[SAtalk] Running SA

2002-10-08 Thread listuser
I'm preparing to roll out SA on another test box in preparation for a production installation soon. I'm testing it on another box because my first test box is testing way to many different (but related things right now). My current test install is Sendmail 8.12.6 Procmail 3.22 SpamAssassin 2.4

Re: [SAtalk] SPAM related, but not SPAMASSASSIN question

2002-10-08 Thread listuser
One of the many reasons I never put an A record on a domain name. I had a hell of a conversion at an ISP I consult with when they moved from a one server to many server setup. Previously they'd advertised domain.tld for *everything*; MX, www, POP, SMTP, you name it. Everything was domain.tld. T

Re: [SAtalk] spamd log to mrtg

2002-10-08 Thread listuser
Rich, I have a suggestion for your scripts that would make the grepping far less CPU intensive in my experience. With your current setup your grepping the entire file at each running. I use the logtail part of the logcheck package to keep tabs on appenging log files. logtail records an offset

RE: [SAtalk] SPAM related, but not SPAMASSASSIN question

2002-10-10 Thread listuser
I haven't found it yet. I'm pretty sure the discussion against it was in O'Reilly's "TCP/IP Network Administration". I've browsed through it in my spare time and didn't find it. The worst problem with this is when users don't know you, say FTP server's address and give domain.tld a whirl. It m

Re: [SAtalk] "Good" email clients

2002-10-10 Thread listuser
I'm not the Justin you're trying to talk to but I have an opinion on this anyhow. :) I'mm strongly against giving a postive score to ANY mail client. I'm against positive scores in general really. They just open more doors for spammers to abuse. Everytime one of them finds a new little trick l

Re: [SAtalk] "Good" email clients

2002-10-10 Thread listuser
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:53:15AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > increase in spam. Positive scores are flawed IMHO. > > I'm going to stay out of the discussion (for now at least), but I just > want to inform people that they're using incorrect

[SAtalk] Consistency between releases

2002-10-13 Thread listuser
Can anyone give me any ideas why SA is so inconsistent between different releases? For example I picked a spam to test a new installation of SA with. It had scored over 10 on a previous install. When the message arrived on my new box, it was scored at only 8.4. I downgraded to 2.40 and tried i

Re: [SAtalk] Consistency between releases

2002-10-14 Thread listuser
On 13 Oct 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Can anyone give me any ideas why SA is so inconsistent between different > > releases? For example I picked a spam to test a new installation of SA > > with. It had scored over 10 on a previous install. When the message >

Re: [SAtalk] SA score in subject?

2002-10-14 Thread listuser
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Mike Schrauder wrote: > If I wanted to change the subject of spam to say *SPAM=14.3* instead of > *SPAM* site wide, is that possible? Is there a way to use the score as a >variable in a config file? > Where would I set up the way the subject gets altered by

Re: [SAtalk] SA feature/idea?

2002-10-14 Thread listuser
I heard of a similar idea a while back. The nice thing about it is that it avoided all possible legal problems. It also consumed some resources on your MTA but it is surely doable. The trick was that as soon as you've identified that the message is spam during you MTA's conversation, slow the c

Re: [SAtalk] SA performance information

2002-10-15 Thread listuser
One thing I always do on my MTAs that use DNSBls is only use zone transfers of blacklists on my DNS server. I currently use 7 DNSBls from Sendmail, only 2 commercial lists. That brings the total DNS queries for each message to around 10. Now I don't deal with tons of mail per day, compared to s

Re: [SAtalk] spamc && !spamd

2002-10-16 Thread listuser
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 09:47:52AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, why did I get SpamAssassin headers when I didn't have spamd running? > > The answer is that it's being scanned elsewhere. For instance, I > receive mails (currently ~4% of my

Re: [SAtalk] More granular reporting on unflagged Spam available?

