[spring] Re: WG Adoption Call for draft-bdmgct-spring-srv6-security

2024-08-07 Thread Ron Bonica
Chairs, This is an important document. I support its adoption. = Dear WG: This message starts a two-week adoption call for ddraft-bdmgct-spring-srv6-security, ending on August/19. From the Abstract: This document discusses security considerations

Re: [spring] [EXTERNAL] Re: Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-28 Thread Ron Bonica
, March 27, 2024 11:48 AM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Tom Herbert ; spring@ietf.org ; Alvaro Retana ; Robert Raszuk ; Stewart Bryant ; Andrew Alston - IETF Subject: Re: [spring] [EXTERNAL] Re: Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I think

Re: [spring] [EXTERNAL] Re: Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-27 Thread Ron Bonica
Sasha, Are we in violent agreement ? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Alexander Vainshtein Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:44 AM To: Stewart Bryant ; Andrew Alston - IETF Cc: Tom Herbert ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-27 Thread Ron Bonica
ednesday, March 27, 2024 9:01 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Antoine FRESSANCOURT ; Tom Herbert Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; spring@ietf.org ; Robert Raszuk ; Alvaro Retana Subject: Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content] 100% agree w

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-27 Thread Ron Bonica
. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Antoine FRESSANCOURT Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:42 AM To: Andrew Alston - IETF ; Tom Herbert ; Ron Bonica Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; spring@ietf.org ; Robert Raszuk

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-27 Thread Ron Bonica
7:52 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; spring@ietf.org ; Andrew Alston - IETF ; Robert Raszuk ; Alvaro Retana Subject: Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content] On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 4:03 PM Ron Bonica wrote

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-26 Thread Ron Bonica
Business Use Only From: Alexander Vainshtein Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 4:24 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org ; Andrew Alston - IETF ; Robert Raszuk ; Tom Herbert ; Alvaro Retana Subject: Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-26 Thread Ron Bonica
From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:24 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Tom Herbert ; Alvaro Retana ; Andrew Alston - IETF ; spring@ietf.org ; Joel Halpern Subject: Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-26 Thread Ron Bonica
1:56 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org ; Andrew Alston - IETF ; Robert Raszuk ; Tom Herbert ; Alvaro Retana Subject: RE: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron and all, I respectfully disagree with the propos

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-26 Thread Ron Bonica
s Use Only From: Tom Herbert Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 3:40 PM To: Alvaro Retana Cc: Robert Raszuk ; Andrew Alston - IETF ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org ; Joel Halpern Subject: Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11 [External Email. Be cautious of content] On M

Re: [spring] Chair Review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-11

2024-03-25 Thread Ron Bonica
Andrew, Tom Herbert (copied on this message) raised the same issue regarding another draft on the 6man mailing list a few months ago. I suggested that if this problem ever needed to be solved, it could be solved with a new Hob-by-hop option. This option would contain the IPv6 address of the ul

Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2024-02-06 Thread Ron Bonica
ion in your draft. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Tal Mizrahi Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 9:46 AM To: Andrew Alston - IETF Cc: Antoine FRESSANCOURT ; Robert Raszuk ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compr

Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2024-02-05 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, Has anyone proposed a solution to the L4 checksum problem that Andrew talks about? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring on behalf of Andrew Alston - IETF Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 5:21 AM To: sprin

Re: [spring] A review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-08

2023-09-21 Thread Ron Bonica
Adrian, You say, " b. draft-ietf-spring-compression-requirement has expired and perhaps the WG intends it to fade away now that this draft is close to completion." As a co-author, I think that draft-ietf-spring-compression-requirement should be allowed to fade away. It has received

Re: [spring] [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt

2023-04-05 Thread Ron Bonica
To: Tony Przygienda Cc: Ron Bonica ; Krzysztof Szarkowicz ; Kireeti Kompella ; spring@ietf.org; int-a...@ietf.org; Andrew Alston - IETF Subject: Re: [Int-area] [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt [External Email. Be cautious of content

