Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-04 Thread William P. Davis
Vance and all: You can find both of the Bridgewaters' books; "more" is listed from several sources in the 21-25$US range on: http://www.fetchbook.info/ I often do better than Amazon using this book search source (and it includes Amazon listings as well). Will Davis PS I wish that I was there, r

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Cole
At 9:24 AM -0400 9/4/04, Walt Swartz wrote: That might be a nice item for The Naples Depot to have on display. fwiw, if memory serves, there is a full-size cut-away at the chicago museum of science and industry that illustrates pistons and gear. \dmc -- ^^

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-04 Thread Vance Bass
Bob, good news and bad news: The good news is that the Levy book (the one I have) is readily available used for under $10. The bad news is that the Bridgewater book is readily available used for around $60, and the second volume ("More...") fetches about $100. If you had bought a hundred of the

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-04 Thread Cgnr
I found the books available thru Amazon.com. The title is: Making Mechanical Marvels out of Wood by Raymond Levy; cost is $14.95. Again, it's quite a delightful book, but I never did build any of the mechanisms. This is a great book if you ever decide to do any Automata sculptures. The othe

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-04 Thread Walt Swartz
Vance, That might be a nice item for The Naples Depot to have on display. It would be even better than a diagram because it would give a "hands-on" item for the visitors. Keep me in mind if you decide to go ahead with the project. Something about 12" x 18" would be good for public display and use.

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-03 Thread Keith Taylor
t; Keith Taylor - Original Message - From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Stephenson Valve Gear > I have been thinking lately that it would be coo

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-03 Thread Vance Bass
> There are two books published by Dover books that has designs of > mechanisms made from wood that actually operate. Bob, I tried to find them online, too, without success. If you happen upon the titles, maybe we'll track one down one of these days. Landon wrote: > Any thoughts as to size, ty

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-03 Thread Landon Solomon
That would absolutely interest me. I don't know that I could afford it anytime soon but that would be cool as... stuff... to have! Any thoughts as to size, type of gear, price point? Trot, the easily excited, fox... | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, | ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-03 Thread Cgnr
There are two books published by Dover books that has designs of mechanisms made from wood that actually operate. I looked for it in their store, but could not find it readily. I had the books and lost them in the fire; it did have the plans for making a hand cranked steam engine. They are ve

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-02 Thread Vance Bass
I have been thinking lately that it would be cool to design one of those hand-cranked valve gear models to laser-cut from wood. Is that something that would interest anyone else? best regards, -Vance- Vance Bass FH&PB Railroad Supply Co. 6933 Cherry Hills Loop NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 USA htt

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-02 Thread Keith Taylor
> Forget that, use Dockstader. Do you know that when designing a true > Walschearts gear from scratch there are over 50 variables to be chosen or > set and most of them affect all the others. It boggles the mind. Harry, Even with Dockstader, try to figure out what the heck you are watching

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-02 Thread Harry Wade
At 05:06 PM 9/1/04 -0400, you wrote: >Now, my turn! >If you can, the best way to begin to understand valve gears, is to sit >along side a model that has the gear in question, and gently move the >locomotive along the tracks, and while it slowly revolves, watch to see >what the different links and l

Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-02 Thread Harry Wade
At 11:17 PM 9/1/04 +0200, you wrote: >This is not quite correct. the original Stephenson valve gear consisted >of a loose eccentric and a driving collar and driving pin. Bert, I'm aware of that but whatever the actual origin we still call it by the name Stephenson and everyone

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-01 Thread Steve Shyvers
Thanks for piping up, Keith. Your recommendation to make a moving model from a book diagram is great one! And not at all confusing. I will do it this coming weekend and will make it BIG so I can see it. The samples of valve gear simulation graphic software that I have seen are commendable effor

Re[2]: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-01 Thread Bert & Edmunda
Harry et al. Stephenson valve gear. This is not quite correct. the original Stephenson valve gear consisted of a loose eccentric and a driving collar and driving pin. The "Stephenson" valve gear as we are referring to came about in 1842 when a Draughtsman named Williams Employed

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-01 Thread Keith Taylor
- Original Message - > Steve wrote: >I consulted a couple of ancient, dusty, and dog-earred tomes > >both of them had good diagrams but lacked sufficient explanatory text > Then Harry wrote: > I usually find the best old ones have such complex theories, > explanations, and diagra

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-09-01 Thread Harry Wade
At 08:46 PM 8/31/04 -0700, you wrote: >I consulted a couple of ancient, dusty, and dog-earred tomes, Harry, >both of them had good diagrams but lacked sufficient explanatory text Steve, I usually find the best old ones have such complex theories, explanations, and diagrams as to be overw

Stephenson valve gear

2004-09-01 Thread Gordon Watson
Steve, Both the Accucraft and Roundhouse valve gears are a single eccentric gear, using a slotted link for reversing, thier is no lap and no expansive working possible, notching up only shortens the valve travel and gives late admission and early closing.. This gear is fine for models whi

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Steve Shyvers
Mike, Keith, and Harry: Thank you for the quick response. I got curious after comparing the Stephenson valve gear on my Graham single vertical to the C-16's valve gear. I consulted a couple of ancient, dusty, and dog-earred tomes, Harry, both of them had good diagrams but lacked suffi

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Landon Solomon
From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <> "Without laborious study of the ancient texts (which I ain't about to do anytime soon) I can't say whether you are close or correct but IML&HO a single eccentric does not a Stephenson's gear make. I'd say that permutes it into something else but what I d

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Harry Wade
At 11:57 AM 8/31/04 -0400, you wrote: >[snip a "true" Stephenson's Link Motion ALWAYS has two eccentrics, >So, to make it short, if there is only one eccentric, it isn't Stephenson's >[snip] So unless you make an exhaustive study of valve gears, some can >be a bit difficult to identify. >Sincerely

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Keith Taylor
unless you make an exhaustive study of valve gears, some can be a bit difficult to identify. Sincerely Keith Taylor Jefferson Maine USA - Original Message - From: "Steve Shyvers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sen

Re: Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Mike Chaney
Steve asked:- > At the National Summer Steamup Jeff Williams was kind enough to let me > inspect the valve gear on his C-16. I had a question about why prototype > Stephenson valve gear had two eccentrics per cylinder that each drove > one end of the expansion link. The C-16

Stephenson Valve Gear

2004-08-31 Thread Steve Shyvers
At the National Summer Steamup Jeff Williams was kind enough to let me inspect the valve gear on his C-16. I had a question about why prototype Stephenson valve gear had two eccentrics per cylinder that each drove one end of the expansion link. The C-16 has only one eccentric per cylinder