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Kenneth, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 7:29:04 AM, you wrote: KP> I'm using this set of rules posted to the list last month. Drop this in KP> /etc/mail/spamassassin as rnd_uc_char.cf. OVERALL% SPAM% HAM% S/ORANK SCORE NAME 8594570035159100.815 0.000.00 (al

Re: [SAtalk] 2 new rules :)

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Chris, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 6:21:48 AM, you wrote: CS> Remember back in the day when I wrote rules besides Bigevil? :p CS> Nothing major here, just 2 simple rules I think you will find work pretty CS> good. CS> uri VDRUG_RANDOM1 /\/(?:c2|a3)\.gif/ CS> describe VDRUG_RANDOM1 Random D

Re: [SAtalk] Sender addresses like someone_xx@somewhere.tld

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello MI, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 3:48:53 AM, you wrote: M> Recently, I've seen *lots* of sender addresses where the user part ends M> with an underscore followed by 2 (possibly random) lower case letters. M> ... M> I'm considering adding something like this: M>header LOCAL_FROM_WITH__xx

Re: [SAtalk] online degree glop

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Brad, Monday, January 5, 2004, 8:58:25 PM, you wrote: BK> I've been getting a bunch of messages either squeaking by SA 2.61 or BK> nearly so (bigevil is nice), and added some rules to make them less BK> likely (I couldn't come up with a better name than glop, sorry): BK> describe

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Those Re: Bunch of capital letters messages

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Kenneth, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 7:29:04 AM, you wrote: KP> I'm using this set of rules posted to the list last month. Drop this in KP> /etc/mail/spamassassin as rnd_uc_char.cf. KP> header SUBJ_RND_UC_CHAR_L Subject =~ /\%RND_UC_CHAR/ KP> describe SUBJ_RND_UC_CHAR_L Subject con

Re[2]: [SAtalk] X-Mailer is totally bogus

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Anthony, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 7:54:13 AM, you wrote: >> > header XMAILERBOGUS X-Mailer =~ /^[^A-Z0-9]*$/ >> > describe XMAILERBOGUS X-Mailer header has NO uppercase >> letters, NO numbers... How do you expect me to believe that >> > score XMAILERBOGUS

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Spell Checking the Subject Header (RESULTS)

2004-01-06 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Scott, Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 4:09:24 PM, you wrote: SAC> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:48:17 -0600, "Dallas L. Engelken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> # SUBJ_SPELLING_00 -- 2283s/1850h of 10971 corpus, 2003-12-30 SAC> This doesn't tell me much. How many spams and hams are in the corpus? SA

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Question about spam box

2004-01-05 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Giacinto Butindaro, Monday, January 5, 2004, 1:12:36 PM, Evan responded to your email: EP> --On Monday, January 05, 2004 10:00 PM +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I would like to ask a question about spam assassin. I have enabled spam >> assassin on my mail box, and i have also enabled th

Re: [SAtalk] Score for hand-written test

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alexander, Sunday, January 4, 2004, 7:43:59 PM, you wrote: AL> I have written some tests and don't know what is the score set for these AL> tests. Can some one make the suggestion how to score tests ? I have several algorithms I use. Note that

Re: [SAtalk] Rule gripe....

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Carl, Sunday, January 4, 2004, 7:35:23 AM, you wrote: CRF>Greetings fellow spam assassins! CRF>I'd like to take a moment of your time and gripe about a certain CRF> rule that seems to be causing some grief to the users at the Ocean CRF

[SAtalk] Not quite duplicate messages

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have mass-check and hit-frequencies working now on my system, and am digging into some of the hit-frequencies results. Doing so, I found three copies of the same email in three different ham files. I cleaned that up. I then did an analysis by messa

Re: [SAtalk] spamassassin by domain

2004-01-03 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Danny, Saturday, January 3, 2004, 4:08:24 PM, you wrote: DA> I run a mail hosting/relay box for a number of domains. I would like to DA> offer spamassassin as a service, but some clients may not want to see DA> the subject changed, etc. Is ther

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Re: mass-check and hit-frequencies help needed

2004-01-03 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Justin, Saturday, January 3, 2004, 1:01:18 PM, you wrote: >>Digging into parse-rules-for-masses, it uses >>> sub readrules { >>> foreach my $indir (@_) { >>> my @files = <$indir/[0-9]*.cf>; >>which tells me that mass-check is reading my u

Re[2]: [SAtalk] Multiple CF Files & Performance

2004-01-02 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tim, Friday, January 2, 2004, 8:50:09 PM, you wrote: TB> I would share my custom rules.. but alas against those here, mine are TB> mostly worthless and adjust scores down because of "complaints" What do they say about one man's meat? How well

Re: [SAtalk] Multiple CF Files & Performance

2004-01-02 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Evans, Thursday, January 1, 2004, 3:10:09 PM, you wrote: EM> I recently split out my CF file into multiple files. EM> Ex. whitelist.cf, blacklist.cf, bigevil.cf, evilrules.cf, etc. EM> Will this noticably degrade system performance? I believe that SA parses all such files at start-up, and

Re: [SAtalk] Re: mass-check and hit-frequencies help needed

2004-01-01 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Bryan, Wednesday, December 31, 2003, 11:14:25 PM, you wrote: BH> Bryan Hoover wrote: >> > perl ./mass-check -c ./spamassassin -j 1 --loghits --mid --mbox ./corpus.ham/* >> > >ham.log >> > perl ./mass-check -c ./spamassassin -j 1 --loghits --mid --mbox ./corpus.spam/* >> > >spam.log >> >

Re: [SAtalk] spamc output different from spamassassin?