Re: [spring] [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt

2023-03-31 Thread Ron Bonica
On second thought, if we had the new ethertype, we wouldn’t need the new /16! They serve the same function Ron From: Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 1:05 PM To: Krzysztof Szarkowicz ; Kireeti Kompella Cc: Adrian

Re: [spring] [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt

2023-03-31 Thread Ron Bonica
+1 If we allocate a /16 for SRv6 USIDs, as proposed in https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-6man-sids-02.txt, we can allow that prefix only when the new ethertype is used. Ron From: spring On Behalf Of Krz

Re: [spring] uSID and destination options

2021-11-17 Thread Ron Bonica
carry the flag, tag and TLV fields Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:27 PM To: Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6...@ietf.org Subject: Re: uSID and destination options [External Emai

Re: [spring] A question for draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark

2021-11-17 Thread Ron Bonica
You don't need anything else. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Tianran Zhou Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:08 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Tom Herbert Cc: draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-m...@ietf.org; spr

Re: [spring] uSID and destination options

2021-11-16 Thread Ron Bonica
arren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:31 AM To: Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6...@ietf.org Subject: Re: uSID and destination options [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, my read of section 4.1.1 of the draft is the dest opt in your example packet would be process

Re: [spring] A question for draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark

2021-11-16 Thread Ron Bonica
Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Tianran Zhou Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:03 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Tom Herbert Cc: draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-m...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Subject: RE: [spring] A question for draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-m

Re: [spring] A question for draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark

2021-11-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, The SRH TLV for Alternate Marking isn't needed because its meaning is identical to the AltMark Option when it appears in a Destination Options Header that precedes the SRH. Arguments regarding the HBH are orthogonal to this issue. The HBH is processed at every node along a packet's de

[spring] uSID and destination options

2021-11-15 Thread Ron Bonica
C-SID authors, Consider an SRv6 packet that contains: * An outer IPv6 header * A Destination Options Header * IPv4 payload The packet does not contain an SRH. However, the Destination Address field in the outer IPv6 header contains a C-SID container and the C-SID container contai

Re: [spring] "This solution does not require any SRH data plane change" in draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-26 Thread Ron Bonica
. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 4:10 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: John Scudder ; draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compress...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] "This solution does not require any SRH data plane change"

Re: [spring] "This solution does not require any SRH data plane change" in draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-26 Thread Ron Bonica
Robert, Which requirement was that? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 3:41 PM To: John Scudder Cc: draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compress...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [

Re: [spring] CSID proposed clarifications

2021-10-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Authors, Could you update the draft to reflect the new pseudocode, below. It is essential to the 6man review. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Th

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-11 Thread Ron Bonica
Jim, Before accepting this document, we might want to discuss why the NEXT-C-SID behavior and the REPLACE-C-SID behavior are both needed. Even if there are use cases in which one performs slightly better than the other, it the performance improvement really worth all of the additional complexit

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-11 Thread Ron Bonica
- From: Tom Herbert Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 8:48 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Brian E Carpenter ; Robert Raszuk ; 6MAN <6...@ietf.org>; SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02 [External Email. Be cautious of content] On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:14

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-11 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, It is much more simple than this. According to RFC 8200, an IPv6 Destination Address is the “128-bit address of the intended recipient of the packet (possibly not the ultimate recipient, if a Routing header is present). See [RFC4291] and Section 4.4.” Therefore, if a packet does not con

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-07 Thread Ron Bonica
Inline [RB] Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Eduard Metz Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:03 AM To: Ron Bonica Cc: 6...@ietf.org; SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Can the SID be

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-07 Thread Ron Bonica
uot; The WG needs to determine whether the requirements that register a difference are significant. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Ahmed Bashandy Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:21 PM To: Ron Bonica ; James Guich

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-07 Thread Ron Bonica
Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 11:58 PM To: Robert Raszuk ; Ron Bonica Cc: James Guichard ; SPRING WG ; spring-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for htt

