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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Jay Stough
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Room Design Method
Unfortunately I cannot use residential sprinklers. The sprinklers in the rooms
are extended cove
Unfortunately I cannot use residential sprinklers. The sprinklers in the
rooms are extended coverage 11.2K with 5.6K in the bathroom and closets. I
calced 2- 11.2 & 5- 5.6K sprinklers.
*Jay Stough*
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Matt Grise wrote:
> Room design
Room design seems applicable. Especially since you did an area density calc in
the spot that is causing concern. I suppose I see what he means: "all rooms"
could be interpreted as "every single room in the building".
You might also try the residential head calc (if you are using residential
he
, 2011 5:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Room Design Method
A key prerequisite to using the room design method is contained in
section
11.2.3.3.3 (2010) - the walls that define the perimeter of your design
area
must have a rating equal to the required water
A key prerequisite to using the room design method is contained in section
11.2.3.3.3 (2010) - the walls that define the perimeter of your design area
must have a rating equal to the required water-supply duration. In your
case (OH), that equates to a 60 or 90 minute rating. If you don't have
tha
Bob,
What's the hazard for the rest of the building?
What's the separation for the mech room?
If your calcing the entire OH area at 1347 can you use QRs and reduce the
design area relative to an A/D calc?
I'm afraid the picture I made in my head is probably not near what you
actually have.
On Wed
Seeing as how it sounds like the AHJ is not following 13 there is no way for
the forum to answer. Is it legal for the AHJ to specify this in the first
place? If so you'd have to ask the AHJ.
Chris
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My preliminary calculations worked out good with the delta flow not
exceeding more than 1.5gpm using 2.8k heads covering 74 sq ft each
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1.5Gpm from a 2.8K is less than 1 Psi, you'd still need to meet the 7 Psi
min. head pressure so even 2.8K heads would flow 7.41 Gpm+.
Thom McMahon, SET
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Ron,
I had reviewed 11.3.1.1 which addresses residential sprinklers but i
was trying to utilize quick responce because of the beam pocket
situation. The project is in Malibu, CA and there is no attic space
nor any crawl space. My preliminary calculations worked out good with
the delta flow
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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Room design method - Technical information
If these beams are not structural in nature, move them to meet the
requirements of T
Thom,
That was what I was thinking.
George,
Start with 11.3.1.1 in 2007. It's on the same page as Room Design
Method. I think though a head in each pocket and 13D is the best
solution. If you use 13 you'll need attic coverage, crawl space
coverage, garage coverage, concealed combustible space co
If these beams are not structural in nature, move them to meet the
requirements of TFP 490 pages 16 thru 18.
If they are structural and the building is not built yet, have the
structural engineer Move them to meet the above.
To change from a 13D to a 13 is really not advantageous. Changes from 0.0
en Shannon.
> QED Sprinkler Designs.
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There are many pockets that would require sprinklers in it and I am
trying to utilize the code for the best possible design ( not get
around it ). I have
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On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:
> I can't see the advantage of 13 room design over 13D unless you're
Ron,
Can you direct me to the code section in NFPA-13, 2007 residential
rules on design & calculations? I guess I missed something pretty big.
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On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:
> I can't see the advantage of 13 room design over 13D unless you're
> looking fo
using obstructed construction criteria).
Damien Shannon.
QED Sprinkler Designs.
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I can't see the advantage of 13 room design over 13D unless you're
looking for the better system. If it's the few extra heads because of
the beams I don't see how that can increase costs enough to warrant
the effort of trying to get around the rules. He chose the
architecture. If that requires more
We are talking about a residential occupancy still.
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On Jul 17, 2009, at 5:27 AM, wrote:
> Are we still talking about a residential occupancy?
>
> Lamar Vaughn
> Vaughn & Company
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> Damien Shannon wrote:
>> My understanding would be:
>> NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) wo
You are correct about the lot of ifs involved. I definately have the
pressure but am trying to keep the flow as minimal as possible to keep
the water meter as small as possible. The adjoining room on the 3rd
floor has 4 heads
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:33 PM, "Damien Shannon"
Are we still talking about a residential occupancy?
Lamar Vaughn
Vaughn & Company
Damien Shannon wrote:
> My understanding would be:
> NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) would allow 8' wide with a 8" lintel for light
> hazard Room design to be considered an unprotected opening. i.e. you could
>
Are we still talking about a residential occupancy?
Lamar Vaughn
Vaughn & Company
Damien Shannon wrote:
> My understanding would be:
> NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) would allow 8' wide with a 8" lintel for light
> hazard Room design to be considered an unprotected opening. i.e. you could
>
Are we still talking about a residential occupancy?
Lamar Vaughn
Vaughn & Company
Damien Shannon wrote:
> My understanding would be:
> NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) would allow 8' wide with a 8" lintel for light
> hazard Room design to be considered an unprotected opening. i.e. you could
>
My understanding would be:
NFPA 13, 2007, 11.2.3.3.5 (2) would allow 8' wide with a 8" lintel for light
hazard Room design to be considered an unprotected opening. i.e. you could
still use room design but would have to calc your 'design room' and 2
sprinklers in each of the communicating spaces (th
Yes, room design works on dry systems
At 04:24 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote:
I am working on a retrofit project (church) that is requiring a dry system.
I am looking at the using the room design method for my calcs. Is there any
reason that this will not work for a dry system? The only thing I
That's what I thought but I wanted to get other opinions.
Thanks,
Cliff
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Huggins
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Room design method
Yes. The walls contain the heat so the delay has no impact on the
number of heads involved. Thats why it says the increase does not
apply. IF it were intended to be restricted to wet pipe, it would
say so (such as with an ESFR system).
Roland
On Feb 21, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Cliff Whitfield
21, 2007 2:59 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Room design method
I agree. I'm just trying to see if it's okay to use the RDM with a dry
system. I was simply answering Craig's question when I described the
scenario in detail.
Cliff
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The area is chopped up with classrooms, bathrooms and
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Room design method
Just because 1950 sqft sill be more demanding than the largest room
doesn't mean you have to use 1950. There is no requirement to choose the
most demanding remote area method. If that makes
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The area is chopped up with classrooms, bathroom
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Where will the advantage come from using the room design method?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
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Where will the advantage come from using the room design method?
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