2002-10-16 Thread listuser
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Tim Provencio wrote: > Is there a way to add the scores to the tests that were done? For example, > in the following it does report the number of hits the required and the test > but is it possible to display the score of each test similar to as it does > in the case of Spam

RE: [SAtalk] spamd log to mrtg

2002-10-12 Thread listuser
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Jonathan Nichols wrote: > > > > > > Rich's idea is pretty cool, and I have it running > > > here: http://dumpster.pbp.net/~mrtg/spam/ > > > > > > However, the count just keeps growing.. I'm not quite sure what to make of > > > the graphs. :-) > > > > Remove 'gauge' from the o

RE: [SAtalk] What happened? hits 5.6 but not spam?

2002-10-17 Thread listuser
Or a spammers adds a Received line that makes it appears as if the message was relayed through bondedsender.com. Easily done. To the best of my knowledge, I think DNSBl lookups are only done on the IP communicating with your MTA. That's what I've always experienced with the DNSBls I use from Sen

RE: [SAtalk] What happened? hits 5.6 but not spam?

2002-10-17 Thread listuser
Interesting. I wouldn't have expected SA to do that. It makes me wonder if that's really a good thing. The last (most recent) Received line is usually the only one you can trust (unless you have a anti-virus or pure email gateway ahead of your primary MTA). Beyond that they are to be taken with

RE: [SAtalk] Consistency between releases

2002-10-17 Thread listuser
I'm using this on a test box at the moment. SPAM_DIR=/var/mail/spool/quarantine/spam LOGFILE=/tmp/spam.log :0c { :0: * ^X-Spam-Score: \*\*\*\*\*.* $SPAM_DIR } The checks a copy of each message and dumps it into $SPAM_DIR if it matches >= 5. In the end I'll make this >= 10

RE: [SAtalk] Consistency between releases

2002-10-18 Thread listuser
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Kenneth Chen wrote: > Hey Justin: > > Thanks for your answer! I'm curious about something else, though: does > your procmail recipe say (in words) "Take whatever has 5 stars OR more and > pipe it to /dev/null?" I'm wondering about that last part with the *.*. That's what t

Re: [SAtalk] Nigerian spam scores 3.1 in SA 2.43?

2002-10-18 Thread listuser
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 01:52:31PM -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: > > The Nigerian scam rules need a serious revisiting. These spams are mutating > > to avoid the high-scoring rules, and the "general" rules like > > NIGERIAN_TRANSACTION1 hit a modest amo

Re: [SAtalk] Message not SPAM; score is 5.3 :-/

2002-10-20 Thread listuser
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Jeremy Kister wrote: > > Just autowhitelist the guy. In your ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs (or > > wherever your user_prefs file is located), add this line: > > I run SpamAssassin over vpopmail on qmail1.03.. Not only do white lists not > work on an individual popbox, but i wou

Re: [SAtalk] Message not SPAM; score is 5.1 :-/

2002-10-20 Thread listuser
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Mike Burger wrote: > Well, since most people I know aren't stupid enough to type their email in > all caps, I don't have to worry about those getting flagged as spam. > > If you've got people who email you in that manner, you might want to > remind them that doing so is aki

Re: [SAtalk] hoax

2002-10-24 Thread listuser
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Wednesday 23 October 2002 11:56 pm, Tony Johansson wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does spamassassin protect against hoaxes? > > It has some rules to detect Nigerian type scams, though it's been less > effective at that recently since they've been mutatin

Re: Re. [SAtalk] how to reduce CPU useage. 70,000 users - Gettingspikes on CPU

2002-10-24 Thread listuser
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all, > > My goal today is to get this filtering working on my 4 mail servers. > Just a summary of my situation. I dont know if anyone is using this is a heavy > production environment ( I assume so ) but I am running 4 Quad Xeon servers (1 > G

Re: [SAtalk] Multimedia Design at 5$ per hour

2002-10-25 Thread listuser
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[SAtalk] "remove me" servers in the body

2002-10-24 Thread listuser
Would it be worthwhile to write a rule to catch messages that contain mail with the common "go to this server to be removed" domains like these? businessinfo-center.com technostor.com 81832.com autoemailremoval.com removeyou.com worldremove.com removeregister.com listwasher.org theremovelist.org v

Re: [SAtalk] Is Razor making me think that I was compromised?