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-06 Thread Ron Bonica
Ahmed, I don't recall the DT recommending the CSID. In fact, the word "recommend" does not appear anywhere in the analysis document. As a member of the DT, I don't recommend CSID. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: s

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-05 Thread Ron Bonica
) Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 2:58 PM To: Ron Bonica ; James Guichard ; SPRING WG Cc: spring-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/ [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I believe your

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-rv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-05 Thread Ron Bonica
Jim, The call for adoption has already been posted. There is no way to put that toothpaste back into its tube. However, I strongly recommend against such calls for adoption in the future. Normally, the authors of a document are encouraged to answer technical questions as a condition of adoptio

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-05 Thread Ron Bonica
sn't represent a single thing on a single node. It represents an entire SR path. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 4:35 PM To: 6...@ietf.org Cc: SPRING WG Subject: draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compressio

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-05 Thread Ron Bonica
Pablo, The WG has expressed a strong preference for having a single compression *behavior*. Why is it OK to ignore that preference because RFC 8986 has 36 different behaviors? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-04 Thread Ron Bonica
? Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:05 PM To: Tony Przygienda Cc: Ron Bonica ; 6...@ietf.org

Re: [spring] [srcomp] compression analysis draft question on proposals analyzed

2021-10-04 Thread Ron Bonica
And more specifically, all of the tables in Section A.2 will be modified, replacing the C-SID column with one column for NEXT-C-SID, one column for REPLACE-C-SID, and one column for NEXT-AND-REPLACE-C-SID Ron Juniper Business Use

Re: [spring] CSID Question

2021-10-04 Thread Ron Bonica
Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: liu.ai...@zte.com.cn Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 9:03 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: rob...@raszuk.net; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re:[spring] CSID Question [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, You raised an

Re: [spring] CSID Question

2021-10-02 Thread Ron Bonica
it ? Now I am going to rest assured and enjoy the rest of this show. Best, Robert On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 10:58 PM Ron Bonica mailto:rbon...@juniper.net>> wrote: Robert, I do remember that quote. And that is exactly why I ask the question! If NEXT-C-SID and REPLACE-C-SID are incomp

Re: [spring] CSID Question

2021-10-01 Thread Ron Bonica
. Ron P.S. Rest assured that I have read the draft. However, your concern is greatly appreciated 😉 Juniper Business Use Only From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 4:32 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: SPRING WG Subject

[spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02

2021-10-01 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, Draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02 introduces three new SID types that can occupy the Destination Address field of an IPv6 header. See Sections 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3 of the draft for details. The SPRING WG has issued a call for adoption for this draft. It is not clear that t

[spring] CSID Question

2021-10-01 Thread Ron Bonica
CSID Authors, Assume that an SR path contains segments 1 through 8. Segments 1, 3, 5, and 7 are END SIDs that use Next-C-SID (i.e., uSID). Segments 2, 4, and 6 are END SIDs that use Replace-C-SID. Segment 8 is and END.DX4 SID. Please provide an example that shows us: * What the SRH looks

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2021-10-01 Thread Ron Bonica
Chairs, I strongly object to the adoption of this draft. I also note that this is a very strange adoption call. The WG has indicated a preference for a single forwarding plane behavior. However, bullets #1 and #4 in the Call for Adoption suggest that the WG has yet to address whether the draft

Re: [spring] Thoughts on optimality

2021-09-29 Thread Ron Bonica
Tony, Thanks for pointing out that all requirements are not equally important. Some may be extremely important while others are minimally important. Therefore, our analysis should focus on the important requirements. I agree that Encapsulation Header Size is the most important requirement. I a

Re: [spring] draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02#section-4.1.1

2021-09-24 Thread Ron Bonica
Gyan, You raise a very good point. In the analysis document, Tables 1 through 6 and Tables 12 through 15 each contain only one column for the CSID. They do not indicate whether the number in that column were calculated using the NEXT-C-SID, REPLACE-C-SID, or NEXT-AND-REPLACE-C-SID. (That is, th

