Re: Cheddar Fule tanks and Valves

At 09:16 AM 7/11/04 -0700, Paul Gamlin wrote: Does any one have experience with Cheddar Fuel ( Butane and butane/ propane ) Tanks . It looks like they have a large tank with a diaphragm type regulator valve as opposed to a needle valve I am trying to make a Long Runing engine and am

Re: Cheddar Fule tanks and Valves

On 11/7/04 5:16 pm, "paul gamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does any one have experience with Cheddar Fuel ( Butane and butane/ > propane ) Tanks . It looks like they have a large tank with a diaphragm > type regulator valve as opposed to a needle valve I a

Cheddar Fule tanks and Valves

Does any one have experience with Cheddar Fuel ( Butane and butane/ propane ) Tanks . It looks like they have a large tank with a diaphragm type regulator valve as opposed to a needle valve I am trying to make a Long Runing engine and am wondering if this might be a possability for the

RE: Testing fuel tanks

Steve, I agree to a great part.  The fuel tanks can be purchased from Sulpher Springs, they would cost for the largest ones about $100.00.   I can't believe it would take that much engineering to produce on of these tanks as sugguested by some of the replys, safety of course is a prime f

RE: Testing fuel tanks

the most important part. Steve > -Original Message- > From: Daniel McGrath [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam > Subject: Re: Testing fuel tanks > > Hello Jeffrey, Seems to me you might wa

Re: Testing fuel tanks

Hello Jeffrey, Seems to me you might want to purchace a fuel tank from Cheddar or Roundhouse. Why reinvent the wheel, so to speak?  >From: "Peter Trounce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>&

Re: Testing fuel tanks

of 3 was only used for atomic reactors and other very carefully controlled constructions. Actually the ASME Code is not intended for designing things like our fuel tanks. Flat sides, silver brazing, brass, bronze, copper, threads, are hardly touched on. It was recognized that the yield strength

Re: Testing fuel tanks

Hi Thanks for the reference. > Jeffrey Williams wrote: [Big snip] And please, if you feel very confident in your own analytical ability, review a copy of the ASME Code and get a copy of "Formulas for Stress and Strain" by R.J. Roark before you inadvertantly build yourself a bomb. I have just

Testing fuel tanks

I'm concerned that there is an impression out there that there exists some standard or traditional test pressure that is correct for all fuel tanks or other pressure vessels (including boilers). Various numbers like 350 psi or 160 psi have been proposed. My recently purchased Accucr

Re: Re[2]: tender gas tanks.

Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004

Re[2]: tender gas tanks.

I have had problems with the water in the tender getting very cold very quickly. In winter I can't run anyway because I've yet to find a G-1 snow plough that can cope with up to 6 feet of snow. But here in the Alps at just over 1000 meters I have had bad weather in August that can match any winte

Re: tender gas tanks.

On 13/1/04 10:28 pm, "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To all interested > > I have noticed over the last few days that a few of us have problems > with tender gas tanks freezing. > > Another alternative is to place a 2nd small gas tank near

tender gas tanks.

To all interested I have noticed over the last few days that a few of us have problems with tender gas tanks freezing. Another alternative is to place a 2nd small gas tank near the boiler, connect the valve to the burner instead of the tender tank. Join the tender tank to the new small tank with

Re: Tanks

Mike: The bottom tank engine looks like a Henchel, sp?, German I believe. They have 2 at the Boothbay Railway museum in Maine. They use them for daily passenger service during the operating season. Hope that helps. Jim

Re: Tanks

What is the engine at the bottom of the page?? Mike Eorgoff -Original Message- From: Sam Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Tanks > >To illustrate the t

Re: Darjeeling tanks & well tanks

Steve, I'm just curious. When you speak of "the library", are you talking about your personal library, or the public library? If it's a public library consider yourself very lucky. My public library's locomotive, train, steam, railroad reference is almost non existant. Later, Trent "Shyvers,

Darjeeling tanks & well tanks

Art, Sam, and the List, The info a couple of weeks back about Darjeeling tanks and loco water tanks sent me back to the library again. I found a very informative discussion of the DHR and its various tank locos in 'Locomotives in Profile', volume 2, by Brian Reed (general editor),

Re: Tanks

To illustrate the types of tank under discussion, some pictures have been posted at

Re: Tanks

At 1:45 PM -0800 11/18/00, Sam Evans wrote: >I will try to find photos of wing tanks and inverted saddle tanks. Does >this list have a site where they could be posted? E-mail them to me personally and I'll put them up. \dmc ^

Re: Tanks

n SG industrials in the latter quarter of 19th century tho it was not a common use of the design in this instance? I believe the Reugen loco portrayed in model form by LGB is a well tank. They are usually distinguishable by having no readily apparent water tanks. I will try to find photos of

Re: Tanks

In a message dated 11/18/00 3:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Not to be confused with an > inverted saddle tank loco!!! That would describe a "well" tank, I guess. I haven't seen many "wing" tank engines... [I almost put a note in the original message saying

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

In a message dated 00-09-12 21:10:36 EDT, you write: Without going into a long description of the procecure of testing SCUBA and other pressure tanks, I can assure you that the established procedures for testing tanks is very safe and the "pucker-factor" is quite low. Hydro

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

All we need is for the government to hire one university student to look for things they have missed. If we are found you can be they will try and regulate us. This happened in the industry I am in, marine in Canada. What a nightmare! They didn't understand what they were doing but they did no

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

Hello Everyone, Although our fuel tanks have the potential to be extremely dangerous, SCUBA tanks are considered a life support item. This in itself induces a lot of goverment restrictions. I don't recommend the following procedure for our steamers but thought it an interesting way to