2002-10-21 Thread listuser
This is a bad choice for a port IMHO. Frankly every firewall I set up (and have seen up close) blocks tcp/udp 1-19. Those services have no purpose on the Internet at large IMHO. They are plagued with security issues and under-maintained source projects. I wonder if Razor will fail if tcp/7 is b

Re: [SAtalk] End user options that would be useful

2002-10-21 Thread listuser
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, William H. Haller wrote: > Could PORN_WORDS be pulled out of the main distribution to a separate > file that could be checked for on upgrade and not written over? I don't imagine that would be a possibility but I really can't that with any certainty. However I wonder if it w

[SAtalk] Reporting FPs

2002-11-24 Thread listuser
Could someone remind me where I can report FPs to? These would be messages scored over 5 that aren't spam. I had an interesting one last night. :) Justin --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgee

[SAtalk] Altering the report

2002-12-07 Thread listuser
I need to remove a sentence from the report SA generates. Specifically the part about "This mail is probably spam.". Apparently it's confusing some of my users. I'm using MIMEDefang as the milter glue but unfortunately can't find a way to remove that line there. Is there any way to do this from

Re: [SAtalk] Altering the report

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you are running version 2.31 (under linux), the change you need to make > is in the following file: > > /usr/share/spamassassin/10_misc.cf > > on line 12 it states: > > report This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered >

Re: [SAtalk] Altering the report

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Mike Leone wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) had this to say on 12/07/02 >at 20:06: > > I need to remove a sentence from the report SA generates. Specifically > > the part about "This mail is probably spam.". Apparently it's confusing > > some of my users. I'm

Re: [SAtalk] Updated DailyPromotions / HSM rules

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > > Patrick Bores said: > > > I have noticed that most of the NS records for these spammers are the > > same or similar. Would it be too expensive to do a quick lookup of NS > > records to block these guys? > > no, I don't think so -- it sounds like a v

Re: [SAtalk] Hi-Speed-Mail and its ilk

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Mike Burger wrote: > If we're looking at methods to deal with HSM and its ilk, AdPro should > also be added to the list, if it's not, already. Seems that they're using > the same tactics as HSM, containing their spam in an image file rather > than in text. For what it's wo

Re: [SAtalk] Hi-Speed-Mail and its ilk

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Mike Burger wrote: > I'm already doing that, myself. But they register so many domains > that it's sometimes hard to keep up with the list. > > Out of curiosity..I've been rejecting with a code of 550...what's the > difference between 550 and 553? They both have specific

Re: [SAtalk] Automatic notification to spammers?

2002-12-08 Thread listuser
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > With regard to section B, above, is there currently a recognized automatic > notification by sendmail or other MTAs that spam is not accepted? I make it clear in my HELO string that UCE isn't welcome on my servers. Spammers don't read bounces or

Re: [SAtalk] Automatic notification to spammers?

2002-12-09 Thread listuser
It's a basic banner. There's no other place to stick it. Perhaps a generic telnet banner would also suffice (which is highly recommended by just about every security book/whitepaper out there. By putting it in the HELO string and saying about "by continuing the connection you signify consent" I

[SAtalk] Enabling/adding DNSBLs and local.cf possibilities

2003-01-08 Thread listuser
Howdy all. Could someone give me some insight on how to add additional DNSBLs? I see the DNSBL lines in 20_head_tests.cf and would like to add to that but I don't want my changes to be overwritten upon upgrade. IIRC this is where /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf comes in. However let me through

Re: [SAtalk] NAI did not buy SpamAssassin!

2003-01-10 Thread listuser
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Barry Jaspan wrote: > Everyone, please calm down! > > The amount of confusion on this list is staggering. One very important > point that many people seem to be missing: > > Network Associates did *not* buy SpamAssassin! > > NAI bought Deersoft, Inc. Deersoft develops and

Re: [SAtalk] RE: OT: Dynamically updating /etc/mail/access

2003-01-10 Thread listuser
I have a very large list of spammers' domains and netblocks as well as pro-spam ISPs (like Broadwing). Just yesterday I was working on a script to recombine multiple files into a full access list so I could move the RELAY, OK, SPAMFRIEND, and my 553 Spammer's stick it lines into seperate files. T