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis

2021-09-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Dhruv, My hope is that the WG will consider each requirement in Appendix A, taking one of the following actions for each: * Drop the requirement * Move the requirement into the main body of the text * Modify the requirement and move it into the main body of the text Each item eithe

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis

2021-09-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Dhruv, You raise a very good question. What makes us think that the largest network diameter is 16? Next year, it may be 32! Maybe we need to rethink this requirement. An IPv6 routing header can contain no more than 2,048 bytes. Therefore, an SRH without compression can support an SR path that

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis

2021-09-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Dhruv, Thanks for you review and support. Does the change below (inline) address your first comment? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:56 PM To: bruno.decra...@orange.com

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis

2021-09-13 Thread Ron Bonica
Bruno, Thanks. This clears up the confusion. I support adoption. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 5:50 AM To: Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt

Re: [spring] WG Adoption call - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement - draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis

2021-09-10 Thread Ron Bonica
Bruno, When a WG adopts a design team draft, I assume that the draft becomes subject to the following guidelines from RFC7221: "Once a working group adopts a draft, the document is owned by the working group and can be changed however the working group decides, within the bounds of IETF proces

Re: [spring] SRv6 compression

2021-08-03 Thread Ron Bonica
Tony, Thanks for these wise words! It is time for the WG to consider the DT output and make an informed decision based on best technical reasoning, not current popularity, deployment or market share. IMHO, the requirements and analysis documents are not a ringing endorsement for any particular

Re: [spring] SRv6 SID List compression

2021-07-27 Thread Ron Bonica
al numbers? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:13 PM To: SPRING WG Cc: Ron Bonica Subject: Re: [spring] SRv6 SID List compression

Re: [spring] SRv6 SID List compression

2021-07-26 Thread Ron Bonica
Gyan, The design team was not chartered to select a winner. It was chartered to provide input to the WG. AFAIKS, the WG still has the following tasks before it: * To determine whether the all candidate solutions are compliant with existing BCP and PS drafts (particularly RFC 4291) * T

[spring] The deferred compression requirement

2021-07-26 Thread Ron Bonica
Chairs, The design team did not consider whether the candidate compression schemes comply with existing BCP and PS drafts. We agreed that the WG would take up this issue after the design team completed its work. I think that there is a question as to whether the CSID solution complies with RFC

Re: [spring] operator requirements for draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requirement

2021-04-21 Thread Ron Bonica
Martin, In Section 4.2.4 (Metric), you say: > Metric: The compression mechanism fits into existing IPv6 address > structures. It does not require management of a new kind of number > resource that needs to be coordinated for all network domains that are > potentially involved. Does this

Re: [spring] [Srcomp] New drafts from SRCOMP design team

2021-03-02 Thread Ron Bonica
Rishabh, Is Section 2 of the SR replication segment draft compliant with Section 2.7 of RFC 4291? Could it be brought into compliance by using the high order 16 bits that RFC 4291 recommends? Ron Juniper Business Use

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

2021-02-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Hi Gyan, In theory, it should map any END.DTM to any MPLS label stack, regardless of the control plane. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Gyan Mishra Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 12:18 AM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Jeff

[spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-03.txt

2021-02-12 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, The draft has been updated to address comments. Ron Juniper Business Use Only > -Original Message- > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:53 PM > To: Greg Mirsky ; Peng Shaofu &g

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

2021-02-12 Thread Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:55 AM To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: Loa Andersson ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron This is an interesting SR-MPLS to SRv6

[spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-02.txt

2021-02-09 Thread Ron Bonica
g Mirsky ; Peng Shaofu > ; Ron Bonica ; Shaofu Peng > ; Shraddha Hegde ; EXT- > zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-02.txt > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > A new version of I-D, draft-bonica-s

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

2021-02-09 Thread Ron Bonica
: Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, I think this new SRv6 endpoint behavior is very useful to connect an SRv6 island and an SR-MPLS island. I have two comments