2003-12-31 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Daniel, Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 1:28:29 PM, you wrote: DE> I recently added some personal rules to my user_prefs and tested them DE> by running a few mail messages through spamassassin. They seem to DE> work fine, but I'm still getting the spam and the rules aren't getting DE> trigger

Re[2]: [SAtalk] user vs local prefs

2003-12-31 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello pjh, Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 3:24:01 PM, you wrote: p> Is it true then, that if I do not use sa-learn, that p> no Bayesian filtering occurs? No, it is not true. Bayesian filtering will take place if a) the option is on by default or specifically in *.cf or user_prefs, and b) at least

[SAtalk] mass-check and hit-frequencies help needed

2003-12-31 Thread Robert Menschel
I'm hoping someone can help me with mass-check, or more specifically with hit-frequencies. I've installed Cygwin on my W/XP-H box. Within Cygwin I've installed SA, not to use for mail filtering (that happens on my servers), but specifically for mass-check. Directory structure: C:\cygwin /hom

Re: [SAtalk] Personalization and refinement of SA for newish user...

2003-12-30 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Gordon, Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 1:20:30 AM, you wrote: GR> (1) If I want to add new rules, such as Jennifer's "Popcorn" etc rules that GR> someone kindly pointed me to, should I put them into my GR> .spamassassin/user_prefs file? (I am not root). Is there an "include" GR> mechanism for

Re[2]: [SAtalk] remove markup question and bayes question

2003-12-28 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Simon, Sunday, December 28, 2003, 7:51:15 PM, you wrote: >> No. You *do* need a minimum of 200 hams. The reason behind this is >> that for Bayes to work, it needs to know *both* what spam looks like >> *and* what ham looks like so it can tell the difference. >> >> But yes, it is best to

Re: [SAtalk] Some spam getting very low scores despite consistently using sa-learn

2003-12-28 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Ricardo, Saturday, December 27, 2003, 11:16:44 AM, you wrote: RK> I sent a message last week but I guess for some reason it didn't get RK> properly distributed, maybe because I attached a tarball with some RK> copies of the spam messages. Could be. The sourceforge list system has a relati

[SAtalk] Re: [RD] Offered Rules

2003-12-27 Thread Robert Menschel
In addition to the body rules I offered earlier today, here are some URI rules that look as if they would be beneficial in the distribution set. Please look over and test the following rules, and let me know if they work for you. Use your own scoring -- my scores tend to be high, since I use a 9.

[SAtalk] [RD] Offered Rules

2003-12-27 Thread Robert Menschel
Last month I offered some header rules for possible inclusion in a future distribution. Those that passed muster have been formally submitted via bugzilla. I've now completed review of my "body phrase" rule set, and feel they're ready for similar review. Please look over and test the following ru

Re: [SAtalk] message body consists of random words.

2003-12-24 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Clive, Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 8:09:42 AM, you wrote: CD> I am receiving several spam messages daily in which the message body appears CD> to consist entirely of random words. Check again, and I think you'll find that the message has nothing to do with those random words. The messag

Re: [SAtalk] FW: VJ, the world from

2003-12-22 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Jennifer, Monday, December 22, 2003, 2:32:45 PM, you wrote: JF> I am so sick of these spam emails but not sure how to stop them. Could JF> anyone give me any guidance? I am currently using sa 2.55 and planning JF> to upgrade to 2.61 next week. The rules I'm using (2.60, should work OK in

Re: [SAtalk] new spamming techniques are flooding me. Any suggestions?

2003-12-18 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello mairhtin, Thursday, December 18, 2003, 12:09:40 PM, you wrote: m> I am getting a new flood of spam that appears not to be even m> selling anything, but merely trying to get through the filters. m> Could they be trying to "learn" from this? I don't see how, but m> someone suggested as muc

Re: [SAtalk] Test hit results report or log

2003-12-17 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Chris, Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 9:34:48 PM, you wrote: CA> Is there a way to get a report or log of the test CA> results hits that spamassasin finds. ... I've begun to do something like this using the mass-check functionality within SA's ma

Re: [SAtalk] DCC, Razor rbl checks only when necessary?

2003-12-15 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Robert, Sunday, December 14, 2003, 11:25:06 PM, you wrote: RN> ie. is there a way to conditionally do those offsite checks only if RN> they are necessary? RN> ie. my current score is less than required_hits? You might want a variation on my mechanism. I'm stuck with user_prefs here, and d

Re: [SAtalk] Some help with spam filtering.

2003-12-15 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Ryan, Monday, December 15, 2003, 12:03:34 AM, you wrote: RL> I have been assined the job to delete all incoming mail before it reaches the RL> mailboxes. ... Are you using procmail or something similar? Should be fairly simple to code a procmail script entry that sends everything to /dev/n

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