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

It does not work that way. It's pounds per square inch. If the pressure is 500psi and the surface of the inside of the vessel is 1/2 a square inch it only has 250lbs pushing on it. Plus you have now changed back to butane which we know is allot less pressure than propane. It was propane that

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

No we don't but if people are going to make heir own propane tanks I would change my mind and say yes, before they try them out around me. Dan > > I'm inclined to think that we are doing enough. We don't need any more > regulations and rules to further complica

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

Walt and Lunk, You are a Lunkerforous old gentleman who always hits the nail on the head (probably with your head!!) So--Thankyou!! Lunkle Geoff. PS. According to reports, the Hekemian steamup was fantastic--I am so green with envy--hope we get photos! And my freind Bruce Price did a lot -

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

Considering that butane lighters are made out of plastic, and the cans that butane is sold in are not really high pressure vessels, we do not need to be too concerned. Let's just let this sleeping dog alone. Keep your steam up! Walt & Lunk

Re: dive tanks/hyrda testing

In live steam,most clubs insist on hydra testing boilers for anything larger than gauge 1. I don't know if anyone does them. And since Trent brought up hydra testing of Scuba tanks, how about our Butane/propane tanks? Am I opening a can of worms here? Is it necessary? Or is our s

Re: dive tanks

Hello Everyone, Odd that dive tanks should come up after my recent post. Anyway, it's my understanding that whether it be a steel or an aluminum SCUBA tank, it is cold drawn. Seems like an odd process to use for such an item but I'm sure they have their reasons. Then again I may

Re: Propane Tanks

00 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Propane Tanks > Hi, > You can get DOM tubing -- that is Drawn Over Mandrel. That is seamless and is > also somewhat expensive. DOM is not to be confused with extruded tubing. > Usually aluminum tube and shapes are extruded, but it is also done to a > limited ext

dive tanks

No, I'm not a diver and have no real knowledge of the tanks. Walt

Re: Propane Tanks

In a message dated 9/11/2000 4:31:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I would not think that square steel tubing is pressure > rated at all. We could say this about any of the materials that we are using for all of our pressure vessels. I am using heavy wall square thou

Re: Propane Tanks

Interesting. Walt do you know what process is used to make aluminum diver tanks?They are rated to be filled to 3000 PSI. And for those who don't know, these tanks are not light. Phil.P. Reading,Pa. > Hi, > You can get DOM tubing -- that is Drawn Over Mandrel. That is seam

Re: Propane Tanks

Hi, You can get DOM tubing -- that is Drawn Over Mandrel. That is seamless and is also somewhat expensive. DOM is not to be confused with extruded tubing. Usually aluminum tube and shapes are extruded, but it is also done to a limited extent in other metals. If you want to go to the trouble (e

Re: Propane Tanks

real education. It sounds like the concensus is that > square steel tubing will work for butane tanks given careful fabrication and > testing. It also sounds like propane tanks deserve a lot more careful > analysis of the materials to be used. >

RE: Propane Tanks

y batch to batch for use as a pressurized fuel tank. I am thankful for the experts' input. Their comments have been a real education. It sounds like the concensus is that square steel tubing will work for butane tanks given careful fabrication and testing. It also sounds like propane tanks des

Re: Propane Tanks

Hi, I think one of the main considerations is if there would be any porosity in the weld. Also, when working with brass or other alloys of Copper, work hardening can be a mixed blessing. At my shop we often refuse to accept deep drawn, deep stamped, or "spun" pieces that have some age on them.

Re: Propane Tanks

ay, September 10, 2000 5:18 AM Subject: Re: Propane Tanks > In a message dated 9/10/2000 2:57:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I doubt can you weld mig on a workpiece 3 inches > > long? > I can gas weld it though, with very small tight bead. > Bob > >

Re: Propane Tanks

In a message dated 9/10/2000 2:57:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I doubt can you weld mig on a workpiece 3 inches > long? I can gas weld it though, with very small tight bead. Bob

Propane Tanks

Bob, i think your right that most jet blockages are from residue in soldered tanks, try a small wad of cotton wool in the back of the jet,almost certain cure.. on welded tanks certainly thats how there made in larger sizes whether its feasible in our small sizes I doubt can you weld mig on

Re: Propane/Butane Tanks.

Hi Gordon, Glad that you entered this thread. You make a valid point about flux residue and I would suppose that holds true for any kind of tank though. It is one of the reasons that I considered welding the tank together. What is your consensus of a welded tank? I really consider that most

Propane/Butane Tanks.

Following this thread with interest. Two points to consider, CMynhier designs Propane tanks for use at remote locations from boiler heat. Most commercial designs carry the gas tank close to boiler to obtain some warmth to ensure Butane vapour pressure. The filler valve issue is also valid. I

Re: Butane/Propane Tanks

to have any sort of regulator on it. I am not sure that a mini-regulator, if there is such a critter available, would be required. The problem is the tanks withstanding the increased pressure.

Re: Butane/Propane Tanks

How much would a mini regulator cost to reduce the pressure so it would work in the burner?

Re: Butane/Propane Tanks

Truthfully IMHO, I think that the tanks are safe enough for the propane mix. I can only think that the manufacturers are playing safe at this time for their own protection. There are so many people suing each other for some of the silliest things. Most of us don't read the instru

Butane/Propane Tanks

Since in the US we have higher availability of Propane than Butane, shouldn't we start asking manufacturers to provide Propane rated tanks? MikeE

Re: gas tanks

Hi, folks, Mike Martin wrote me the following note, kindly offering to share a very nice 3-D rendering of a gas tank design virtually identical to the one I posted earlier, but using _two_ copper pipe caps. Thanks, Mike! (And, very nice drawing!) It's on my site as