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

2021-02-09 Thread Ron Bonica
entry." Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Loa Andersson Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:51 PM To: Jeff Tantsura ; Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

[spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-spring-srv6-end-dtm-01.txt

2021-02-07 Thread Ron Bonica
Please review and comment Juniper Business Use Only > -Original Message- > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:41 AM > To: Greg Mirsky ; Peng Shaofu > ; Ron Bonica ; Shaofu Peng > ; Shraddha Hegde ; EXT- > zhang.zh...@zte.com.cn &

Re: [spring] PSP and USP uN Flavors

2020-09-11 Thread Ron Bonica
Pablo, Assume the following packet: * Destination address is a uSID container * Next header is an SRH In this case, you wouldn't process the SRH until you process every uSID in the uSID container. Do I have this much right? So, if any uSID in the container specified the PSP or USP fla

Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths

2020-07-30 Thread Ron Bonica
+1 Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Alexander Vainshtein Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:07 AM To: bruno.decra...@orange.com Cc: draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pa...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-p

Re: [spring] New Version Notification for draft-dukes-spring-srv6-overhead-analysis-00.txt

2020-06-30 Thread Ron Bonica
created a new data plane? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Vasilenko Eduard Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 3:21 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; SPRING WG Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-dukes-spring

Re: [spring] New Version Notification for draft-dukes-spring-srv6-overhead-analysis-00.txt

2020-06-29 Thread Ron Bonica
s Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 9:33 PM To: Ron Bonica ; SPRING WG Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-dukes-spring-srv6-overhead-analysis-00.txt [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron. Thanks for reading the document. You say about section 5:

Re: [spring] New Version Notification for draft-dukes-spring-srv6-overhead-analysis-00.txt

2020-06-27 Thread Ron Bonica
Darren, Your draft purports to be an "SRv6 Network Programming Overhead Analysis". As such, it should address overhead analysis and avoid: * Topics that are orthogonal to overhead analysis * The appearance of attempting to position one compression strategy over another for reasons oth

Re: [spring] Spring SR question??

2020-06-23 Thread Ron Bonica
to be enabled on the network. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Jeff Tantsura Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:30 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Gyan Mishra Cc: SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] Spring SR question?? [External Emai

Re: [spring] Spring SR question??

2020-06-23 Thread Ron Bonica
Gyan, You can signal SR-MPLS over a network that has IPv6 enabled, but does not have IPv4 enabled. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Gyan Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:20 PM To: SPRING WG Subject: [spring] Spr

Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment

2020-06-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Support. I would be willing to work on the draft. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 10:46 AM To: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-16 Thread Ron Bonica
: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:17 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Aijun Wang ; i...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH) [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron. The SID described in RFC8754 is fully described there. The SIDs in draft-ietf

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 6:04 PM To: Mark Smith Cc: Ron Bonica ; Aijun Wang ; spring@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Subject: Re: About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH) [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hey Mark, Thank you for presenting your house architectural perspective

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Robert, I wasn't aware that I was shooting. But, since it is 19:39 in my time zone, I might take a shot of Fernet Branca. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 5:31 PM To: Ron Bonic

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Robert, While this is an interesting question, it is orthogonal to the question that I posed to Darren. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:33 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Darren Dukes

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Darren, Does the SID described in RFC 8754 represent any of the SIDs in the Network Programming Draft? In any other document? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: ipv6 On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monda

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
ent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:10 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Aijun Wang ; i...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH) [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, Agreed ICMP is an upper-layer header that should be consistent with the SRv6-OAM draft

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Hi Jingrong, Where did you post the text? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:10 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Aijun Wang ; i...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: About the upper layer header processing in

Re: [spring] About the upper layer header processing in RFC8754(SRH)

2020-06-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Aijun, Jingrong, Could the upper-layer header also be ICMP, as in a ICMP Echo message? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: ipv6 On Behalf Of Xiejingrong (Jingrong) Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:29 PM To: Aijun Wang ; i...@ietf.org; spring@

Re: [spring] Leadership change

2020-06-14 Thread Ron Bonica
Congratulations to Jim and Joel. And thanks to Rob for his service. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Vigoureux Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 4:25 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc:

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-28 Thread Ron Bonica
Weibin, Inline….. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Wang, Weibin (NSB - CN/Shanghai) Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 10:35 AM To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Ron Bonica ; Joel M. Halpern Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [

Re: [spring] Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-28 Thread Ron Bonica
: Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: RE: Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: [spring] CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option? [External Email. Be cautious of content] Sometimes a known devil is better than an unkno

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-28 Thread Ron Bonica
. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:46 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Joel M. Halpern Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH [Ex

Re: [spring] Limited domains ...

2020-05-27 Thread Ron Bonica
w.als...@liquidtelecom.com ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Limited domains ... [External Email. Be cautious of content] On 28-May-20 10:39, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Maybe we should just drop right here this "limited domain" restriction/s

Re: [spring] Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-27 Thread Ron Bonica
not a grand architecture. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Zafar Ali (zali) Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 6:32 PM To: Brian E Carpenter ; Robert Raszuk ; ext-andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com Cc: Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6man

Re: [spring] Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-27 Thread Ron Bonica
...@liquidtelecom.com Cc: Ron Bonica ; Zafar Ali (zali) ; Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; Sander Steffann ; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: [spring] CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option? [Ex

Re: [spring] Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-27 Thread Ron Bonica
3:19 PM To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; Sander Steffann Cc: Mach Chen ; Ron Bonica ; Chengli (Cheng Li) ; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; spring@ietf.org; Zafar Ali (zali) Subject: Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: [spring] CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/

Re: [spring] What's the colour of the hat (was: Re: CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH)

2020-05-25 Thread Ron Bonica
, 2020 12:41 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; rtg-...@ietf.org Subject: What's the colour of the hat (was: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH) [snip] The slight hostility I detect in your replies, I suspect has more to d

Re: [spring] What's the colour of the hat (was: Re: CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH)

2020-05-25 Thread Ron Bonica
s.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:41 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; rtg-...@ietf.org Subject: What's the colour of the hat (was: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH) [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, [cha

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-25 Thread Ron Bonica
So that I will know whether I am allowed to reply. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Ole Troan Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:22 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: Sander Steffann ; Robert Raszuk ; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-25 Thread Ron Bonica
Ole, When commenting on list, could you indicate whether hats are on or off? Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: otr...@employees.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:31 AM To: Sander Steffann Cc: Robert Raszuk ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-25 Thread Ron Bonica
out SR. Some are actively averse to SRv6. All they want is a Routing header. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:21 AM To: Ron Bonica ;

Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-24 Thread Ron Bonica
ards, Cheng -Original Message- From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 11:09 AM To: Tom Herbert ; Brian E Carpenter Cc: spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option? Fol

Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-24 Thread Ron Bonica
Ketan, Please consider an operator who: - Wants a way to steer IPv6 packets through a specified path that includes many nodes (>8) - Does not want any of the following: - A new VPN encapsulation technique - A new service function chaining technique - Network programming

Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-24 Thread Ron Bonica
- From: Tom Herbert Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:56 PM To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: Robert Raszuk ; Ron Bonica ; spring@ietf.org; 6man <6...@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option? [External Email. Be cautious of content] On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:51 PM B

Re: [spring] Reply: RE: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-24 Thread Ron Bonica
. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:01 AM To: Ron Bonica ; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; spring Cc: spring Subject: Reply: RE: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint

Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-23 Thread Ron Bonica
Only From: Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:59 PM To: Ron Bonica ; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; spring@ietf.org Cc: spring@ietf.org Subject: RE: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option? [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, Thanks for your reply. Regarding NSH, a

Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-22 Thread Ron Bonica
Shuping, The CRH can appear in a packet along with any valid combination of extension headers. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: ipv6 On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:12 AM To: Ron Bonica

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